Moonchild vs Providence
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Topic: Moonchild vs Providence
Posted By: Epignosis
Subject: Moonchild vs Providence
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 13:25
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Haven't done a poll in a while, so here is a quickie. These two pieces mar otherwise brilliant albums for me. Of the two, which do you prefer? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 13:26
| Providence. |
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 13:30
| i oddly like moonchild but i ahte the 5 minutes of senseless playing |
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 13:31
| *hate |
Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 13:31
| Providence for me as well. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 13:31
| I don't think either mars anything, but then this is only my opinion. In any case, I voted for "Moonchild", which has always held a sort of odd appeal for me. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 13:45
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I think "Providence", but I like both tracks. Maybe I have a slight bias because the track is named after my hometown.  |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 13:49
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Providence being bad is news to me. Moonchild's infamous status is, instead, undeserved. It's brilliant. Gets my vote, too. ------------- 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 14:03
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Ricochet wrote:Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 14:42
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"Providence" does not bring down Red at all and creates a great sense of darkness and paranoia. "Moonchild" is one of the most boring w**kfests I've ever heard.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 14:44
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I choose Moonchild.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 14:55
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Providence is brilliant. My favorite piece on that album. Moonchild is alright. ------------- 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:11
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56652&KW=MOONCHILD&PID=3191619#3191619 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56652&KW=MOONCHILD&PID=3191619#3191619 ------------- 
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:18
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Having heard (way too) many improvs from 73-74 line-up, I still don't get why they chose the Providence one over other (imho) far more brilliant instant compositions. That said, I find this noodling a tad more interesting than the one on Moonchild. But then, Moonchild has a song in there, somewhere. Hard choice. Good thing the 2009 remaster of ITCOTCK cuts out a few minutes of the clatter. No vote, really... |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:21
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65855 -
To be honest...I don't care ! Why not discuss some other bands like the first australian symphonic prog band, Sebastian Hardie, a criminally forgotten band, even in the prog circles...see here : http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65855
ITCOTCK and Red can not be compared because one is symphonic prog and the other dark/hard prog.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:26
Once again, thanks for your always helpful input. 
King Crimson's debut is not just symphonic and Red is not just dark/hard prog. Also, they can be compared. Also, we're not considering whole albums. Also, I have half a mind to spam the thread to which you linked in a similar fashion, but I will not do that. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:30
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Those two are songs that I least like from each album, but I do get enjoyment out of both, more so with Moonchild. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:33
| Providence is the highlight of a basically decent album, Moonchild one of the many highlights of a great, great record. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:35
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Providence is a great track on a peerless album, whilst Moonchild is, to me, a slight distraction on an otherwise great LP.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:38
Wow, that's a first! Collaborator spamming the board!  |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:57
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^
I thought prog encompasses more bands than KC, Yes, Genesis, ELP and Dream Theater... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 16:35
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Providence for me. Brilliant track full of atmosphere, particularly the full version on The Great Deceiver. Not much of a fan of Moonchild, or ITCOTCK in general. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: guyeylon
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 16:40
| I say Providence. The part where everyone comes in and then John Wetton starts playing a bass riff, and the whole band joins him with that riff, that's brilliant. Oh, and of course it segues wonderfully into "Starless", King Crimson's Greatest track IMHO. On Moonchild, There's nothing really in it for me other than the first three minutes. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 18:20
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I actually like both, but Providence is much the better piece.
Moonchild's improvised section is a bold step into the unknown, but only Fripp is really comfortable with it (and Lake notoriously wouldn't have anything to do with it). It's not a piece by experienced improvisers, but two good musicians dabbling in free improvisation under the auspices of a third who was keen to explore the possibilities.
Providence is a piece where all the musicians are fully committed, and they have been playing free improvisations together for some time; it's debatable whether there's any such thing as 'free rock', but the '73 - '74 King Crimson had a pretty convincing stab at it (although Henry Cow did it far better, as did Can). ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 18:32
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Providence ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 18:39
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Tough call.
I want to go with Providence, but something about Moonchild is calling me.
