Shadowfax (US/ Crossover Prog)
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Topic: Shadowfax (US/ Crossover Prog)
Posted By: The Runaway
Subject: Shadowfax (US/ Crossover Prog)
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 16:02
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Shadowfax is an American band formed in 1972 by flautist Chuck Greenberg. There is a lot to read on their wikipedia page, and if that's not enough, I will link more as soon as I get up in the morning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowfax_%28band%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowfax_%28band%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowfax_%28band - Shadowdance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AMyjWL81_c&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AMyjWL81_c&feature=related
A Pausa in the Rain - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td1D3hQyGUs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td1D3hQyGUs
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 17:06
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^ link busted - use this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowfax_%28band - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowfax_(band ) ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 02:13
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Fixed. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 02:23
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^ Stll busted, try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowfax_%28band%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowfax_%28band%29
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 02:35
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Fixed #2. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 02:41
a little redundant, but hey-ho.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 02:45
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Heh.
http://www.playlist.com/searchbeta/tracks#shadowfax - http://www.playlist.com/searchbeta/tracks#shadowfax
Tracks 1 and 3 are the only tracks I know are really Shadowfax, so you migth wanna check that out. Also, most of theire good stuff (Watercourse Way era) isn't on youtube and playlist and things. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 21:38
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I've known this band since their first debut album in the late '70's. Not a good fit for crossover but excellent for symphonic. (Strictly talking about Watercourse Way, somewhat  .)Their first album is one of those overlooked masterpieces of progressive music.. They went off the radar screen for a while but reappeared with an album on the Windham Hill label a short few years later. They redid a few tracks from the original, quite well, I might add. I've still got the LPs (vinyls for some if that's the term you know, they were called records back then). The album cover on the original was excellent, though the last time I tried to dig it up, it wasn't available on the internet. This was their most hard hitting one I've heard so far. Excellent mellow music on Watercourse Way and their Windham Way albums, occasionally in the earlier stuff but that was the focus of the latter. But back to the music for the original, it's an obscure gem. The later stuff much less so impressive, but excellent mellow music that doesn't fit perfectly into the mold of '80's new age music even though they re=did a few track from WW. Chuck Greenberg, I think died a while ago, and then the band was retired, so to speak. I still haven't tried or found much of their later music. I'll admit I haven't been looking too hard for it. They seemed to be headed back in a more progressive direction with Dreams Of Children, but that was the point where I quit following them. Still on my agenda to explore the rest. Footnote: Watercourse Way was re-released by Windham Hill in CD and LP format without the original cover art, sadly WW was not released with the original art, but the the WH standard format art at the time. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 02:15
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Greenberg died in 1990, RIP. I put them on Crossover as I thought it was sort of New-Age, and because they sort of followed the New-Age format like Oldfield, which is classed as Crossover, I put them in Crossover. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 02:26
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Any New Age albums listed in the PA are only here because the band/artist also did 100% Prog albums. If Shadowfax only did New Age albums then the band will not be listed; if the first album is Progressive Rock then they have a chance of being added. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 02:28
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New Age IS prog rock. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 02:31
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This cover Brian? http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/shadowfax/watercourse_way/">  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 02:36
...nearly, but not on this site.
While New Age has simularities with Progressive Rock, it is a seperate genre of music and is generally simpler and less "dynamic" (for want of a better word) - put frankly - it doesn't "Rock". While I agree that some New Age artists were really Prog artists that were tagged as New Age for pure commercial reasons (eg Stephen Caudell) and some Prog artists produced New Age music (eg Rick Wakemen) most New Age artists set out to make New Age music. ------------- What? |
Blowin Free wrote:Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 02:47
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Watercourse Way is in the styling of Tubular Bells. Both are new age, both rock. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 03:59
I hope not ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:01
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Shadowfax has been firmly placed in my record colelction's jazz fusion section since the late 70's, and even the Indo jazz fusion sub-section. Beware if they are included you may find them in the jazz Rock Fusion section of PA. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:04
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I wouldn't say Indo, but I agree, they can realyl get into the Jazz-fusion section. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:07
I won't say every track is Indo, but at times I feel Shadowfax is in a similar area to Oregon musically. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:09
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Atleast not on Watercourse Way. I heard some Indo influences here and there but I didn't really think of it as an Indo album. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:09
Ah, you found it.  The first album has some elements that good new age music may have borrowed from. If new age = boring crap, you will find nothing of the sort on their debut. Dick's absolutely right, the first one is a good fit for JRF and the ones that I am familiar with do have some similarities to Oregon. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:11
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Oh, that cover is amazing. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:22
By the way, I was looking at what's available on half.com:
Notice which album commands the highest price. It's a damn shame these guy's discography are now out of print. |
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:38
Looks like we are influenced by which album we heard first wrt Shadowfax. This was mine:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000000NFQ/sr=1-3/qid=1248340729/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music&qid=1248340729&sr=1-3">
 and with the opening number New Electric India , a scene/viewpoint was set in my mind. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:38
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Those are with sale, list prices go from 10 to 16 dollars (excluding Watercourse) ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:44
The outrageously high high prices asked for some of these are a bit amusing. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:45
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True, but they're obscure rare prog gems. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:47
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Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:54
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Correctly, I remember their discography, and if I'm not wrong, Dreams of Children is 1984. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 05:21
I dunno, maybe they actually did squeeze out one remaster before Greenburg was lost to us. Anyway, the original Watercourse Way cover, only bigger:
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/shadowfax/watercourse_way/buy">
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/shadowfax/watercourse_way/buy - Reminds me of some Ozric Tentacle album cover art, which of course came later. A random thought that just occurred to me, how much did the term Art Rock come in to common usage back the due to the really cool album cover art? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 05:33
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I don't see it, and i'm pretty sure Greenberg died in 1990. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 05:44
Nah - fairly sure it was Pete Townshend who first use the term and he was refering to bands that were formed by students at Art schools and colleges (he himself went to Ealing Art College). ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 05:56
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Poor kid... ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 06:34
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I agree about Watercourse Way. It definitely belongs here. The rest, I'm not so sure.
