Between The Buried And Me Vs. Protest The Hero
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Topic: Between The Buried And Me Vs. Protest The Hero
Posted By: PJreed
Subject: Between The Buried And Me Vs. Protest The Hero
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 16:58
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One Progressive Metalcore band versus the other. Both bands acclaimed by fans to be unbelievably technical and fast in their writing. Although most prog-passersby at this site would surely like to spit on the face of any kind of hardcore Prog-Metal band, I know there are some fans judging by the album reviews. So, I have always thought that these two incredibly unique groups were the only ones to relate to each other. I would like to know what you think about that statement (if you can decipher the meaning through the terror that is my language skills) ! Don't be afraid to ask me to clarify that statement... ------------- Aging is the worst. |
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 18:31
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I love both bands, but for me BTBAM gets the edge. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 20:48
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Protest the hero. I only have Fortress and Colors. Fortress is a three star album, Colors a two IMO.
Both are really talented, I just have trouble getting into any kind of music with a "core" in the end. ------------- 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 20:55
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God Ian you have such horrible taste in music. Love both of the bands and both have several albums that rate in the tops of the decade and really history. Kezia though is just so so so good. I don't really know what exactly I enjoy more about PtH. I definitely enjoy Rody a great deal more than Tommy I think for obvious reasons, but I can't elaborate much more. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 20:55
spitoooey ... moving right along, then.... |
PJreed wrote:Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 21:00
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As always you have made an invaluable contribution to the discussion. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 21:06
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Walterdigsfossils strikes again... leaving no impression on us in any way. -------------
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 21:28
BtBaM are more up my street if I'm honest. Both bands are exciting though and probably the closest thing to metalcore I'll ever listen to  And Walter. Nice to hear your worthless opinion once again. Nice one  ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 21:32
LOL You f**king listen to post metal and then say you have trouble getting into core music. Lol, you of all people should know how much influence post metal draws from hardcore/post hardcore. Without hardcore/post hardcore, a sh*t ton of post metal bands wouldn't even exist mang. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 22:29
Post metal groups...
Isis - Granted they had a hardcore influence, but the last three albums virtually have no influence whatsoever. more sludge than anything else.
Pelican - Not hardcore at all, more punk actually.
Cult of Luna - Doom metal combined with sludge, no hardcore at all.
Neurosis, started out as a hardcore punk group, and by todays standards, hardcore and hardcore punk have almost nothing in common.
I can name how every post metal group I've ever heard almost has no ties to hardcore so STFUGTFOLOLROFL.
Post hardcore has too many guys trying to sing like girls, it's pretty degrading IMO, groups like Circa and The Fall of Troy would be much better if they had testosterone.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 23:07
Would you care to explain the 'core' elements in post metal bands? I really don't see a ton of similarity between post-metal and post-hardcore, even though I know that bands like Isis are typically thrown in the same category.
In any event both bands are really great, and are indeed a way that I can like 'core' music. I wouldn't really call Protest the Hero insanely technical, but they're awesome anyways.
BTBAM for me though. -------------  |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 01:34
And still Waltersh*tsOnMusic continues to insult people by using an image of Zappa as an avatar ... a man that was about 100 times more open minded than he'll ever be. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 09:43
Hey it's all metal guys  Hardcore isn't our enemy. After all it spawned a hell of a lot of genres like Grindcore that I presume we all thoroughly enjoy  I say we declare war on the haters, not ourselves. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 09:50
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I love both of these bands,and have followed their careers since their beginnings.
If I had to pick one BtBaM would slightly edge out PtH.BtBaM are really starting to experiment ,progress and stretch their musical boundaries.They get better and better with every album.And Tommy Rogers is a freakin genius. -------------  |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 09:51
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@topic creator....this isn't really a poll so I need to move it. ------------- |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 10:32
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1st: Yes, post-metal is in part derived from post-hardcore. The annoying part of the bands in question comes from the fact that at their base they're really just modern Hot Topic metalcore--and by this I mean the cookie cutter fashionable bands that use chug-chug breakdowns every 10 seconds and melodic chorus sections. I have a difficult time getting into anything based on modern Hot Topic Metalcore.
I really can't get into BTBAM at all. I've tried. people say Colors is a new classic record. I don't get it, but that's just me.
However, I have a tiny little soft spot in my heart for Protest the Hero. They're just so damn silly and they make me giggle with their twiddly shenanigans. Fortress is a great record for just that reason. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 10:42
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I'm old and have to work to get into this. I'm listening to Colors right now and there are moments that are pure genius (mostly the prog) but the metal core moments don't make me want to get up and thrash around as much as PtH does. Which to me is the only point of that music. Or maybe to get out my anger. I don't listen to PtH that much because I don't feel the need to smash things all that often. I wish BTBaM would ditch the pure cookie monster for some kind of hybrid ala Cynic and think they're capable of making a progmetal masterpiece. I've been putting off the review but maybe I'll do that today. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 13:35
When does this happen ever with PtH? And what a handful of times with BtBaM? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 14:23
Well clearly PtH and BTBAM do not explicitly fit that description, but the scene they derive from (and still sometimes associate with) does. Both bands draw from a variety of progressive influences, but if you stripped all that away, you would find a simple fashionmetalXcore band, in the same way that if you stripped the prog away from Opeth you would find a straightforward death metal band.
