Michael Vick reinstated
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Topic: Michael Vick reinstated
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Subject: Michael Vick reinstated
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:41
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IMO, this man has no place in the NFL. It send the wrong message to children.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 12:03
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Vick has no place anywhere... but in a cage being forced to fight someone bigger and with ugly fangs... so he can learn to not play with any living creatures... ------------- 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 12:05
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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. In theory. But since others have been reinstated, sometimes involving crimes like murder or manslaughter....I guess the NFL really doesn't have much of a choice. That being said, I am sick of celebrities getting off free. How many times do they spend the night in jail and then gone. And in this case, if any of us were caught doing the same thing we probably would have had more than 18 months in jail, and we might get a job eventually...but not playing football. Hopefully no team will take that scumbag...a lot of people don't seem to "get" it or think "theyre just dogs" Itd be like taking a baby and raising them to be soul less killers, then betting on the teens in fights to the death. Not to mention Vick RAN this operation and did take part in the killings and torture of the dogs. f*cking disgusting. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 12:13
Sure they do. They're not required to be consistent. |
JJLehto wrote:Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 12:33
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Although I don't agree with what he did, and I don't know whether or not 2 years served in jail was a fair sentence or not for it, but like what the IRS does, Vick was used as a big name celebrity by the government to send a message. I certainly don't have first hand knowledge, but in my reading of some articles, apparently dog fighting is a large part of the culture amongst people who live in that area, as well as amongst other players in the NFL. Hopefully, the message has been received, and will be continued to be sent and received if he is picked up by an NFL team. One can only hope that he is truly remorseful, and that he will change his life around, and that he is not only saying these things because his agent tells him too. ------------- 
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 14:04
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The team that does take him is going to lose alot of popularity and respect.. But with a minimum tender offer like $150K would be a little funny, considering he was the highest paid player in the league.
Raiders?
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 14:08
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Well, personally, I've always thought sports were a big joke anyway, and as was mentioned earlier, people who have done far worse have been reinstated before. I personally don't think he deserves a damn thing, but the NFL is just as corrupt as any other organization, so I'm not at all surprised. It may not be morally right, but it was expected. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 14:13
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 14:24
| Only after being first attacked by dogs. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 14:31
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At first I thought 100% a team would take him. I mean a team (usually the cowboys or pats) will ALWAYS take a thug. But so far there is NO interest. Maybe the owners will actually put something besides winning first..or at least they realize the backlash that will occur. Besides, Vick deserves more time than he's gotten but AT LEAST he didn't get off clean. His career is done, BEST he can get is a back up or playing in the wildcat, his mega fortune and face of the NFL is all gone. And honestly, if he ever gets to play I hope someone steps on his ankle. As for the NFL not having to be consistent. Again, what Vick did is f*cking disgusting he should NEVER be reinstated.....but others have. And not just for minor crimes. Doesn't matter. Vick is for all intents and purposes, done with his career. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 23:19
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 10:18
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Morals have no place in professional sports. Steroids in baseball, the Michael Vick case, and many other professional leagues seem to be quick to overlook criminal activity aside from a brief suspension. I wonder how many lifelong bans have been handed out to these spoiled athletes? For baseball: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_figures_who_have_been_banned_for_life - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_figures_who_have_been_banned_for_life I'll admit that I like the occasional fight in hockey, but the game could do without it. Here's a history of other violence in hockey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_ice_hockey - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_ice_hockey |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 23:02
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Frankly, I find it difficult to muster up moral outrage over steroids. If you could take a drug--which was legal and not banned by your employer--that would help ensure your job security and raise your pay, with only limited side effects, wouldn't you take it?
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 23:18
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I hate dogfighting and people that take part in it ought to have their balls put into a grinder.
But....
The man was punished for it and served his time,and he has the right to play now if a team wants him.Have you guys seen the conditions Goodell is making him meet?Absolutely ridiculous!!!!
