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Topic: I have a question about Gryphon
Posted By: daslaf
Subject: I have a question about Gryphon
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 09:19
Hi there, I've been listening to Gryphon a lot lately, Midnight Mushrumps and Red Queen to Gryphon Three to be more specific, great records, totally like what I've listen to but I can't help making myself the next question:

Why the hell this is listed as Prog Rock, if there's no Rock at all?

I mean the rock attempts here are too shy, why not call Gryphon just mmm... neo classical / folk / renaissance music, etc...

I don't know if I'm understood, I don't have a huge prog background like some people here, I started to listen to prog rock just 2 years ago, so I hope you guys get my point Tongue

Thanks in advanced Smile


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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 09:44
They're classified as prog folk. Progressive Rock has broadened into progressive music since the term was originally coined. There are plenty of bands here on PA that could not be classified as "rock" even in the loosest definition of the word. I hope that clears some things up.

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Posted By: daslaf
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 09:52
yeah totally, that makes everything clearer :P

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 09:57
End of thread!Thumbs Up

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Posted By: daslaf
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 10:11
yeah just close it Wink

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Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 10:31
If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)






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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 10:46
Boy, if Gryphon's not prog for you, you should definitly stay way from Amazing Blondel. LOL

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 10:54
Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)





No..he asked why is it Prog Rock!


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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 11:04
Originally posted by TheCaptain TheCaptain wrote:

They're classified as prog folk. Progressive Rock has broadened into progressive music since the term was originally coined. There are plenty of bands here on PA that could not be classified as "rock" even in the loosest definition of the word. I hope that clears some things up.
I have 3 titles from Gryphon but never read reviews or put things into perspective regarding how they should be classified. I never thought about this and it's interesting to hear. thanks for your effort.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 11:42
I have all of Gryphon's studio albums, and there's certainly sufficient rock for me to easily put it under the Progressive Rock category (I like all of their albums, by the way).  The first album is the least rock.  Treason is very much a rock album.

Since I first heard Gryphon long ago, I've always considered it to be part of Prog (i.e. Progressive Rock).  And I don't think there need be much rock in Prog (though it should have that influence).  It is a Prog Folk band, and that category has its own parameters.  A big part of Prog is fusing rock, using rock elements, and combining it with other genres.  Gryphon absolutely does that to my ears.  I see Prog in part as progressing away from rock conventions.   What rather surprises me is that Prog has not commonly moved farther way from rock conventions (while keeping rock elements).


Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 11:59
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)





No..he asked why is it Prog Rock!


Drums? Or must it be 4/4 to be rock? Oh, I soon kill myself because of these definitions of 'what's prog' :) Listen to the music and enjoy if for f***s sake!





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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 12:15
Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)





No..he asked why is it Prog Rock!


Drums? Or must it be 4/4 to be rock? Oh, I soon kill myself because of these definitions of 'what's prog' :) Listen to the music and enjoy if for f***s sake!




Grow up.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 13:19
It doesn't need to "rock out loud" to be rock.


Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 13:28
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)





No..he asked why is it Prog Rock!


Drums? Or must it be 4/4 to be rock? Oh, I soon kill myself because of these definitions of 'what's prog' :) Listen to the music and enjoy if for f***s sake!




Grow up.


Hmm. I think my discussion on this topic ended by that comment.




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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 14:55
Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)





No..he asked why is it Prog Rock!


Drums? Or must it be 4/4 to be rock? Oh, I soon kill myself because of these definitions of 'what's prog' :) Listen to the music and enjoy if for f***s sake!




Grow up.


Hmm. I think my discussion on this topic ended by that comment.


That's good news.


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Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 18:34
:)

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 18:38
Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

:)

Hey..no offence meant!Wink


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Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 18:44
No probs, Snow Dog :)

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 18:50
Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

No probs, Snow Dog :)

Thank you, I was a bit rude earlier. Don't know what gets into me sometimes.


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Posted By: daslaf
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 21:14
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

It doesn't need to "rock out loud" to be rock.


yah of course, totally agree with you... but I was just wandering why Gryphon was clasified as a Prog Rock band, if there's no rock at all, based on what I've listened to.

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


Since I first heard Gryphon long ago, I've always considered it to be part of Prog (i.e. Progressive Rock).  And I don't think there need be much rock in Prog (though it should have that influence).  It is a Prog Folk band, and that category has its own parameters.  A big part of Prog is fusing rock, using rock elements, and combining it with other genres.  Gryphon absolutely does that to my ears.  I see Prog in part as progressing away from rock conventions.   What rather surprises me is that Prog has not commonly moved farther way from rock conventions (while keeping rock elements).


That's quite an interesting point of view man, but since rock is a kinda new genre (compared with other prog rock influences as classical music) I can't really see how to go farther rock-wise, if you know what I mean.


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But now my branches suffer
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They did so long ago



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