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Topic: Prog with Upright Bass
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Subject: Prog with Upright Bass
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 11:14

...does it even exist?




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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 12:40
In Jazz-Rock Fusion, yes.

On this album there's both electric bass and upright bass:



And it's on PA too!


Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 12:49
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

In Jazz-Rock Fusion, yes.

On this album there's both electric bass and upright bass:



And it's on PA too!
 
thanks Alex Hug ...I'm checking that out now Big smile


Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 20:53
If you count the Decemberists as prog.....


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 20:57
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

If you count the Decemberists as prog.....


LOL if they haven't convinced people by now...


anyway...  to the OP.  Pentangle and Danny Thompson.  That is what you are looking for.


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 23:13
Area has some upright in some of their music, intertwined with everything else.  They're a bit insane, but in the good way (at least IMO).  

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 23:33
If you consider it Prog (it's in avant prog and they played the recent RIO fest in Carmeaux ), one of my favourites has it: Aranis.

Begnagrad also has it, I believe.


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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 07:25
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

If you count the Decemberists as prog.....
 
I count them as prog - its only myself I don't count as a fan Wink LOL ...but thanks for the help zappaholic Big smile
 
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Pentangle and Danny Thompson.  That is what you are looking for.
 
thanks micky ...looking into that now
 
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Area has some upright in some of their music, intertwined with everything else.  They're a bit insane, but in the good way (at least IMO).  
 
Area is one of my top tens, but they don't focus enough on the double bass for what I am looking for ...thanks though.
 
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

If you consider it Prog (it's in avant prog and they played the recent RIO fest in Carmeaux ), one of my favourites has it: Aranis.

Begnagrad also has it, I believe.
 
I don't know much about either at the moment ...checking into them too Big smile


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 12:43
Some Zappa and Zorn is all I can think of right now.Of course Miles Davis as well LOL

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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 14:29
Frogg Cafe and supposedly the new From.uz album

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 17:31
Pain of Salvations Be has a fair amount of upright bass as well as fretless and fretted six string bass guitar.

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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 17:40
All i can think of:
Primus - Seas of Cheese, Mr Krinkle, Over the Falls
Return to Forever - Some song off "Romantic Warrior"


Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 17:45
Harry Miller's work with King Crimson on Islands, not their best album, but it has it's moments. Miller also appears with members of Soft Machine and King Crimson on the album Septober Energy by Centipede, a European avant jazz fusion band here on PA.


Posted By: Speesh
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 22:45
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

Some Zappa and Zorn is all I can think of right now.Of course Miles Davis as well LOL

Yeah, LIttle Umbrellas is the first that comes to mind. Damn I love that tune.

Also seconding the Five Peace Band. Christian McBride is a wizard on the upright (and electric for that matter). I had the pleasure of seeing them during their last show in Burlington, they really tore the house down. In fact during the song The Disguise (i think its called that), McBride had arguably the best solo of the night. Blew everybody's mind, he got more applause for that bit than Corea or McLaughlin got all night.


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 01:51
fusion bass player Eberhard Weber, who had his own band Colours but also played with the United Jazz and Rock Ensemble and appears on many European fusion albums, plays an upright bass. here a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GtN2r7Xk38 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GtN2r7Xk38
Reinhard Karwatky of Krautrock band Dzyan played an upright bass, and they are not exactly fusion (though there are some fusion elements in their music).
Hans Rettenbacher of Anima played an upright bass too. their music was very free, especially on their "Live" album (which was recorded in studio, but live with no overdubs).
Stanley Clarke plays upright bass too from time to time


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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 09:53
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

Some Zappa and Zorn is all I can think of right now.Of course Miles Davis as well LOL
 
yeah ...I've digested all three of those guys at this point Tongue ...great suggestions though!
 
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Frogg Cafe and supposedly the new From.uz album
 
Frogg Cafe isn't really my cup of tea ...not too familiar with Fromuz though ...I'll check them out today Big smile
 
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Pain of Salvations Be has a fair amount of upright bass as well as fretless and fretted six string bass guitar.
 
That's one band I've never explored ...any suggestion as to where to start?
 
Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

All i can think of:
Primus - Seas of Cheese, Mr Krinkle, Over the Falls
Return to Forever - Some song off "Romantic Warrior"
 
All great stuff! I wonder if Les has any albums out in which he only uses a double bass...
 
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Harry Miller's work with King Crimson on Islands, not their best album, but it has it's moments. Miller also appears with members of Soft Machine and King Crimson on the album Septober Energy by Centipede, a European avant jazz fusion band here on PA.
 
I forgot about the upright on Islands ...thanks John Big smile
 
I don't know Centipede, but I'll be sure to explore them today.
 