Dean wrote "if the first album is Progressive Rock then they have a chance of being added."
If having one prog album allows you in, that opens the flood gates for all of those jazz artists who made at least one good fusion album. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 06:40
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I highly doubt that. There are a lot of fusion bands that: A) Did not have a first album which was proggy/fusiony enough
B) Would be called flooders and will be either removed from the site or their requests will be removed ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 07:13
We are aware of that and that is why I said "...a chance of being added" and not "...will be added".
 If the non-Prog contribution far outweights the one Prog album then it is very likely that they would be added to Prog Related rather than a full Prog category.
When it comes to Jazz fusion, the "fusion" still has to be "Prog"
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A) is irrelevant then.
B) No - that's why we have Genre teams and an evaluation process - no one can flood our system since only a select few are allowed to add bands. Also the rule is once a band is added their full discography must be listed - with no exceptions - so if we accept a band because of one Prog album then we expect all the non-prog albums to be listed. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 07:33
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They are still prog *Hmph*. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 07:48
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 07:49
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GEPR: "Their first album Watercourse Way was a stunning mixture of blistering guitar driven jazz-rock http://www.gepr.net/genre2.html#FUSION - fusion , cerebral piano acoustics and powerful dynamics. Shadowfax, at the time, appeared to be one of the most promising new bands around. Unfortunately it took them seven years to do their next album, and in the meantime they'd squandered their brilliance, as the new stuff (and all albums since) was merely warmed-up new-age world music that couldn't cut through soft butter. " ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 07:56
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I wouldn't call it that... ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 08:01
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It is just someone's opinion. *shrug* ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 09:58
It showed when I posted, but now its crap.  |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 10:23
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"crap"... ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:23
Dean's cover posting is still working. What's his secret? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:26
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:26
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What size is "small"? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:30
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about as big as your thumbnail. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:46
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around 150x150? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:47
And that's all dependent on how close you hold your thumbnail to your face... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:04
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while I'm struggling to see the significance of this, or why you can't just go to rateyourmusic and find out for yourself, it's this big:
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/shadowfax/watercourse_way/">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:07
| It has nice detail to it, you'd have to see the LP. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 13:40
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I saw the LP, touching lol. Slarti, how many LPs do you have there and how many years did they take? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 24 2009 at 07:15
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You know I've never actually inventoried them but as far as the prog ones I started with a couple of Wakeman's sometime in the '70's maybe '76 or '77. Stopped sometime in the early '90's or late '80's and exclusively with CDs. I'm still pretty much an exclusively CD and DVD guy these days. Still can't get into paying for just a download. Need something tangible. Back to Shadowfax, Dean have you heard any tracks off the first one? I found some streaming here: http://www.last.fm/music/Shadowfax/+charts?rangetype=week&subtype=tracks - http://www.last.fm/music/Shadowfax/+charts?rangetype=week&subtype=tracks I'll get back to you on the one's you should try. Gotta get ready for work. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 24 2009 at 08:33
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^ They are only 30 second samples, but I think I've heard enough - I think we should retire to the http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41688&PID=3321010#3321010 - Batcave to discuss this further... ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 24 2009 at 09:47
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I cannot! I must become a collaborator! MUST. WRITE. REVIEWS. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 09:15
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I ordered up a used copy of Too Far To Whisper. Just noticed that Windows Media Player categorizes all their albums as jazz, go figure. I think they were headed back into prog rock territory with The Dreams Of Children. This one seems headed more back into new-agey territory.
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 09:38
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Ya bumping beh good dohg! So how is the process? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 10:10
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We'll let you know when we are ready.
...perhaps. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 06:16
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And if not? My body will rot! ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 10:06
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One day it's alive and the next it's as dead as bubble wrap. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 10:08
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The answer my friend is blowin in the wind.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 10:10
Hey, why not poke it next week and see if it's reanimated itself.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 10:51
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 11:59
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Then there's also, "the answer my friends is blow your congressman"...
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 12:09
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I'm guessing that won't do you no good, would it? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 13:24
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BUMP? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 13:26
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Lock? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 14:04
| Plook? |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 14:06
| Frock? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 14:08
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^ that would be Crossdressing ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 17:56
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"And maybe later you'll plook me." Frank Zappa Joe's Garage |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 07:53
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Smartest and wittiest quote ever ^^. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 05:30
| Finaly someone put Shadow Fax in discussion. To me is to cross or related, I'm for yes , great band. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 07:00
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Shadowfax have been approved for Crossover - they are at the bottom of a long list of additions so please be even more patient than normal. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 07:01
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Aw, man, I was wanting to make it a surprise.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 07:15
 it still will be Brian ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:04
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No it won't, I'll look them up every 5 minutes. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:15
^ everyone needs a hobby.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 13:21
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Okay, I helped Slarti with writing the bio, can't wait to see them up! Do I like, get credit on the band page or something? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |