System of a Down - close to prog?
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Topic: System of a Down - close to prog?
Posted By: Logos
Subject: System of a Down - close to prog?
Date Posted: May 17 2005 at 09:56
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Am I the only one to find that System of a Down's music has a hint of prog to it? It certainly has nothing to do with what people call "nu-metal", it's not even close to it. Their music is highly innovative and enjoyable, and really fresh, I don't think I've ver heard anything quite like it. It is of course metal, and some members dislike all metal.. but I think metal can also be prog; just look at Strapping Young Lad!! |
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: May 17 2005 at 10:00
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I totally messed up the poll. The "Yes very much so" was supposed to be one of the options.. Well nevermind  |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: May 17 2005 at 18:49
| "Dear God no, they're not even close!" |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 17 2005 at 19:11
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...says the man with the dream theater signature! ------------- 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 17 2005 at 19:29
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"Dear God no, they're not even close!" Another note: They suck ass. |
Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 04:24
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How on earth can SOAD ever be considered prog? They're horrible nu-metal trash. ------------- "...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine." |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 09:29
| They're not nu metal. |
Posted By: Andhi
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 09:32
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Aerials is probably about the only song that I've heard by them that
even comes vaguely close to being progalicious. It's nu-metal. They
might be a little different from what was the mainstream nu-metal, but
they definitely are nu-metal, and they're not progressive.
------------- It's only knock and knowall, but I like it... |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 09:34
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Heard of them but don't know any songs by them! ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 09:36
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I lump SOAD in with Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit, because they are all utter sh*te! nu-metal crap. ------------- "...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine." |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 17:41
| They are NOT Nu-Metal, they are UN-metal :) |
Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 17:43
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...they are also UN-music IMO!! But if you like it, that's cool! ------------- "...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine." |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 21:02
Prog? No. There may be a hint, a very very very very slight bit of prog is a song or two, but not prog at all. But they are good, dispite popular opinion.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 07:35
I'd agree with that  -------------  Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Man With Hat wrote:Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 09:27
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I'm with The hat man and Jim I think they have very mild prog elements and are absolutely NOTHING like Linkin park and limp Bizkit I have just got the new album today in my lunch break and can't wait to get home to listen to it. ------------- Don't hate me I'm not special like you |
.Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 09:39
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Good luck with listening to it - you're gonna need it! ------------- "...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine." |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 09:50
| To not like them is if course OK, but to lump then in with Bizkit and Linkin Park etc. is just idiotic IMO. A deaf person or someone who knows absolutely nothing about metal music might do so, no one else. Which one are you spectral? |
Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 12:14
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I'm deaf to bullsh1t music like system of a down; it makes my ears bleed. Songs like chop suey are just utter sh1te masquerading as "music." Granted they're not as bad as linkin park or limp bizkit, but they're pretty bad, IMO. Which is what it comes down to, personal opinions. ------------- "...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine." |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 15:06
| I would say they have the potential and talent to become a progressive rock outfit. As of right now?....perhaps some hints of progressive in their music...one can only wait and hope and see what the future has in store for these guys. |
Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 15:20
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if they can inject more prog into their music, then I would be open to listening to them again. ------------- "...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine." |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 15:29
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Progressive but not prog. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 15:31
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I think you've summed it up really well manunkind. ------------- "...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine." |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 15:43
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/\ Thanks SOAD is a progressive band in that it is creative and original (although their second album contains some dangerously commercial songs ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
?). It's definitely not prog, though. However, I have a very restrictive definition of what prog is (and I do believe that, as much as I love them, Radiohead shouldn't be here!Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 23:31
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They're definately a step in the right direction for the apathetic and
uneducated youth of America. At least their lyrics and members are
trying to convey something of topical importance, besides the rest of
the mainstream rock bands that are a bunch of spoiled, whiny, hipster,
white kids. Peace & take care by the way |
Posted By: Mr. Krinkle
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 15:01
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Well they are not a progrssive rock band, without a dubt, but they still have some kind of progresive-ish touch in their work, a little bit, little little bit. It is a great band, really powerful, and thre song themes are great really direct and well well build.
Grat band! |
Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 15:09
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Not even close! Amen to what billshears'67 stated. |
Posted By: yarstruly
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 15:40
| Chop Suey is the only song I really know by them, which has some sudden tempo changes, but not enough there for prog IMO... |
Posted By: outdoor miner
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 16:08
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"not even close" I usually refer to them as System of a Down SYNDROME |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 16:14
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/\ Funny? No. Ridiculous? Yes. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: outdoor miner
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 16:27
| ^I admit it was a cheap shot, sorry for being an ass. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 16:28
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Thank you ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 11:49
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Dear God no!!!!
