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Topic: Robert Fripp Question
Posted By: slidesandbends
Subject: Robert Fripp Question
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 11:14
Hey guys,
For a long time now I've been learning about the crafters of prog; I read the yes book "close to the edge" and Im constantly on the internet. One thing I keep getting is the assertion that Fripp never used drugs in any capacity. Regardless of what personal beliefs are, its important to realize that those who did use responsibly (Just ask Steve Howe, Hackett, Derek Shulman) had distinctive creative edges. Can anyone confirm to me that this is true? That Fripp was completely clean?



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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 11:29
I've heard Fripp and others make the claim definitely.  I don't know what kind of verification you could possibly find unless someone has clean urine samples of Fripp's.....(joking, that still would prove nothing)


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 11:35
I'm pretty sure it's been more or less confirmed by everybody who knew him. Some people don't need drugs in order to be artistic, after all.


Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 11:39
^ Exactly.  Look at Frank Zappa, for instance. 

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Posted By: js (Easy Money)
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 11:44
Any interviews I've read with Fripp always gave me the impression that he does not do drugs, except maybe caffeine.


Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 11:49
I suspect he may have ingested some Lark Tongues in Aspic at one point!

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 11:57
I'm sure his urine would be as sweet and clear as natural spring water (Although he must have dabbled at some point in his past, I mean how do you explain Toyah ?Confused)

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 12:36
Originally posted by slidesandbends

Hey guys,
For a long time now I've been learning about the crafters of prog; I read the yes book "close to the edge" and Im constantly on the internet. One thing I keep getting is the assertion that Fripp never used drugs in any capacity. Regardless of what personal beliefs are, its important to realize that those who did use responsibly (Just ask Steve Howe, Hackett, Derek Shulman) had distinctive creative edges. Can anyone confirm to me that this is true? That Fripp was completely clean?


I've been acquainted with Fripp since 1982, when he was touring small record stores, Les Paul and REVOX tape player in hand, to demonstrate "Frippertronics."  Later on, I proudly served as bassist to one of his earliest Guitar Craft students, Lon Jones, in the Tulsa, OK band "Cavu."   It's been years since I've caught up with RF, but he made his philosophy known to all back when he spoke out more openly.  Let me provide my thoughts:

Back in the early days, RF did smoke cigarettes, and he has long been a consumer of caffeine as is famously known.  However, he has also had a serious interest in diet and purity of food, so I don't believe he dabbled in the hallucinogenics that others of the era were experimenting with (Chris Squire's consumption of LSD early on for example). 

I gather that RF probably was somewhat revulsed by the things he saw happen on the evolving prog scene in London, and avoided the drugs entirely except for the ciggies.  I believe he also tipped a pint or two, absolutely normal in Britain.  He is now firmly against smoking and pursues a very healthy lifestyle and diet. 

When Fripp first decided to become a professional guitarist, he launched into a very serious study regime of at least 6 hours/day of practice.  Drugs would have been a distraction from his goal.  He has written extensively about the need for discipline related to his Guitar Craft education efforts, worth reading about.  Crafties lead a very austere lifestyle, and drug use is absolutely forbidden. 

Hope this helps, I'm attaching a link to a great interview with Peter Banks that discusses the early era. 


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 12:37
Oops, here's the link, sorry!  The server I am using won't let me put the live link up for some reason.

http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes



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Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 12:41
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 12:49
Originally posted by cstack3

I believe he also tipped a pint or two, absolutely normal in Britain. 

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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 13:16
Originally posted by slidesandbends

Regardless of what personal beliefs are, its important to realize that those who did use responsibly (Just ask Steve Howe, Hackett, Derek Shulman) had distinctive creative edges.
Howe is the one I know about.  I doubt we can say that Howe always used responsibly, and I'm pretty sure that we can match up the times that he didn't with the low points of his career.  Fortunately he's seemed to keep things together for the past decade or so.


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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 13:16
Originally posted by cstack3

Oops, here's the link, sorry!  The server I am using won't let me put the live link up for some reason.

http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes

Wow what an interview. revealing at times. I like the part about Yes rehearsing like crazy after watching Crimson play! Fripp walking around in a cape like a monk? Nah that's impossible LOL. As for caffine I had a friend who had a girlfriend who had a friend who actually served Fripp breakfast once in a hotel in Montréal and she said that it was like serving a food critic. He requested some exotic coffee that they didn't have.


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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 13:44
My understanding about Fripp's abstinence is that of others here, and I also seem to recall Gabriel having similar views. Drug taking was not obligatory!

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Posted By: slidesandbends
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 14:33
Is it suggested that Howe really did do alot? Ive seen him imply things in interviews but do you think marijuana was a regularity with lsd?


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 21:38
Originally posted by slidesandbends

Is it suggested that Howe really did do alot? Ive seen him imply things in interviews but do you think marijuana was a regularity with lsd?

I once read that Tales from Topographic Oceans was conceived during a trans-Atlantic flight, when the whole band was high on hash!!  

Who knows?  Drugs were omnipresent in those years, I remember concerts in the early '70's when the smoke was so think you could barely see the stage!  God I miss those days!!   

The only prog guitarist I can think of who openly discussed his use of drugs was John McLaughlin.  Others who were famous users were the rock-gods like Clapton, Lennon, McCartney, etc.  What Howe did or didn't use, I don't know.  

However, Fripp was always VERY serious about his music, and probably never happy about drug use in Crimson.  That may be why the band had such a revolving door!  Don't think I've ever read about that, but it is something to consider. 