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9861576/Vick-reinstated,-but-not-free-under-Goodell - http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9861576/Vick-reinstated,-but-not-free-under-Goodell
I almost bet money that Dan Snyder will take him,if no other teams show interest Vick will be playing in the UFL. -------------  |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 23:21
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Look at all the players that have been in serious trouble and are still playing.Even Ray Lewis of my beloved Ravens was involved in a murder case,and that man is 100% guaranteed to go into the Hall of Fame.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 23:46
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I have no idea who this guy is and what he done.I'll wiki it and be back.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 23:49
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wow that's alot on his wikipedia page.Certainly a controversial figure then?
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 00:00
| ^ Yeah, he's a real prick if you ask me. But most sportsmen are, so . . . |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 00:28
Exactly. There are those who will say "f*ck fairness! What he did is inexcusable!" But so many NFL players have done inexcusable things. I totally forgot about Ray Lewis myself. I LOVE animals, (hell I cant even watch the sad animal commercials on TV). But considering players have been reinstated after shootings, even murders.....and many of them not even serving as much as Vick has. He has lost his fortune, and his name. He is a disgusting man, but has paid his debt. We talk about giving second chances don't we? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 13:04
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The guy paid his debt to society let him play. I swear people never talk about Ray Lewis or Pac Man Jones, but Vick hurts a few dogs and people go haywaire. Where's the justice? Dante Stallworth is serving a month in jail due to manslaughter, compared to Vick's year long sentence if I remember right? People need to get their priorities straight. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 22:31
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Hey, if Ray Lewis gets to help out with a double homocide and not miss a day of work I don't see why Vick can't come back (aside from the fact he's a very poor quarterback) as he's actually paid his debt to society -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 23:03
wow, someone got beaten up as a kid and never got over it.
by the way, I'd argue most family guy lovers are pricks and most tool fans are tools
 you know, its been somewhat funny to see what animals can do to people. here, on this very poll, some of progarchives most well noted peace and love liberals are advocating mauling by dogs as a criminal punishment. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 23:55
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Some one told me the other day the Steeler's and Patriots were looking at maybe signing him. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 02:22
Both have vehemently denied it,particularly Pats owner Robert Kraft.
Now the rumor is that the Packers are interested. ------------- |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 02:24
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Think we'll go through all the teams till a team doesn't deny it.. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 02:29
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When he was conditionally reinstated more than 2 dozen teams stated outright that they wouldn't touch him,so that leaves 8 to deal with all the rumors. ------------- |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 09:44
All it will take is for one team to give him a chance, then they all will hop on board.
 I sincerely hope no one picks him up. The NFL needs to get some integrity back. -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 10:21
Like I said previously,if no team in the NFL signs him he'll probably play in the fledgling UFL. ------------- |
Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 11:15
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If he was an accountant, would you let him go back and get a job in accounting after doing his time? Why does the job of pro athlete have to treated differently from any other walk of life? He screwed up and did a lot of bad things. We will see if he truly regrets these actions and stays on the straight and narrow. But to deny him his livelihood on top of doing prison time seems punitive to me. And if he does get a team to take a chance on him, he will be further vilified by a portion of that team's fans and every visiting stadium he goes to as well as getting intense media scrutiny along the way. Another NFL job is not going to be a panacea for him anytime soon. And I bet if you were one of his creditors, you would be hoping like hell that he got back in the league, no matter what his past sins were. ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: dante89
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 16:54
| Michael Vick is a criminal and should not be playing again. If he had a "normal" job, he would not be rehired. It makes me so mad. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 17:19
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What about Donte Stallworth?
