Didier Lockwood vs. Robby Steinhardt
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Topic: Didier Lockwood vs. Robby Steinhardt
Posted By: Logan
Subject: Didier Lockwood vs. Robby Steinhardt
Date Posted: February 19 2010 at 23:42
 wikipedia wrote:
Didier Lockwood (born February 11, 1956) is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people - French jazz violinist.
He was born in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais - Calais and studied classical violin and composition at the Calais Conservatory. However, his brother http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Lockwood&action=edit&redlink=1 - Francis
made him receptive to forms of music other than the classical and he
quit his studies in 1972. Didier was entranced by the improvisation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Ponty - Jean-Luc Ponty on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa - Frank Zappa 's King Kong album and took up the amplified violin. He joined the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock - progressive rock group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma_%28band%29 - Magma , touring and notable featured on their 1975 Live/Hhaï album. Lockwood was also influenced by Polish violinist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Seifert - Zbigniew Seifert and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Grappelli - Stéphane Grappelli , whom he joined on tour.
He has also played with Québécois fusion group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzeb - Uzeb on their Absolutely Live album.
He is famous for exploring new musical environments and for
performing various sound imitations on his amplified violin, such as
seagulls or trains.
On July 23, 1982, in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux - Montreux , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland - Switzerland , he performed in concert with guitarist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Holdsworth - Allan Holdsworth , drummer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Cobham - Billy Cobham , bassist/vocalist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Bruce - Jack Bruce , and keyboardist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sancious - David Sancious .
Didier Lockwood created a string instruments improvisation school, CMDL (Centre des Musiques Didier Lockwood), in 2001.
He has also composed several film scores, like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Les_Enfants_de_la_Pluie&action=edit&redlink=1 - Les Enfants de la Pluie .
He is married to singer http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caroline_Casadesus&action=edit&redlink=1 - Caroline Casadesus .
Throughout 2006 Didier has been touring with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Taylor_%28guitarist%29 - Martin Taylor the Jazz guitarist http://www.scotlandontv.tv/scotland_on_tv/video.html?vxSiteId=60fdd544-9c52-4e17-be7e-57a2a2d76992&vxChannel=Music%20More&vxClipId=1380_SMG1756&vxBitrate=300 - [1] . In these performances it is noticeable to see that he is very involved in improvisation. |
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wikipedia wrote:
Robby Steinhardt (born May 25, 1950) is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music - rock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violin - violinist and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singer - singer best known for his work with the group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_%28band%29 - Kansas , for which he was co-lead singer / "frontman" and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emcee - emcee along with keyboardist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Walsh_%28musician%29 - Steve Walsh , from 1973–1982 and 1997–2006. In the interim, he fronted his own band, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steinhardt-Moon&action=edit&redlink=1 - Steinhardt-Moon .
He has said that unless he has a writing credit on a song—his credits
include about a half dozen songs—the violin (and occasional viola) part
was written out for him, usually by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Livgren - Kerry Livgren . His departure from the band after the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_Confessions - Vinyl Confessions tour in 1982 was for personal reasons.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robby_Steinhardt&action=edit§ion=1 - edit ] Early life
Steinhardt grew up in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence,_Kansas - Lawrence, Kansas and was the adopted son of Milton Steinhardt, director of music history at the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas - University of Kansas .
He started violin lessons at an early age and was classically trained.
He has often said that joining a rock band caused him to develop poor
playing habits, one of which is awkwardly holding his violin to the
side of his head in order to hear himself better through the guitar
amps and PA system.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robby_Steinhardt&action=edit§ion=2 - edit ] Work with Kansas
Steinhardt's violin sound, and its interplay with the guitar and
keyboards, helped define the Kansas sound. His lead vocals provided a
contrast to the high tenor of singer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Walsh_%28musician%29 - Steve Walsh . The two often sang in harmony, with Steinhardt taking the lower voice.