Moonchild it is. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 19:06
| Call her moonchiiiild... |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 20:15
Yes, it does. But that gives you no right to spam a perfectly fine poll, and criticize it at the same time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 20:24
I thought of a dozen epic retorts, but I did not wish to sully my generally admirable reputation.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 20:40
I could have been SO much more epic and memorable in my post as well, but stifled myself as well.  -------------
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 20:47
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This is a close call, but I went with Moonchild, mainly because I feel it provides some much needed downtime between the extremely intense surrounding tracks.
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 22:12
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Providence easily. I always thought it fit in well with the rest of Red. I could never get into Moonchild and always skip it. If that weren't on the album, ITCOTK would be much more amazing than it already is in my opinion. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 22:51
Yes, however that doesn't mean we can't make new threads about them. As far as I'm concerned, I prefer Moonchild, since that at least has got a few minutes of proper song, which I as a matter of fact like. If I were to choose only between the improvisation part of Moonchild and Providence, then I might as well choose the later. Still, I also think they could have chosen a far better improv from that era to include in the album. |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: March 18 2010 at 23:30
| Providence, by far. I don't hate Moonchild, but I don't feel like it adds much aside from a bold statement. Providence is an essential piece of a perfect album. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 03:01
Also bear in mind the version which made it onto the album release was considerably shortened; if you hear the remastered album, it has the full version - challenging, but ultimately satisfying. Moonchild for me too. ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 03:07
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Both are classic songs of two different eras. I personnally like both but cannot compare them to each other as they are very different from one another : moonchild is more in the romantic mood and features vocals, while providence is entirely instrumental and is clearly something of free/avant-rock. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 06:51
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Posted By: 12212112
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 11:57
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I choosed moochild but I love both tracks. The reason why I picked the older track is because it is more polite with the ears. Providence has one of the best drummin I`ve ever heard, but it takes like 5 minutes to begin hearing the actual song... so it can get a little bit boring ------------- cha chan, cha cha chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa cha cha cha cha |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 12:51
| I pick Providence ... I actually didn't even realise it was a jam until I read that here, and I have always enjoyed it. In fact, I remember thinking it was one of the stronger tracks on the album my first time through. Moonchild, sometimes hits me just right, but more often than not just inspires me to hit the "skip" button. (This is a bit disappointing, as the opening song was actually quite nice) |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 13:11
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I actuall< like both "Moonchild" and "Providence", and I don't consider them to be just senseless noodling at all. I usually like totally free music. Strangely I don't like the second disc of the "Live" album of Henry Cow. The reason is that hwere the musicians really never seem to find together at all, which can not be said of the improvistional part of "Moonchild" or "Providence"; there obciously is a lot of interaction there. But somehow I can't find that in the free improvisations of Henry Cow. I like the Can improvisations a lot, also what Amon Düül do in tracks like "The Marilyn Monroe Memorial Church". Not tro mention Annexus Quam's "Beziehungen" or the live album of Anima (a band which for some reason is not in the archives). There are a lot of other artists I could mention here too. But strangely only these Henry Cow tracks from the live album get on my nerves. Search me why. Since my method of listening to an album is listening to all of it, whether I like it or not, I heard these rtracks a lot of time, but they just don't get any better. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 14:36
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Both tracks are fit to deprive an album of its masterpiece status, but if I have to choose between these two, I vote for Providence. Providence can still be called music somehow, whereas Moonchild is 10 minutes of useless jingle-jangle on toys after the vocals have stopped.
By the way, I like the first two or three minutes of Moonchild. ------------- 
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 16:20
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Providence is far from bad, but it feels a little out of place to me. (and no, not because it's live) Moonchild is slightly better in my opinion so I'm going with that.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 20:23
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I find Moonchild to be fresher and more original. ------------- 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 20:33
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I don't remember any of these tracks. I guess they are not on the albums I have? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 20:41
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hahhahha... don't remember Moonchild? that is like forgetting either the best sex you've had in your life... or the worst  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 23:37
| Providence. |
Posted By: santiagomo87
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 14:05
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The one who made me google who this "David Cross" was. ------------- Santiago |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 15:06
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I like both. I like Providence much more.
------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 17:08
| Providence for sure, though I do agree with the earlier comment that it's far from the best of the band's live improvs. Maybe they felt it was the one that segued best into Starless. |