Let me try to post the link again (Peter Banks interview about the early Prog years).  That worked!  Cheers!
http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes - http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 21:38
I meant "thick"!


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 21:44
Originally posted by Slartibartfast


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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 22:11
For a few years in Crimson, he seemed interested in the occult. He recorded an album's worth of material with a witch somewhere in England (I suppose). He often played an abundance of tri-tone riffing that in the 18th century was forbidden by the church and many musicians that did play it, were accused of being in league with the Devil. Judy Dyble found him quite frightening to work with. But you know, people change and just for the record, he may very well had an interest in the occult from a historical point of view and not on a personal mission or cause to gain power. Nevertheless when listening to K.C., you couldn't help to think maybe Fripp's occult interest influenced the music. 


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 22:25
I've the impression that Fripp is something of a heavy drinker (to curb his synesthesia attacks).  Alcohol is a bit more harmful to the body than certain 'soft drugs' like marijuana, despite its legal status.




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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 22:44
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby

Originally posted by cstack3

Oops, here's the link, sorry!  The server I am using won't let me put the live link up for some reason.

http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes

Wow what an interview. revealing at times. I like the part about Yes rehearsing like crazy after watching Crimson play! Fripp walking around in a cape like a monk? Nah that's impossible LOL. As for caffine I had a friend who had a girlfriend who had a friend who actually served Fripp breakfast once in a hotel in Montréal and she said that it was like serving a food critic. He requested some exotic coffee that they didn't have.

Thanks for the reminder!  I first met Fripp at a suburban Chicago music store (my buddy who went with reminds me that the exact date was 18 June, 1979).  He had a roadie with named Fred, and Fred rather excitedly told Fripp about this great Jamaican restaurant he found where the cook specialized in fish!   Fripp's response was positive, albeit understated.   

This was during his "Exposure" period, and he made a lot of appearances around the Chicago area.  I noticed that after Lennon was shot, Fripp became much harder to connect with.   Weird dude, but where would we be without him?  


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 22:49
Originally posted by TODDLER

For a few years in Crimson, he seemed interested in the occult. He recorded an album's worth of material with a witch somewhere in England (I suppose). He often played an abundance of tri-tone riffing that in the 18th century was forbidden by the church and many musicians that did play it, were accused of being in league with the Devil. Judy Dyble found him quite frightening to work with. But you know, people change and just for the record, he may very well had an interest in the occult from a historical point of view and not on a personal mission or cause to gain power. Nevertheless when listening to K.C., you couldn't help to think maybe Fripp's occult interest influenced the music. 

From the man himself:

Sid Smith wrote, in his book In The Court Of King Crimson:

In June 1972, Fripp finished recording an album with a Wicca witch and journalist, called Walli Elmark. The album was called The Cosmic Children. Side one consists of Fripp and Elmark in conversation where she outlines her experiences and commitment to Wicca. On side two, she talks to DJ Jeff Dexter about cosmic children - spirits from other places who take physical forms such as Hendrix, Bolan, Bowie and Mike Gibbons, drummer with Badfinger. Talking to NME's Simon Stable, Fripp stated: “The function of the album is to reach out to the children like the drummer from Badfinger, I want to say; ‘You're not nutty, you're not a freak because you can't relate to what's around you’.” The Cosmic Children remains unreleased.


http://www.elephant-talk.com/discog/fripp/ - http://www.elephant-talk.com/discog/fripp/


Whew!  I knew that the LTIA band had some wiccan influence, but didn't know about this sh*te!!  



Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 19 2010 at 12:21
Originally posted by cstack3

Originally posted by TODDLER

For a few years in Crimson, he seemed interested in the occult. He recorded an album's worth of material with a witch somewhere in England (I suppose). He often played an abundance of tri-tone riffing that in the 18th century was forbidden by the church and many musicians that did play it, were accused of being in league with the Devil. Judy Dyble found him quite frightening to work with. But you know, people change and just for the record, he may very well had an interest in the occult from a historical point of view and not on a personal mission or cause to gain power. Nevertheless when listening to K.C., you couldn't help to think maybe Fripp's occult interest influenced the music. 

From the man himself:

Sid Smith wrote, in his book In The Court Of King Crimson:

In June 1972, Fripp finished recording an album with a Wicca witch and journalist, called Walli Elmark. The album was called The Cosmic Children. Side one consists of Fripp and Elmark in conversation where she outlines her experiences and commitment to Wicca. On side two, she talks to DJ Jeff Dexter about cosmic children - spirits from other places who take physical forms such as Hendrix, Bolan, Bowie and Mike Gibbons, drummer with Badfinger. Talking to NME's Simon Stable, Fripp stated: “The function of the album is to reach out to the children like the drummer from Badfinger, I want to say; ‘You're not nutty, you're not a freak because you can't relate to what's around you’.” The Cosmic Children remains unreleased.


http://www.elephant-talk.com/discog/fripp/ - http://www.elephant-talk.com/discog/fripp/


Whew!  I knew that the LTIA band had some wiccan influence, but didn't know about this sh*te!!  

This is very oddShocked   I first read a brief paragraph on the project in the booklet contained in "A Young Person's Guide To King Crimson". LP.  The cd has the duplicate but my reading glasses are a burden. 


Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: February 19 2010 at 12:27
Originally posted by SaltyJon

^ Exactly.  Look at Frank Zappa, for instance. 


Agreed



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