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Topic: The Kevin Gilbert Appreciation Thread
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Subject: The Kevin Gilbert Appreciation Thread
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 22:10
There are so many appreciation threads in this forum section I feel it's time to make one to discuss one of the most underappreciated musical geniuses in music,Kevin Gilbert.
 
Let's discuss his life,music and his legacy.
 
His estate has promised two "singer/songwriter" albums of unreleased material and a live Toy Matinee album due out this summer.Given the fact that he doesn't have a huge wealth of recorded material I am very excited about this.


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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: July 24 2009 at 07:22
I really like what I've heard from him and frankly would have liked to hear what "Calling All Stations" would have sounded like with him rather than Ray Wilson.  I don't mean that as a knock on WIlson, I think Ray did a great job with what he was given.  My understanding is that Mr. Wilson did not get a lot of respect from Misters Banks and Rutheford.  Had Kevin Gilbert been around as they had originally planned, maybe the cd and the environment itself would have been better, and Gilbert would have added more to the writing process.

I did see that Nick DiVirgilio was putting together a live show for 'The Shaming of the True" which should be fun to see.


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 24 2009 at 11:21
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

There are so many appreciation threads in this forum section I feel it's time to make one to discuss one of the most underappreciated musical geniuses in music,Kevin Gilbert.
 
Let's discuss his life,music and his legacy.
 
His estate has promised two "singer/songwriter" albums of unreleased material and a live Toy Matinee album due out this summer.Given the fact that he doesn't have a huge wealth of recorded material I am very excited about this.
 
I'm sure the was a thread up to over year ago, but I suspect with the increasing non-availability of many of Gilbert's  albums, those without any recordings and hopefully turned on by our enthusiasm were disappointed when they could not buy any. Hence correspondence dried up - BTW I noticed very few people have listed The Shaming Of The True in the recent listings of 90's albums - why? An even earlier thread existed some 3 or 4 years ago and originally alerted me to Gilbert's talent's,  and I was able to pick up Thud cheaply from Amazon.Uk (and surprised to also receive unexpectedly the bonus ep in the same package), bought 3 albums from the offical website run by the Kevin Gilbert estates, including the essential The Shaming Of The True, (also the less essential, quite 80's sounding  Giraffe compilation) and  then spotted the 5.1 format disc of Toy Matinee at Amazon.UK dirt cheap. (Also an excellent quality  live boot of Toy Matinee live at the Troubadour has appeared in the last year).  I don't think any of the legit albums have been available for the last year. However, I believe Shaming has been recently re-pressed for further sales and Toy Matinee is available again (according to correspondents at Prog Ears). Rumours have it there are whole albums of Gilbert and Giraffe doing covers of Genesis - snippets of which can be heard on one of the Progfest albums released by Musea some years back.


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 24 2009 at 11:29
Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:



I did see that Nick DiVirgilio was putting together a live show for 'The Shaming of the True" which should be fun to see.
 
Apparently a few shows in CA last summer with Mike Keneally's involvement too - where there any video recordings of rehearsals at  the Kevin Gilbert Estates website. Alas I'm not a fan of Nick D'Virglio's voice - one reason I gave a copy of Shrew to Jakko Jakscyk (when his The Bruised Romantic Glee Club was originally issued - another reason:  both musicians have recorded personal music) and asked him what he thought and whether he would consider doing any covers. Jakko's response was not to do covers but thought it was inspirational enough perhaps to have a go at a concept album......I'll wait and see.


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 24 2009 at 11:54
I can't wait. One of my favorite musicians to walk the face of the earth.

"The Shaming of the True" cracks my top 10 albums ever released.


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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 14:27
I saw Nick's Rewiring Genesis show the other night and I am a fan of his voice.  The man sings with passion and is very expressive on stage. Not only that but this entire arrangement of the Lamb was so fresh it made me smile quite a bit. Very fresh rendition
 
Anyway back on topic: During the intermissions between the Lamb and Spock's Beard they played film from that 1994 ProgFest show.  Giraffe, I guess, played selections from the Lamb with Kevin in full costume Ala Gabriel.  Then it was the last part of Watcher of the Skies and then the Musical Box with a young Nick on drums. This video of them was absolutely brilliant.  I have to agree Calling all Stations would have been so different (meaning better) with Kevin on it. BTW Nick did the entire Shaming of the True at ProgFest 2000.
 


