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Ariel (Australian Cross-Over)

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Topic: Ariel (Australian Cross-Over)
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Subject: Ariel (Australian Cross-Over)
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 14:18
This band is famous for its two founding members, Mike Rudd and Bill Putt, who formed Spectrum (one of the most influential Australian prog groups).

I think they fit in cross-over because their sound is similar to Spectrum (mostly because of Mike Rudd's unique voice) who are also in cross-over.

They have released a total of four studio albums:

A Strange Fantastic Dream (1973)

The Jellabad Mutant (recorded in 1974, unreleased until 2002)

Rock & Roll Scars (1975)

Goodnight Fiona (1976)

Plus some live albums.

I have all their studio albums, so if the crossover team would like to take a look just send me a pm.

Thanks!


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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 14:22
Already evaluated by Crossover - and rejected.


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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 14:24
Really? Any sub-genre you could recommend?

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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 14:24
See above mate. I checked our charts, and they have already been subject to evaluation - with a negative outcome. 

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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 14:26
by all sub-genres other than cross-over?

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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 14:32
I mean thats fine that they were rejected by cross over (even though I disagree), but there are still a couple other subgenres I could try.

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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 15:18
You could try - don't know the band myself so don't have any suggestions though. Rejected before my Xover times :-)

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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 18:34
Hmmm....I know this rarely happens and even more rarely works, but is it possible for a re-eval?

Otherwise...thank you!


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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 06 2009 at 22:12
Re-evaluations are usually done if new material is available or when an entire new team is in place. So for now I don't think that's possible as those criterias aren't in place.

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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 16:34
Hey could you psych/space prog guys take a look at Ariel?

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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 16:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhhoqmeYgzs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhhoqmeYgzs

^
maybe heavy prog ? sounds a bit like uriah heep...


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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 16:59

That team too! Btw, that so happens to be my YouTube account! What a co-winky-dink!



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Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:01

So if I could take the time of both the Psych and Heavy Prog teams to eval this band, than I would be very appreciative. I have all of their albums, so if any of the said teams are interested then just send me a pm. Thanks!



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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:05
I am going to forward this thread to the heavy prog team.

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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:07
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I am going to forward this thread to the heavy prog team.


I've just did it! Tongue


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:31
Yeah, heavy (though not altogether heavy), a possibility.  Based on that track this is one I think should find a place in PA. Reminds me a bit of Khan (though not as good, imo) and others. I like it.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:51
Just a  note though, when a team flat out rejects a band rather than suggests a move, it means that not only do they not think it right for that team's category but that they don't think it right for PA at all (though that was evaluated  a little before my team member team so progfreak might have operated differently then, and of course PA's parameters have shifted too).  So this may, possibly, now count as controversial.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:53
having a look 


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 18:03
This one that Lucas provided is a good track (if the rest was of the same quality then I'd be surprised that it wasn't suggested for another category):



Based on that, I would like to see it in.  I like it more and more.  It reminds me of Supertramp with some The Who, Queen, Khan etc.  good pub/blues rock elements etc.  Very good in fact and I'd call it prog.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 22:31
 ^ I agree, the cut is rather good vintage prog, they should be added and I think we could take them in Heavy P.--  one comparison might be Aussies Fraternity who I added in Eclectic, so either that or Heavy could work..bottom line; they deserve a spot here

more info here -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_%28band%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_(band)

oh and they shouldn't be confused with the Russian band Ariel of the late 1970s




 


Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 00:09

Well that  first album, callled A Strange Fantastic Dream (1973), is not entirely consistent. Out of the 11 songs, I would say about 5 of them (Jamaican Farewell, No Encores, Garden of the Frenzied Cortinas, Chicken Sh*t, & And if it Wasn't for You) are fully prog while the rest are just quirky rock n roll.

Ariel did record a rock opera and concept album in 1974, called The Jellabad Mutant, that wasn't released until 2002. That album is completely consistent with the prog material imo. Enough so that I think The Jellabad Mutant might be more representative of their prog contributions. The album has a total of 9 songs, but only 7 of them relate to the Jellabad Mutant storyline (which are tracks 1-6 & 9, although track 8 does follow the same sound as the rest of the album while track 7 is very out of place).  Which is why I think tracks 7 and 8 were put on the cd to fill in time, for the most part.

Their third album, Rock n Roll Scars (1975), may also be more consistent then their first album (either that or my definition of prog rock is broader than most). Out of 11 from that album, I would say that most of the album (about 8 songs) is relevant to prog rock. It should be noted that half of Rock n Roll Scars contain re-recordings of past Spectrums/Indelible Murtceps songs.

Here's the eight songs I was talking about by the way:
Keep On Dancing (With Me)
Real Meanie
Men in Gray Raincoats
Launching Place Part II
We are Indelible (this one might not be all that prog, but I include it since it is one of Spectrum's best known songs)
I am the Laughing Man
What the World Needs (is a New Pair of Socks)

Now their fourth and final studio album, Goodnight Fiona (1976), would be the "weakest" of the four. Still a very great album though, but I would say that only 3 songs (Take me for a Ride, Goodnight Fiona, Redwing) would bring some interest to prog rock fans. Although the last song on the album has very good melodies, vocal arrangements, instrumentation.

So hopefully some of you will agree with my above statements and get Ariel into ProgArchives.



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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 23:04
 ^ good to know, if there's a chance you could zip me a file of their more prog material - strictly for evaluation purposes - that'd be ideal.. if the other albums are as you say, that will help their chances, even this horrifying disco cut [a single from '77] has tinges of progrock, clearly a band that was into prog but just as into selling albums ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcKBSj2KKWM&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcKBSj2KKWM&feature=related







Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 11:45
Haha, yeah no problem. Unfortunately, though, thats not the only disco styled song Ariel recorded. On their last album there's a song called Rock Critic that is very disco. I didn't want to mention it because I didn't want to scare anyone away!LOL But yeah, I'll get those songs to you in a day or two.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 07 2010 at 15:26
Hi AP --   after getting some more opinions, Ariel will not be added at this time.  It is felt the material simply does not contain enough prog.  This doesn't necessarily mean they'll never be added and I do feel the band represents a kind of typical 70s artrock, but it does mean they'll probably not be looked at again any time soon for a regular Prog genre. 

Thanks for your persistence, though, and for sniffing out these obscure bands.




Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 11:26
*raspberry* Figures. You are very welcome anyways. Although I have to say I'm questioning the decision. I mean unless a band is so ridiculously prog, it seems that its automatically going to be an uphill battle. Now, I know that their 4 albums are not completely prog from start to finish but I guess I thought the material they did have were pretty damn convincing.

Oh well, prog related it is then. So whenever that can be done I would be very appreciative for Ariel to be considered for it.

For what its worth, thanks anyways!


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 17 2010 at 19:02
approved for ProgRelated, I will be adding them




Posted By: AmericanProgster
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 10:12
Thumbs Up

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