The fact that they stand out from their peers can't (at least in my mind) totally separate them from associations with the awful music of their peers.
In the end, I like PtH much better because they derive more influence from power and thrash metal than most anything else, at least on Fortress. their earlier record was much more of a metalcore album and I don't really like it. Fortress sounds more 'metal' and less '-core'. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 18:24
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If you stripped away all their progressive elements both bands would sound completely different. They both have tons of progressive elements, and are based in progressive post-hardcore (PTH) and progressive metalcore (BTBAM). While sometimes the fact that they're associated with the hardcore scene does put me off sometimes, as I do not see me as some 'scene' kid who goes to shows to be cool, they do make excellent music and above all that means all the difference. ------------- |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 18:37
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I can tell that PTH have a lot of talent, but BTBAM is the one I keep coming back to.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 21:18
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It's really hard for me to say which one I prefer. I think Kezia is better than Alaska, but Colors is a little bit better than Fortress. I'd say that BTBAM have the edge, slightly, but both are definitely two bands that I've been listening to heaps in the last 14-15 or so months. |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 21:22
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I can't stand PTH's singer. I love BTBAM. Did you guys hear their new album preview?
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 21:26
| ^Yeah, I heard the album teaser on myspace yesterday. I creamed myself, lol. |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 01:01
I agree with this, not to mention BTBAM hasn't really sounded that way since The Silent Circus.
I think your argument is flawed because by stripping away parts of their sound you have a totally different one. What PtH and BTBAM do is so far beyond the alleged roots of their sound that it shouldn't matter what their roots are anyhow (at least to an open mind). I can understand that you might not like that metalcore sound, but you're basically saying that they're not great because if you took away the things that made them great, they aren't great. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 01:07
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 01:28
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BTBAM and PTH are way past the cookie cutter stage and well into their own game, and dare I say these guys are at the top of their game and what they do. Tommy's vocals are no longer metalcore-ish scream. Going through my iTunes list and comparing the vocal style of Tommy's death growls to that of "pure" death metal bands reveals he's voice has lost that core edge. f**k, listening to Arch Enemy against BTBAM made Angela Gassow sound like a screamer in comparison and Arch Enemy is pretty much as melodic death as it comes, proof how much more depth he's added to his vocal tone as a death metal vocalist. Yeah, the band never lost their metalcore roots, but the members are fans of Pantera and death metal as well and on Colors it shows, with the increasingly less core element of their sound. And anyway, about the only breakdowns I can think of on Colors were on Prequel to the Sequel and White Walls and the band doesn't put them in there for the sake of it, if you read the lyrics they serve as a proper climactic point in the songs. PTH never lost their post hardcore roots, you can still tell that's where they came from (and the same can be said of TMV and their post hardcore lineage from ATDI, no matter how progressive TMV got you can still hear it in their sound), but f**k, in the 5 years between a A Calculated Use of Sound to Fortress the band made a phenomenal improvement in their musicianship. In fact I've seen few bands make such an improvement, from playing fairly standard post hardcore to being able to play extremely technical/virtuosic progressive metal/metalcore is such an incredible feat I think. To me, when I hear the word cookie cutter metalcore, I think the latest Killswitch Engage stuff and those kind bands were the feel from some of the previous albums to the newer ones barely changed. PTH however went the opposite route and made their music less accessible and challenging over time. Cookie-cutter and going the way of less commercial sounding each album just isn't the same thing, period. It's a band that's pushed against the tide of typical "mallcore". Again, as Chris said, people don't have to like the core sound, but cookie cutter these 2 bands ain't, that's for sure. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 01:39
PTH I usually hate hardcore, but I love PTH. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jonky
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 16:46
I think it's hard to compare the two as their sounds are both completely different. But for me it's BTBAM. Even though I still adore PTH and seeing them next month, so it's all good 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 17:40
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BtBAM no contest.
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Posted By: Qboyy007
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 17:51
LOL You f**king listen to rock and then say you have trouble getting into jazz music. Lol, you of all people should know how much influence rock draws from jazz. Without jazz, a sh*t ton of rock bands wouldn't even exist mang. ...Do you know how retarded you sound? ------------- Hay Budday |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 18:04
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BtBaM very slightly for me. And yeah, Harry is posting epicwin. ------------- 
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