Originally posted by Speesh Speesh wrote:

Also seconding the Five Peace Band. Christian McBride is a wizard on the upright (and electric for that matter). I had the pleasure of seeing them during their last show in Burlington, they really tore the house down. In fact during the song The Disguise (i think its called that), McBride had arguably the best solo of the night. Blew everybody's mind, he got more applause for that bit than Corea or McLaughlin got all night.
 
...any McBride suggestions?
 
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

fusion bass player Eberhard Weber, who had his own band Colours but also played with the United Jazz and Rock Ensemble and appears on many European fusion albums, plays an upright bass. here a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GtN2r7Xk38 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GtN2r7Xk38
Reinhard Karwatky of Krautrock band Dzyan played an upright bass, and they are not exactly fusion (though there are some fusion elements in their music).
Hans Rettenbacher of Anima played an upright bass too. their music was very free, especially on their "Live" album (which was recorded in studio, but live with no overdubs).
Stanley Clarke plays upright bass too from time to time
 
...thanks BaldJean ...I'll dive into Anima & UJ&RE today as well Big smile


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 22:19


Posted By: Tengent
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 22:29
Hugh Hopper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Babbington - Roy Babbington plays a lot of double bass on Fourth - Soft Machine. 


Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 22:38
There is double bass, but it's not Hugh Hopper, it's Roy Babbington, from Nucleus.

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Posted By: Speesh
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 22:58
Quote ...any McBride suggestions?

I've just started looking into his stuff myself, so i'm no authority. All I have so far is Live at Tonic. Its very fusion-y, but with more of a jam band type feel than what one might expect from McBride. Check it out if you're into that kind of thing. The first set is regular fusion songs, during the second there's more improv, and the third is all out jamming, with some unexpected guests. Its nothing ground-breaking but its really fun music played by very solid musicians. I play along with this one a lot, when there's no other people around to jam with Tongue.

I know he's played with Brian Blade elsewhere in Joshua Redman's band I believe, but I don't know anything about Redman right now. With a rhythm section like that though its gotta be good.


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:27
It's hard to suggest bands without sliding into jazz.I guess I could say some Mr Bungle or general Trevor Dunn related bands.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:54
Originally posted by Captain Capricorn Captain Capricorn wrote:

 
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Pain of Salvations Be has a fair amount of upright bass as well as fretless and fretted six string bass guitar.
 
That's one band I've never explored ...any suggestion as to where to start?


If its upright bass you want, Be is the only studio album of theirs to use it and the live acoustic album 12:5 has at least one song using upright bass.

If you want to get into the rest of their disography, The Perfect Element is the best place to start.

Oh, and I was listening to Soft Machines Fourth last night, some excellent upright bass playing on their.


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: August 08 2009 at 00:51
The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution anyone?

that's Zappa again btw. and it absolutely HAS to be the Sleep Dirt version. Why couldnt that version be on Lather???


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 08 2009 at 22:48
Kayo Dot stands out first in my mind.

EDIT: Oh also A Silver Mt. Zion makes extensive use of it.†


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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 03:18
Originally posted by Captain Capricorn Captain Capricorn wrote:

Frogg Cafe isn't really my cup of tea ...not too familiar with Fromuz though ...I'll check them out today Big smile



As far as Frogg Cafe goes, make sure you've listened to the Safenzee Diaries before you dismiss them. They are a whole lot more effective live. I have no idea when that Fromuz album is coming out; supposedly they are in the mixing phase according their facebook page.


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Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 02:22
Danny Thompson of PENTANGLE fame has already been mentioned, but he does a lot more than just PENTANGLE. [ 'Reflections' is a great example of their jazzier more prog influenced work ].

More recently he's worked with Jakko Jakszyk on some tracks on Jakkos solo, ' The Bruised Romantic Glee Club' and earlier in the Indian influenced ' Dizrhythmia'. Even earlier, Danny's solos , particularly ' Whatever ' is very good in a jazz/folk/proggy kind of way and well worth a listen.

But in the more fusion mould, Christian McBride from the US is a monster of the double bass. He has a number of interesting releases. A good place to start with him, particularly if you like STING's jazzier incarnations ,is the great Sting DVD ' All This Time ' , where despite Stings use of his old Fender bass, Christian powers along with Manu Katche on drums in what is a sublime band.

Said band is largely acoustic [ hence the appropriate input from Christian ] and Sting rearranged some of his old classics in a really interesting Jazz oriented way . [ You've just got to love the souped up version of ' Roxanne' featuring Jason Robello on grand piano as well as an unforgettable version of ' An Englishman in New York ' which is given similar treatment.] Suck it and see.

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