Horrible music and they don't have any prog capacity if you ask me... I heard their new single this afternoon and it is so stupid imho!!!! ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 15:47
| i think they have some prog in their music, now if their next album had some way longer songs with a similar concept and style, it would definitely be prog |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 15:51
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I bet it won't be like you describe, it will be a typical SOAD album again. Which is a good thing. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 15:59
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no it probably wont, SOAD said themselves that they get bored of the album is too long, its too bad, they are pretty good
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 16:04
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The length of the album doesn't matter. Check out Adrian Belew's Side One, it's 31 minutes short. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 16:04
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It is prog.. prog for me is music that breaks bariers... Soad Dose that.. Someone in a polish rock magazine compared them 2 Pink Floyd... actuallly I agree! They are as innovate! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 16:58
Close, but no cigar. definitely progressive elements. I
read a review of Mesmerize that called it "Amphetamine Prog", which
definitely makes sense. to call them nu-metal is definitely
wrong, but it would also be wrong to call them prog rock. theyre
just weird, and thats ok.
------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:28
Dear God .... NOT PROG
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Posted By: Mr. Krinkle
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:40
| They can be a little, little prog sometimes, just a little, almost nothing. But they are good for sure, really good. |
Posted By: Violenza
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 18:43
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Funny how few ever choose the moderate choice "I Don't Think So". However, SOAD is definitely not prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Violenza/?chartstyle=tree"> 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 19:12
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No. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 02:08
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Whoever started this thread- can I kick your head in? Please?? It would be NICE.
------------- 50 tonne angel falls to the earth... |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 10:33
Thanks for the childish and pointless personal attack. I have reported you to the admins, hope they will take care of you. Watch your words in the future! |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 16:27
Well, IDK. From Linkin Park I get the sence they are trying to sorta copy porcupine tree's sound but with a twist (that twist would be there to make them popular) and I think it's horribly failing. But a couple of songs off of Meteora maybe hinting at prog. Or maybe there just there to seperate themselves from other artists, hell, IDK. But I think SOAD is a tad bit prog. But not really. But ye- but not. ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter 
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 17:17
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Remove this thread please ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 20:24
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They are not progressive, yet their latest album has more than one prog element, specially the sudden changes and crazy drumms... ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 20:36
| Before you know it - they'll be in the archives |
Posted By: TURK182!
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 10:03
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i Dont think that SOD is prog but I understand why you ask this question. I found that SOD have a original sound, and I think that's because they come from California. I dont like group from U.S.A. except californian bands, I've always found they have a special sound that is less rough (than others u.s bands) and more refined. Some examples : Red hot Chilli peppers, The Doors, Californian Guitar Trio, The Velvelt Underground, etc. And by the way, I very like MEZMERIZE, the last one from SOD. ------------- "A Flower!!!" "If you go down to Willow farm, you look for Butterflies..." |
Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 11:51
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There Definetly an interesting band thats not shy of trying weird time changes and incorporating there mix of id say Thrash Metal,Prog,Hardcore Punk and when they get really silly the vocals remind me of Mr Bungle Or possibly some zappa but i still dont know if i would call them prog and i think if they tried making a long epic it would be pretty awful. ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 13:52
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Long songs are not their thing - they pack their songs with so much stuff that an average 3 minutes of System of a Down has pretty much all the excitement and diversity of a 15-minute prog epic. Mind you - Gentle Giant didn't do epics either. The song durations do not define whether a band is prog or not. I'm still not saying SoaD should be included tho. I made this poll in the first place just out of interest to see if prog fans were interested in their music and/or considered them prog. The results are pretty clear, and apart from a few rubbish posts (and don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about your post |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 13:55
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close....but no "cigaro"... ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:02
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You're as stoned as the SoaD guys. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:03
i like the song "bounce" ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:05
Me too.. pogo-pogo-pogo |
Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: August 18 2005 at 01:05
i said it would be awful because somebody in a previous post said they would only be progresive if they made an epic or something on those lines ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: cold103
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 10:53
| I don't think they're very good. To those of you who think they're somewhat prog, which songs would you recommend to anyone that disagrees? |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 13:53
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Argh... Can a band do songs sightly different than the mainstream pop without being concidered prog? Why does everyone is seeing prog everywhere? They are doing some original pop metal sh*t, but they aren't prog, they are not rock too. A lot of people can't accept a band like Dream Theater, so you all can imagine how soad would be welcomed here. ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |