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Topic: Stolte - Morse continuum
Posted By: Negoba
Subject: Stolte - Morse continuum
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:29
Alright, I have a $15 iTunes gift card.
 
I'm thinking of getting an album from the Spock's Beard / Flower Kings / Neal Morse / Roine Stolt / Transatlantic group of folks.
 
Some of you know my tastes. But the closest things to that modern prog I like are IZZ and the soft Sieges Even album. I actually have 4 songs from these guys already that people have given me in prog samplers:
 
SB: Crack the Big Sky, At the End of the Day, The Great Nothing
TA: Stranger in Your Soul
 
Any suggestions on where I should spend my card?


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:35

Yeah, get some more RPI insteadWink



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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:37
Not easy on iTunes. But I'll look.

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Heater valve kicking on.
Snotty noses being blown.
Griping.
Maybe cookies coming out of the oven???

C is for cookie, and it is good enough for me.



Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:38
If you like "At the End of the Day" and "The Great Nothing", you could do worse than get the album where they originally appear, i.e. V. It was my first (and only so far) SB album, and I can safely say I like it, though nowadays it is not the kind of music I listen to very often. Same goes for Transatlantic's debut. They are both excellent albums in technical terms, though as far as 'retro-prog' goes there are other bands I deem far superior.

Edit: Jim, excellent suggestionClap! I'm sure Jay would love the Arpia album...


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:39
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Not easy on iTunes. But I'll look.
 
Evil SmileClownClap


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:41
While it's their best, there's probably no reason for you to grab V from Spock's Beard if you have the two epics.

For you, I recommend Paradox Hotel from The Flower Kings.  Adam & Eve is great if you want some predominantly acoustic music from The Flower Kings (great album- do not let the rating fool you).  The Sum of No Evil is excellent if you are looking for something on the bombastic side.

The Light from Spock's Beard is an excellent album also.  Most people won't agree, but I recommend Octane if you want something more akin to progressive pop (but I love that album- what wonderful songs).

Transatlantic is fine, but I'd recommend all of the above first.




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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:45
Just to give Jay more data, The Light is one of the worst albums I've ever heard in my life.

And I am a huge IZZ fan as well.


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:46
I agree with Robert.  While V is my favorite SB album, there's no reason to get it yet if you already have the two epics, because you already own 4/5 of the album.    My intro to SB and one of my favorite albums by them still is Beware of Darkness.  If you want to check out TFK, Space Revolver is the place to start with them. 
 
You could also do worse than picking up TA's latest The Whirlwind. 


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:47
These are my personal favorites from each of these bands/musicians...

From The Flower Kings:

The Sum of No Evil
Space Revolver
Retropolis
Back In The World of Adventures


From Spock's Beard:

Snow (my favorite)
The Kindness of Strangers
V

From Neal Morse:

?
Sola Scriptura
One


Transatlantic:

Bridge Across Forever
The Whirlwind


Here's how I would rank the albums:

1. Snow - Spock's Beard
2. ? - Neal Morse
3. Bride Across Forever- Transatlantic
4. Sola Scriptura - Neal Morse
5. The Sum of No Evil - The Flower Kings
6. V - Spock's Beard
7. The Whirlwind - Transatlantic
8. The Kindness of Strangers - Spock's Beard
9. One - Neal Morse
10. Space Revolver - The Flower Kings

I am a rabid Neal Morse fanboy, so it's obvious TFK took a backseat in my list. If you're going to get into anything related to Neal Morse, I would start with Snow and ?. All 3 Transatlantic albums are excellent, by the waySmile

Hope This Helps,

Jeff


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:51
Thanks folks. I won't get V since I have the bulk. I've heard some Flower Kings I really like and some that bores me a bit.
 
So:
 
Paradox Hotel
Sum of No Evil
Snow
?
Sola Scriptura
 
 
Listening to an Arpia track right now...sounds heavier than the new album is supposed to be.


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Heater valve kicking on.
Snotty noses being blown.
Griping.
Maybe cookies coming out of the oven???

C is for cookie, and it is good enough for me.



Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:52
^Sounds good!Clap Forgot to mention Roine Stolt's album titled The Flower King is excellent as wellThumbs Up

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:55
Of those I would choose Paradox Hotel.  Still, I'd pick Space Revolver first if it's available.  As for Snow, I enjoy it, but it's not my favorite of the Morse-era SB.  In fact, I'd place it below the self-titled post-Morse-era album. 

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:57
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Just to give Jay more data, The Light is one of the worst albums I've ever heard in my life.

And I am a huge IZZ fan as well.


"WELL f**k YOU."  Angry

WinkTongue


(Hope you get the joke Pat)


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 14:58
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Just to give Jay more data, The Light is one of the worst albums I've ever heard in my life.

And I am a huge IZZ fan as well.


"WELL f**k YOU."  Angry

WinkTongue


(Hope you get the joke Pat)


I do.  LOL


Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 15:08
Well I'll see what's available tonight and report back.
 
Listening to "End of the Day" right now...better than "Crack the Big Sky"
 
 
 
There is a new IZZ album too...hmmm.


