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Bill Bruford and Ringo Starr

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Topic: Bill Bruford and Ringo Starr

Posted By: marktheshark
Subject: Bill Bruford and Ringo Starr
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:30

I don't where this thread should be, be I'll let the mods decide this.

Everytime I listen to ABWH's debut album track Order of the Universe and when it comes to Bill's little snipet solo, I just can't help but notice an uncanny resemblence to Ringo's little solo on The End despite the electronic smothering.

Listen yourself, was Bill doing a little homage? Bill has a rather quirky sense of humor that he would keep very vague that I noticed when I went to one of his drum clinics. I should've asked him about this!

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Posted By: marktheshark
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 18:34

JLocke did a response as per email, but for some reason it's not showing up.

"Was it an homage, or a jab? I'm unfamiliar with Bill's opinion on Ringo. Does he respect him?"

I wouldn't think of it as a jab. So far, almost ALL rock drummers, prog or not, have had nothing but the upmost respect for Ringo despite his lack of technical ability. Here he was doing some of the most innovative works for a drummer at the time like on songs Rain, She Said She Said, A Day in the Life, Strawberry Fields etc

Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 18:44

Ringo, just like Keith Moon, deserves a lot of respect.

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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 18:56

marktheshark wrote:

JLocke did a response as per email, but for some reason it's not showing up.

"Was it an homage, or a jab? I'm unfamiliar with Bill's opinion on Ringo. Does he respect him?"

I wouldn't think of it as a jab. So far, almost ALL rock drummers, prog or not, have had nothing but the upmost respect for Ringo despite his lack of technical ability. Here he was doing some of the most innovative works for a drummer at the time like on songs Rain, She Said She Said, A Day in the Life, Strawberry Fields etc

It isn't showing up because I deleted it. I deleted it for a reason. I would rather not have my posts quoted after I make such a decision. Wink

I deleted my post because I knew as soon as I posted it that was I was saying wasn't a very good point, so I didn't think it was worth talking about. For all the same reasons you just gave.

Posted By: marktheshark
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 19:05

JLocke wrote:

It isn't showing up because I deleted it. I deleted it for a reason. I would rather not have my posts quoted after I make such a decision. Wink

I deleted my post because I knew as soon as I posted it that was I was saying wasn't a very good point, so I didn't think it was worth talking about. For all the same reasons you just gave.

It's cool, Locke, you didn't insult me and I'm sure you didn't insult Ringo. In fact, you raised a very good question.

Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 19:08

funny, these two together in a topic. In a hardaysnight ringo felt unnappreciated.

I saw bruford in a drum clinic in sd 20 years ago. He took questions. I raised my hand. he said "In the back"

I ask him how do i play a drum roll with a smooth attack as opposed to a left right left right accent?

he told me to accent the accent on the opposite side.

Swear to god. In person. Bill Bruford

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Posted By: marktheshark
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 19:18

halabalushindigus wrote:

funny, these two together in a topic. In a hardaysnight ringo felt unnappreciated.

I saw bruford in a drum clinic in sd 20 years ago. He took questions. I raised my hand. he said "In the back"

I ask him how do i play a drum roll with a smooth attack as opposed to a left right left right accent?

he told me to accent the accent on the opposite side.

Swear to god. In person. Bill Bruford

You must've saw him when he was just getting Earthworks going. I saw him around 2002-2003 in Columbus OH.

Interesting about the accents. Because Ringo would do just that. Because of his approach of leading with the left hand (he was actually left-handed) on his fills as opposed to the right, he would "flam" the accents with both hands instead of like, rimshotting with one. That's what made Ringo so unique.

Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 19:25

marktheshark wrote:

JLocke wrote:

It isn't showing up because I deleted it. I deleted it for a reason. I would rather not have my posts quoted after I make such a decision. Wink

I deleted my post because I knew as soon as I posted it that was I was saying wasn't a very good point, so I didn't think it was worth talking about. For all the same reasons you just gave.

It's cool, Locke, you didn't insult me and I'm sure you didn't insult Ringo. In fact, you raised a very good question.

Okay, then.

Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 03:08

He's always been my least favorite Beatle... Tongue

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 01 2010 at 16:38

Is it a joke? Not that I don't like Beatles, but it's like comparing Roger Waters with Jaco Pastorius.

Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 03:47

octopus-4 wrote:

Is it a joke? Not that I don't like Beatles, but it's like comparing Roger Waters with Jaco Pastorius.

Interesting thought, but would Jaco have done that lovely understated approach that allowed Floyd to extend musical perforamnce? After all Guy Pratt got a lot of flak for his more pyrotechnical approach on the Momentary Lapse tour.

Granted Jaco is / was so technically gifted (Come On Come Over is such a blast for example) but Waters' talents were clearly in composition of expansive theatrical pieces. Sorry going OT there all but just had to interject. I gather you mean comparing bass players; I think Water acknowledged this with having bassists on his Radio Kaos album for a more contemporary sound.