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 14:50
I am fortunate enough to have Giraffe's entire 94 live performance of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway on video and cd.Truly magical,Kevin really got into it and his performance that night was stunning.Genesis would have been so much better with him in the group.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 13:49
I have the CD of Giraffe playing the Lamb Live, but not the DVD. Does anyone know where I can find more Giraffe's albums?

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 14:43
The 2 individual albums are nearly impossible to find.But the Giraffe compilation cd I was able to purchase from KG's official site.

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Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 21:36
I only own "The Shaming of the True", "Thud" and "The Kaviar Sessions" albums, related to KG. Enogh for me to quialify him as one of my favorite artists ever. However, I would really like to find more material related to him, but couldn't by now Cry

As far as I know, there's no (legal) way to get any Giraffes album... Not even from the man's site... Or am I wrong?


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Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 21:37
Oh, "The Shaming of the True" has been my favorite album for about 4 years Embarrassed

That explains my avatar Smile


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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:30
Just heard about Kevin Gilbert, want to give his music a try.
Anyone have opinions on where I should start? judging on people's comment,s the shaming of the true might be a good first option, no?


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:47
Shaming of the True or Thud are good albums to start with.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 08:11
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

The 2 individual albums are nearly impossible to find.But the Giraffe compilation cd I was able to purchase from KG's official site.


Just out of curiosity, do you have those two albums, Jody?


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 07:38
NEW KEVIN GILBERT ALBUMS COMING OUT THIS MONTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
http://www.kevingilbert.com/kgnews.htm - http://www.kevingilbert.com/kgnews.htm
 
 


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 08:53
I am extremely excited about the Nuts & Bolts cd's,but man oh man I want that Thud Live dvd/cd.There isn't really a lot of good video of Kevin performing.

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Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 10:06
^ These are really exiting news Smile

Really never imagined more unleashed material from the man, and a live DVD, WOW! now that's amazing!

Just counting the days until mid september Big smile


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 16:07
There are now two releases ( the other being TA) I am anticipating so much that I actually have it written down!LOL

Seriously guys, this is a prog year to go down in history. An excellent year with MANY surprisesClap


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 07:12
*bumpage*
 
The new albums and dvd are now available to order.Big smile


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 08:15
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Shaming of the True or Thud are good albums to start with.
 
Agree. Also agree these are increasing elusive unless you want to shell out silly money to obtain them. Picked Thud up at Amazon.UK  very cheaply  3 years ago (and was surprised to open the envelope and discover a live ep with Kashmir included taped to the CD box) but now see "unobtainable" or a high price second hand there. Also got Toy Matinee very cheap from Amazon, but  was dismayed to find I had bought the surround sound version, not playable on a conventional CD player. Bought The Shaming Of The true from via the Kevin Gilbert Estates site also 3 years ago, but see this became unavailable for over a year - although I did read more pressings were being made  and now should be available again. I, in part suspect the KG Estates are slow at responding to demand for Gilbert recordings - I suggest their released  Thud live  recently, to counter a bootlegger  offering off-the desk recordings of same for nothing  and doing this from early spring 2009.


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 14:27
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

*bumpage*
 
The new albums and dvd are now available to order.Big smile


If only I didn't get the deluxe edition of the new Transatlantic I would have that ordered alreadyCry


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 14:56
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Shaming of the True or Thud are good albums to start with.
 
Agree. Also agree these are increasing elusive unless you want to shell out silly money to obtain them. Picked Thud up at Amazon.UK  very cheaply  3 years ago (and was surprised to open the envelope and discover a live ep with Kashmir included taped to the CD box) but now see "unobtainable" or a high price second hand there. Also got Toy Matinee very cheap from Amazon, but  was dismayed to find I had bought the surround sound version, not playable on a conventional CD player. Bought The Shaming Of The true from via the Kevin Gilbert Estates site also 3 years ago, but see this became unavailable for over a year - although I did read more pressings were being made  and now should be available again. I, in part suspect the KG Estates are slow at responding to demand for Gilbert recordings - I suggest their released  Thud live  recently, to counter a bootlegger  offering off-the desk recordings of same for nothing  and doing this from early spring 2009.
 
I hear you Dick.I was lucky enough to pick up Kevin's cd's a few years ago at really decent prices.
 
Regarding The Shaming of the True,it is being remastered and will be re-issued soon.


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 16:15
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Shaming of the True or Thud are good albums to start with.
 