In early 2006, Steinhardt once again left Kansas, due mostly to
overtouring and conflict with other band members. Since Steinhardt
rejoined the band in 1997, the touring pace had been pretty hectic,
averaging almost 100 shows per year. As part of a mutual agreement, he
left Kansas once again. Violinist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ragsdale - David Ragsdale (Steinhardt's original replacement), quickly replaced him. |
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 00:28
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I never really was blown away by Steinhardt. I mean he was competent and definitely integral to the classic Kansas sound. However, he never really melted my face like Ponty, Goodman, Sloan, or Ragsdale. I don't know the other guy's work tho, so I can't vote. However, since he's a jazz violinist, he's probably better. :D
On his quitting Kansas, I heard it was mainly because he was just in it to be on stage; he wasn't really trying to be a good musician and would frequently forget lyrics, screw up violin parts, etc. I think his rejoining the band was just kind of a nostalgic joyride, instead of a serious effort. Hence, Walsh, who conversely takes everything way too seriously, gave him the boot. He was probably in the right, but I get the sense that Walsh is a real dick sometimes. After all, he's friends with Trent Gardner and we know how popular he is here... 
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 02:12
Didler Lockwood.
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 02:21
I can't not vote for a guy whose name looks like "Diddler Lockwood".
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 02:43
Although his output was minimal, I have to vote for lockwood just because his performance was so amazing on Magma's live album. That might be my favourite violin playing on any album I've heard.
Also for the reasons Man Overboard mentioned.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 02:58
^^ Diddler Lockwood vs. Rubby Stayin'hard.
^I love that performance too. I also liked his work on Zao - Live! and Zao's Kawana, And he's done good stuff with Clearlight, and nice work with Gong. And he also contributed to Rahmann, which is very good. http://www.myspace.com/rahmannzeuhl - http://www.myspace.com/rahmannzeuhl
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 03:12
Never heard that other guy. But I still don't think he could beat Robby
Steinhardt for me. Few can. Kansas was my first prog rock love and he's
such an integrated and important part of that sound he'll always have
immense value for me. Lovely violinist!
Unfair? The guy is losing anyway!
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 12:26
Lockwood for me. I enjoy the albums I've heard him on more than the albums I've heard Steinhardt on by far, with Live/Hhai being a prime example of excellence.
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 12:40
Since I really don't like Kansas, I have no choice but to vote for Lockwood.
Oh, and he's good. 
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 12:44
Lockwood for me as well. His work on Magma and Zao albums makes it an easy choice.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 12:49
SaltyJon wrote:
Lockwood for me. I enjoy the albums I've heard him on more than the albums I've heard Steinhardt on by far, with Live/Hhai being a prime example of excellence.
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His performance on "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh" off Retrospektiw 1-2 is also excellent. I love that version of MDK. Based on what I've heard, I think that Lockwood is a more versatile violinist. Technically, I don't know that he's that outstanding, but I really like much of his work.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 13:43
Logan wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Lockwood for me. I enjoy the albums I've heard him on more than the albums I've heard Steinhardt on by far, with Live/Hhai being a prime example of excellence.
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His performance on "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh" off Retrospektiw 1-2 is also excellent. I love that version of MDK. Based on what I've heard, I think that Lockwood is a more versatile violinist. Technically, I don't know that he's that outstanding, but I really like much of his work.
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Yeah, that's another good example of what he can do.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 13:46
Logan wrote:
^^ Diddler Lockwood vs. Rubby Stayin'hard.
^I love that performance too. I also liked his work on Zao - Live! and Zao's Kawana, And he's done good stuff with Clearlight, and nice work with Gong. And he also contributed to Rahmann, which is very good. http://www.myspace.com/rahmannzeuhl - http://www.myspace.com/rahmannzeuhl
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I'm going to have to get that Rahmann album...I listened to some of the samples there, pretty awesome stuff.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 21 2010 at 10:53
Lockwood, especially for his incredible performance on Live/Hhai.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 21 2010 at 11:16
Harry Hood wrote:
Didler Lockwood. |
Hey HarryHood (or should I say Neal Morse judging by your avatar ?), your signature is disturbing : Nick Mason is alive, and he is neither the voice nor the guitar of PF.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 21 2010 at 14:33
Possibly a better comparison would be Lockwood vs Jean Luc Ponty, and maybe Steinhardt vs Eddie Jobson or Darryl Way.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: February 21 2010 at 22:18
lucas wrote:
Harry Hood wrote:
Didler Lockwood. |
Hey HarryHood (or should I say Neal Morse judging by your avatar ?), your signature is disturbing : Nick Mason is alive, and he is neither the voice nor the guitar of PF.
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ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES
That was Nick as the sole voice of PF, right?  Also, he played guitar on Outside The Wall (live).
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