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Current Listening:

Heater valve kicking on.
Snotty noses being blown.
Griping.
Maybe cookies coming out of the oven???

C is for cookie, and it is good enough for me.



Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 18:14
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

 
There is a new IZZ album too...hmmm.


That new album is not as good as the last (although as I gave the last one 5 stars it would be very hard to be), but very enjoyable and worth getting, I think.


Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 20:45
Transatlantic's first two albums are better than everything in the Flower Kings and Spock's Beard discographies as well as the Stolt & Morse solo albums. I would get those two. If you really want more, I'd recommend Neal's Sola Scriptura.

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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 20:51
No one's suggested the Stolt/Morse combo platter of Wall Street Voodoo.  So I will.  It hits a slightly less prog, almost classic rock kind of feel.  


Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 20:54
<shameless self promotion>
The new Shadow Circus CD just became available on iTunes yesterday!
</shameless self promotion>


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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 21:12
Thanks John, i'm on my over there now.  Smile



Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 21:14
I LOVE Neal and the Flower Kings, but:

? is my least favorite Neal Morse album- favorite is probably "One"

Paradox Hotel and The Sum of no Evil are my two least favorite FK albums

(but they are still great of course)

Flower Kings best IMO: Space Revolver, Adam and Eve, and Unfold the Future


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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 21:15
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

^Sounds good!Clap Forgot to mention Roine Stolt's album titled The Flower King is excellent as wellThumbs Up


TOTALLYClap


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 21:26
Well iTunes is limited and I was taking earlier suggestions so I got "The Sum of No Evil," and finished "V" so I would have a full SB album. With my few dollars left I bought a few more tracks from Bungle's California.
 
We'll see where I end up.


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Current Listening:

Heater valve kicking on.
Snotty noses being blown.
Griping.
Maybe cookies coming out of the oven???

C is for cookie, and it is good enough for me.



Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 21:35
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Well iTunes is limited and I was taking earlier suggestions so I got "The Sum of No Evil," and finished "V" so I would have a full SB album. With my few dollars left I bought a few more tracks from Bungle's California.
 
We'll see where I end up.


The Sum of No Evil has two decidedly brilliant songs: "One More Time" and "Life in Motion."  The middle of the album is here and there, but there's some fabulous instrumental passages during the journey.

The middle songs of V are more pop and Gentle Giant-oriented, and are quite good.


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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 21:50
^Interesting, I think the middle is the best. Well, I take that back, The two longer tracks in the middle are the better of the couple. Life in Motion and One More Time have absolutely dreadful lyrics which make an already cheesy tune cheesier really. Certainly some points in those songs are solid, but I found myself cringing at some of the embarassing things they say in those songs.

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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 07:15
Well I have a long drive through snow this morning so I'll get a good chance to listen. Gentle Giant is always good for me, so I'm glad I got the rest of V.

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Current Listening:

Heater valve kicking on.
Snotty noses being blown.
Griping.
Maybe cookies coming out of the oven???

C is for cookie, and it is good enough for me.



Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 07:21
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

^Interesting, I think the middle is the best. Well, I take that back, The two longer tracks in the middle are the better of the couple. Life in Motion and One More Time have absolutely dreadful lyrics which make an already cheesy tune cheesier really. Certainly some points in those songs are solid, but I found myself cringing at some of the embarassing things they say in those songs.


I'm fairly certain that no lyric on that album is worse than

I been circlin' like in orbit
'Round that cosmic Christmas tree

You think science is a fact, but it's just a childish game
And they never saw the greatness of a game


lolwut



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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 10:17

I'm only on my first listen and that Cosmic Christmas Tree caught my ear....ewwwwww.

But overall I'm really impressed with the music. The vocals, meh, they're there. Not bad enough to harm the music but don't hurt it either. At least most of the lyrics are fairly positive.
 
And the cover is cool.


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Current Listening:

Heater valve kicking on.
Snotty noses being blown.
Griping.
Maybe cookies coming out of the oven???

C is for cookie, and it is good enough for me.



Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 15:55
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

^Interesting, I think the middle is the best. Well, I take that back, The two longer tracks in the middle are the better of the couple. Life in Motion and One More Time have absolutely dreadful lyrics which make an already cheesy tune cheesier really. Certainly some points in those songs are solid, but I found myself cringing at some of the embarassing things they say in those songs.


I'm fairly certain that no lyric on that album is worse than

I been circlin' like in orbit
'Round that cosmic Christmas tree

You think science is a fact, but it's just a childish game
And they never saw the greatness of a game


lolwut



The chorus in "Love Is The Only Answer" makes me cringe every time as well...

It's still a kick-ass album, though. I can certainly look past the lyrical flaws.

-Jeff


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 15:57
Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

<shameless self promotion>
The new Shadow Circus CD just became available on iTunes yesterday!
</shameless self promotion>


I got that a little while ago, and it is REALLY good! Jay, if you get some more iTunes money, Whispers and Screams is worth a purchaseThumbs Up

-Jeff


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