The guy KILLED a man while driving drunk.I don't see too many people complaining about that.He served 24 DAYS in jail. ------------- |
Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 18:21
I'm kind of surprised it took so many posts for this point to be made. Do I think he should have been handed a harsher punishment by the court? Yes. Unfortunately he got off pretty easily. It would be awful PR for any team that did take him so I doubt anyone will. Honestly I wouldn't be opposed to it if the Browns took him (we need all the help we can get) plus there is the irony that we have a section of the crowd labeled the "Dog Pound." As for celebrities getting preferential treatment, there is no denying that. It should stop and if you don't believe that then you are a loon. ------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 22:58
He is not the first NFL player to get away with that type of murder. -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 23:06
It just pisses me off that so many people are ready to put Vick's head on a stick for dogfighting charges,which he went to jail for for 2 years,but Stallworth killed a guy driving drunk and no one says squat.He was sentenced to 30 days in jail,1,000 hours of community service,2 years of house arrest and 8 years of probation.He is suspended indefinitely from the NFL though.
It just seems like human life has been devalued,and that makes me sad.I saw enough of that in my time in the Army(especially in Somalia),but it never fails to shock,sadden and anger me. ------------- |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 23:36
I am about ready to ditch following the NFL. A small boycott on my part would be meaningless, but I'll be able to sleep at night easier knowing I am not supporting a system that, as you say, devalues human life. Such a shame. -------------
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 23:44
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^^ He should've gotten 15 years .. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 08 2009 at 19:11
Dany Heatley killed a teammate by being a complete idiot, with hardly any help from alcohol, and yet he was right back in lineup as soon as his own injuries were healed. In fact, he got right back to making NHL all star teams without anyone blinking an eye. I'm truely sickened everytime I see him take the ice but it seems like I'm in the minority somehow. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 08 2009 at 19:34
You're not in the minority.I am a huge hockey fan and any time I see Heatley play it sickens me. ------------- |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 11:39
What?!? I hadn't heard about this. Got a link? (Huge hockey fan here too.) -------------
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 16:32
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Speaking of athletes in trouble: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/hockey/nhl/08/10/kane.robbery.charge/index.html - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/hockey/nhl/08/10/kane.robbery.charge/index.html I'm not calling him guilty already, but this story is just too bizarre to ignore. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 17:27
I cut and pasted this from Wiki:
On September 29, 2003, Heatley was seriously injured after he lost control of the /wiki/Ferrari_360_Modena - Ferrari 360 Modena he was driving. The car struck a wall, splitting the car in half and ejecting him and his passenger, teammate /wiki/Dan_Snyder - Dan Snyder . Heatley suffered a broken jaw, a minor /wiki/Concussion - concussion , a bruised lung, bruised kidney, and tore three ligaments in his right knee; Snyder was critically injured with a /wiki/Skull_fracture - skull fracture and died six days later on October 5 of /wiki/Sepsis - sepsis . Heatley was charged with /wiki/Vehicular_homicide - vehicular homicide ; he pleaded guilty to second-degree vehicular homicide, driving too fast for conditions, failure to maintain a lane, and speeding. He admitted to drinking some prior to the incident, but his /wiki/Blood-alcohol_content - blood-alcohol content was below the legal limit. He was sentenced to three years /wiki/Probation - probation , and the judge, /wiki/Rowland_W._Barnes - Rowland W. Barnes , required the court to approve Heatley's vehicle, which could not have more than six cylinders and would not surpass 70mph (112 km/h). #cite_note-4 - [5] Heatley avoided having to go to trial as part of a plea deal that dropped the first-degree charge of vehicular homicide. #cite_note-trade-5 - [6]
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 18:58
And currently Heatley is demanding a trade out of Ottawa when he's lucky to be playing at all. 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 06:53
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 20:09
| 2 year deal with PHI no details of the contract yet... |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 20:52
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$1.6m for the first year, $5m option for the second. I am not happy about this. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:11
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Why not? You guys have a very talented backup for McNabb.
I am just wondering how the notorious Philly fans will react to this news. ------------- |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:13
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So, my brother just told me Vick was picked up by the Eagles ..He's not so happy about that  That is a surprise. I REALLY thought he was going to a worse team. I actually am hoping for McNabb to stay healthy for once...and if Vick DOES play I hope someone steps on his leg. Better if it was done by someone on the Giants. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:15
This will be all I hear about for the whole season - and yet another quarterback controversy will probably rear its ugly head at some point. The Eagles aren't really my team anyways, but I'm obviously exposed to all the local media. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:17
Remember when my boys the Ravens tore his leg up in a preseason game and he missed 11 games of the regular season?
