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Topic: Marillion ... Clutching at Straws vs Brave
Posted By: Yorkie X
Subject: Marillion ... Clutching at Straws vs Brave
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 05:19
I think I'll vote Clutching at Straws. Embarrassed



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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 06:12
Me too; although I admire Marillion for Brave.


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 06:15
Brave, easily. It is the best album of Hogarth-era Marillion, as far as I have heard them, whereas Clutching as Straws, although still a good album, is not at par with its predecessors.


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Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 06:18
Maybe it's only my prejudice, but for me any Marillion album with Fish is stronger than every Hogarth effort with the band. So my vote consequently goes to Clutching At Straws (which, despite of this, is one of the most mature Marillion albums IMO).


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 06:48
CaS. None of both is really strong, but Marillion without Fish isn't interesting at all.


Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 06:49
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Brave, easily. It is the best album of Hogarth-era Marillion, as far as I have heard them, whereas Clutching as Straws, although still a good album, is not at par with its predecessors.
 
100% agree. My vote for Brave.


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Posted By: Gillywibble
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 07:40

Brave, no question.



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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 08:12
Sorry, "Clutching at Straws" is the only Marillion album that I really like.  It easliy wins over brave.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 08:30
Another one for CAS.
Some of the best lyrics Fish has ever written IMO.
 I still prefer Fugazi though...  


Posted By: Phideaux
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 10:07
I find that when I listen to Brave I keep waiting for it to begin.  It seems like a looooong introduction to something.  The songs are so subtle I don't even know when they are happening!


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 10:08
Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

I find that when I listen to Brave I keep waiting for it to begin.  It seems like a looooong introduction to something.  The songs are so subtle I don't even know when they are happening!


I quite feel the same way.


Posted By: bluegecko
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 12:03

I like them both. Some of the songs on Clutching at straws really stands out and are really good. I can't say that about Brave. Brave howerver feels more impressive and introverted as a whole package. Tough choice.

My preference would go to Clutching at Straws, I listen to that one a bit more.


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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 13:48
Easy choice, while I like Brave just fine, CAS is my favorite Marillion album and quite probably fits into my top 20 albums ever.

Probably my favorite lyrics of any album, too...beautiful and heartbreaking.


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Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 14:30
1st three tracks of clutching > brave


Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 14:32
Anything from Fish-era Marillion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anything Hogarth-era Marillion

They just haven't been the same since Fish left.Disapprove

Clutching for me.Big smile


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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: November 19 2009 at 14:55
Hogarth-era only ever made one great album (Marbles). Everything else is ho-hum. Clutching at Straws isn't entirely consistent but it has a fair amount of gems so it gets my vote.

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Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 03:03
CoS even for the first three tracks alone. Probably not as good as their first two albums but still quite strong. Brave is also fine though

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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 03:13
Brave - Although this is a hard one.

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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 03:17
Clutching at Straws, of course!

I mean, the overlong Brave isn't even my favourite H album. That award goes to Afraid of Sunlight.


Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:04
Marillion only started when "Seasons End" came out, anything with that drunken Scottish buffoon who thinks he's a poet should be forgotten. "Brave" all the way!

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:09
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

I find that when I listen to Brave I keep waiting for it to begin.  It seems like a looooong introduction to something.  The songs are so subtle I don't even know when they are happening!


I quite feel the same way.
Glad I'm not the only one to feel that way.  CAS all the way.  My favorite Marillion album, although I love h era stuff too, I've always found Brave very hard to get into.  I usually end up losing interest about 1/2 way through.  It would have been more of a contest had the h album been Season's End, This Strange Engine or Afraid of Sunlight (my third favorite Marillion album and my favorite with h).

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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:13
CAS is my favorite Marillion album.

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Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:51
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

I find that when I listen to Brave I keep waiting for it to begin.  It seems like a looooong introduction to something.  The songs are so subtle I don't even know when they are happening!


I quite feel the same way.