Agree. Also agree these are increasing elusive unless you want to shell out silly money to obtain them. Picked Thud up at Amazon.UK  very cheaply  3 years ago (and was surprised to open the envelope and discover a live ep with Kashmir included taped to the CD box) but now see "unobtainable" or a high price second hand there. Also got Toy Matinee very cheap from Amazon, but  was dismayed to find I had bought the surround sound version, not playable on a conventional CD player. Bought The Shaming Of The true from via the Kevin Gilbert Estates site also 3 years ago, but see this became unavailable for over a year - although I did read more pressings were being made  and now should be available again. I, in part suspect the KG Estates are slow at responding to demand for Gilbert recordings - I suggest their released  Thud live  recently, to counter a bootlegger  offering off-the desk recordings of same for nothing  and doing this from early spring 2009.
 
I hear you Dick.I was lucky enough to pick up Kevin's cd's a few years ago at really decent prices.
 
Regarding The Shaming of the True,it is being remastered and will be re-issued soon.


That's kind of almost odd. I thought the original packaging was great, and the production quality was almost as good as can be. I'm doing some more research to see if it's worth buying...

-Jeff


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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 18:48
Shaming of the True is now the most listened album on my ipod.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 18:50
Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Shaming of the True is now the most listened album on my ipod.


Good work comradeWinkThumbs Up


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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 19:36
Suite Fugue is PURE beauty Approve

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 19:48
Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Suite Fugue is PURE beauty Approve


You have an opinion on the rest of the album, Gabriel?


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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 19:53
^ Excellent as well. But not comparable to this one. It's just perfect. Really GG influenced, in my opinion, but with a more modern touch. Certifiable #1 Smash, City of the Sun, Staring Into Nothing and Best Laid Plans are my favorites.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 19:56
Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

^ Excellent as well. But not comparable to this one. It's just perfect. Really GG influenced, in my opinion, but with a more modern touch. Certifiable #1 Smash, City of the Sun, Staring Into Nothing and Best Laid Plans are my favorites.


One of the things I love about Shaming is the way it's prog without really trying to be prog. It just is filled with beautiful melodies, and little oddities that make it more than a mainstream album. One of the reasons why it is easily in my top 10 albums of all time is the simple reprise of the first song in the ending. I think it gives a nice book-end feeling to the album, and I always want to hear the album again.


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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 20:02

Jeff says: I've been listening to this album for the 19th time



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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 20:03
Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Jeff says: I've been listening to this album for the 19th time



Oh that's another call, can I call you back John?


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Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 20:40
Can anyone explain in more detail what happened in his personal life? All I can find on the internet is very "censored" information. What happened with him and Sheryl Crow? Why did he kill himself? etc...

His music is magic... I own The Shaming of the True, and the 94' ProgFest video...

I almost cry every time I realize that he was shortlisted to be the new Genesis singer, but his manager found him dead when he was going to deliver the news :(


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 13:30
Here's a good article that explains the whole Gilbert/Crow relationship.Needless to say she really f**ked Kevin over,and I cannot stand the woman to this day.
 
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.01.96/gilbert-obit-9631.html - http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.01.96/gilbert-obit-9631.html
 
Kevin did not kill himself,he was found dead on bed at his home,wearing some fetish gear with a belt looped around his neck and the other end secured to the headboard.The official cause of death is "accidental suicide" but he was really a victim of auto-erotic asphyxiation.I consider that the most tragic part of his life,that his death was so unecessary.


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 14:27
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Here's a good article that explains the whole Gilbert/Crow relationship.Needless to say she really f**ked Kevin over,and I cannot stand the woman to this day.
 
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.01.96/gilbert-obit-9631.html - http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.01.96/gilbert-obit-9631.html
 
Kevin did not kill himself,he was found dead on bed at his home,wearing some fetish gear with a belt looped around his neck and the other end secured to the headboard.The official cause of death is "accidental suicide" but he was really a victim of auto-erotic asphyxiation.I consider that the most tragic part of his life,that his death was so unecessary.


Wow, thanks for posting that, Jody. I just knew he died of an asphyxiation, but I didn't know any of the details.


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 16:39
The details aren't nice,but that is how he died,there is no ignoring that fact.A lot of his fans don't like to talk about the circumstances of his death.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 16:42
I do have a lesser opinion of Sheryl Crow now...

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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: December 28 2009 at 13:12
*bump*

So for Christmas this year, I received the "Toy Matinee" CD, I've only listened to it a few times so far but wow, what a great group of songs.  I wouldn't refer to the CD as prog, but there are several stand out songs and the whole CD is a good listen.

"The Ballad of Jenny Ledge" and "Last Plane Out" both really stick in my head.  I think "Thud" has just jumped to the top of my birthday list.

The more I hear of his work, the more I'm saddened by his death.


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