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:24
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I really would not be upset if some one did. Don't want the guy messed up, but I would not be too heart broken if he had to miss another year.... And I'm not saying I want someone on the Giants to do it...but again, I wouldn't mind Seriously, someone out there has to be a dog lover, (or just have a strong conscious) and will do it... |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:34
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Although, I guess the worst part is...this IS entertainment. IF Vick does play at all, and manages to do good, well...I'm sure SOME Eagles fan will let it go. After all, I will admit...I'm pretty hard on celebrities getting special treatment, yet I was ecstatic when I heard Antonio Pierce would not get in any trouble for the Plaxico incident.....   I guess Vick DID serve his time...he's lost everything he had. His career is more or less down the tubes unless he REALLY turns out great. It's sickening what he did, but I guess there is a precedent for players in trouble getting back in the league. And Vick has served more time than most... |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:47
| Yeah, I used to live in the Phi area, I'd love to hear what they are saying on 620 AM right now.. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:51
610 you mean? It will be pretty much the ONLY topic tomorrow. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 22:08
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That's why I am surprised. Any owner with a brain (though we wonder sometimes) could only imagine the PR onslaught. Especially in a big city... Why the Eagles??? I really thought for sure the Cowboys or Pats would take him |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 22:32
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Yeah, will be interesting how the fans will react in general, they can surprise you sometimes .. they very well may embrace him. More importantly I hope McNabb becomes available and Tampa signs him. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 22:56
The Eagles stated they never considered Vick until Kolb sustained an injury,then they became interested in signing him to back McNabb up. ------------- |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 22:59
Does make sense...especially with McNabb you need a capable back up for him. Vick has not been too capable in the past, and he may be athletic still...but I doubt he improved on his passing in Jail. But hey, run the spread option? |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 23:18
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Let him play, he's made and lost more $ than most of us will ever see in a lifetime, even if we hit the lottery. The rest of the NFC East has to be happy, given that the distraction alone pretty much takes PHI out of the equation this year. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 23:28
Is the 2nd year a team option or a player option? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 23:50
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$1.6m for a year is more money that many of us we'll ever see in a lifetime.
While I agree with that "don't take away his livelyhood" or however you call it what a person needs in order to survive, $1.6m is just slightly off the mark in my opinion....
I hope some good player from another team does what has to be done.... So that Vick can get a better job... -------------
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 00:22
If PHI falls this year it will be due to the passing of their brilliant Defensive Co-ordinator Jimmy Johnson, not Michael Vick.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 16:13
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I guess all this is pretty pointless....I mean I think he should not be allowed back in. I think he is beyond second chance....I'm pretty sure he's on his third or fourth now That being said, he's been taken by a team. I hear he might get a 6 game suspension, but still he'll get onto the field in some way this year. Since he's coming back for sure now, all we can do is hope he TRULY means what he said. His press conference was impressive today. Pretty real, not staged, not dodgy, took questions and said the whole "involved with the community" thing. HOPE he means it....and he can't just do a few things. He better really donate some real team and effort. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 16:26
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Working in retail I've given many second and third chances, the only time they truly pan out are the situations where the person decides to mature into a responsible adult, in other words, grow the hell up
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 16:27
Yeah, that's made me laugh. "Now with Vick the Eagles have NO chance at winning the superbowl" I think that's more wishful thinking from my Giants brethren. Facing a probable suspension, and playing as a backup...I don't think Vick will have a negative impact. Or one at all. And I don't think he'll be a distraction. If he has ANY brains he will be so quiet, he better not even litter. Play it 100% by the rules And you're right Plankowner, VIck has to WANT to change. Again, unless he has complete sh*t for brains he should want to...... This whole ordeal happened, if he's allowed back in the NFL the least he could do is learn from it |