Well put indeed. It's been a while - a long while actually - since I last heard Brave. There are exactly two things I can remember from it right now: one is Hogarth singing "What a brave, brave girl"; the other is a really nice little piano line.

That's not to say I'd necessarily put it below CaS though... Marillion is one of those rare bands that I used to really love but my interest in which just died away at some point.


Posted By: Marfan
Date Posted: November 21 2009 at 22:47
A difficult choice, but, I would choose "Brave". When I listened to this release the first time I was somewhat disappointed, however, like many of Marillion's CDs it really grew on me. "Living with the Big Lie" and "The Great Escape" are outstanding tracks - so much emotion.


Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 01:39
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Clutching at Straws, of course!

I mean, the overlong Brave isn't even my favourite H album. That award goes to Afraid of Sunlight.


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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: November 22 2009 at 15:07
Clutching at Straws is much better than it's reputation, but Brave is arguably the Hogarth era masterpiece.  I have to go Brave here.

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Posted By: Basíleia
Date Posted: December 15 2009 at 11:11
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

I find that when I listen to Brave I keep waiting for it to begin.  It seems like a looooong introduction to something.  The songs are so subtle I don't even know when they are happening!


I quite feel the same way.
 
And is a good thing, you reckon? I experience the same thing, and that's what makes this such a special album the feeling you get! Can't put my finger on it...
Clutching at Straws is a fantastic album and Fish's lyrics > any othernone's lyrics, of course...Big smile
The first three songs from CaS....just to die for; on the other hand, Brave has got the marvelous Goodbye to All That.......Brave, however, is a concept album and CaS is not....So my vote goes to Brave!!!
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: December 15 2009 at 13:01
Am I the only one to find Brave one of the lesser Hogarth albums?

Clutching at Straw by miles. You can't imagine how happy I felt when I rushed out of the record store the day it was released!
Didn't feel that happy after listening though :-)
But it's a grower.


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 15 2009 at 14:13
Brave, without any hesitation at all.

Clutching at Straws is a very good album, but, by then, the tensions within the band were clearly manifesting themselves on record.

Brave is an utter masterpiece, a work of pure genius, and easily falls within my top five albums of all time. The emotion, storyline, intensity, musicianship - this one has it all, and I defy anyone not to get overcome by The Great Escape, simply the greatest piece of music ever committed to a disc.


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Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: December 15 2009 at 14:44
Clutching at Straws cuz of Fish


Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: December 15 2009 at 14:49
Clutching at Straws


Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: December 15 2009 at 15:37
Clutching at Straws.
 
Brave was the first and last Hogarth-era Marillion album I bought.  For me, Fish was the person that made the band special. His idiosyncratic and dramatic singing style, coupled with his poetic lyrics were so distinctive.  Post-Fish Marillion sounds kind of bland and bloodless in comparision.  Clutching at Straws was the weakest Fish-era Marillion studio album by a significant margin, but it is superior to any Hogarth album.


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 10:20
None of the two is their best. Clutching wins more for lyrics than for music. Brave is the last Marillion album that I have enjoyed. Afraid of Sunlight the last that I have purchased.


Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 10:23
Both great, though I'm more fond of Brave than Clutching at Straws, since if I want to listen to Fish I usually pick Script, while when I want to listen to Hogarth it's either Brave or Somewhere Else.


Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 20:30
Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

Marillion only started when "Seasons End" came out, anything with that drunken Scottish buffoon who thinks he's a poet should be forgotten.


You are going to get SO much sh*t for saying that! LOL




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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 20:32
Clutching is the weakest Fish album IMO. 

Brave by a mile. 


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 20:48
CAS easily.
 
Never liked Brave. Very boring overall for my ears. CAS is one of my favorites however.


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Posted By: Camel666
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 03:13
Brave is a masterpiece. A wonderful story beautifully told in a very personal way. I find it deeply moving.
Clutching at straws is a very fine album indeed but it lacks that special something.



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