I still wonder if some day I should go back to Mac, though. Both soft- and hardware seemed to be superior.

 

Used macs before, nothing fancy IMO. Not necessarily worse, but not any better from my expeirence.

 

Linux is the bees knees - I rather enjoy using Fedora with the KDE desktop (any OS that calls its music player Amarok can't be all bad )

So PC then....me too.

Macs run Linux too, so no, not 'PC, then'. Linux is an operating system, not a brand of computer. 

I think that should have been the poll question. ''Windows, OS X, or other''. Less confusion.

Anyway, I'm an OS X user. People who think it sucks obviously haven't used it within the past few years. It really has grown leaps and bounds beyond anything Windows has done. 

Why would anyone run Linux on a Mac ?

I know Linux is an OS...duh!

Start your own poll if you don't like the question.

Jesus Christ!!!!!!

Why would anyone run Linux on a PC?

I know Linux is an OS...duh!

Good to know. 

Start your own poll if you don't like the question.

Kiss my ass, Snow Dog. You made an assumption about the hardware someone was using based on what OS he said he liked. I was simply pointing out something I thought should have been obvious, that Linux =/= PC. He most likely does run it on a PC, but since this poll is using hardware terms rather than OS terms, it makes it harder to distinguish. 

Jesus Christ!!!!!!

Thor!!!!!!!

I won't be kissing your ass ...I'll be ramming a red hot poker right up it.

Tit.

 

 

I could also point out that Windoze has also grown in the same time and Linux is so polished and professional now you would wonder why anyone ever pays for an O/S anymore.

 

I don't like OS X because I don't like the direction it has taken operating systems in, in the same way I don't like the same dumbing-down route that Vista and Win7 has also taken. ("I'm a computer illiterate kindergarten teacher and Windows 7 was my idea *sickly innane grin*"). Don't make computer's simpler - make people smarter!

Load of people use Linux on PC btw...but I'm sure you know taHT.

Oh, yes, How DARE the average joe be able to actually get his money's worth when buying a home computer? I want my products to work perfectly (or as perfectly as possible) right out of the box, thanks. And if that makes me somehow inferior to you, then I honestly don't care. I have better things to do with my life than learn the ins and outs of computers. I just want them to work, and Macs work best for me. 

I'm not dumb just because I prefer to use Macs. And you're not smart because you use Linux. It's preference, alrighty? 

I would say that most people who use Linux use it on PCs. 

I was just arguing for the sake of it, bro. Don't take me seriously. 

But this did happen to an English King......one of the Edwards I think.

 

 

All operating systems work perfectly out of the box and for 90% of all users there really isn't an issue - if you are that bothered by whether OS X is better or worse than Windows or Linux then you are already elevated above dumb onto some smarter plane of existence since you would evidently be aware that there is such a thing as an operating system and that it is far more capable than simply browsing the interwebs, playing games and sending emails. At surface level all these operating systems are exactly the same - they all do the same things in essentially the same intuitive way to achieve exactly the same outcome - it's only when you delve deeper, (or have to delve deeper I should say), do you find that there are differences and these differenced determine what you can do, what you are allowed to do and how easy it is to do it. What Microsoft and Apple have done is actually made the OS more complcated that it practically needs to be, so that when (not if) Joe Public busts it it is exponentially harder to fix, and that makes my life harder and more complicated than it needs to be.

 

okay?

When I buy a quad core 2GHz piece of hardware with 4GB of RAM and a huge feck-off harddrive I want it to do my processing, not just to power the OS - I really do wonder how much of this hardware I'm buying is just to make OS software look good.

Windows certainly does inhabit a lot of resources.....and the more you give it the more it'll take. And it dumps fragments everywhere.

Tough. People like myself prefer Windows 7 and OS X to WIn 3.1 and DOS. You and people like you who want things to stay exactly as they are tend to baffle me plenty. Sure, there can be drawbacks, but there are tons of improvements as well, especially for folks like me who only want an easy to use home device for music and video editing, web surfing, e-mailing, and everything else in-between. Every single PC I ever owned always ended up with something seriously wrong before three years passed. Without fail. Don't talk to me about the 90%. I'm part of the ten percent who had MAJOR issues with Windows-based machines. I kept virus scanners on, firewalls up, and unnecessary junk out. I took care of my computers. And how did they thank me? They broke. 

So forgive me sir if I and all others with my problems have rained on your parade by asking companies to make easier-to-use equipment. The beautiful thing is that you can still do stuff the hard way if you want to. If that's 'easier' for you, have at it, hoss. Go build a PC from the ground up, use Linux or some other obscure OS nobody cares about. I don't care enough about your personal preference to elaborate much on my views. Yes, I gave my opinion on Macs and why I prefer them. But I didn't target PC users and insinuate that they are somehow stupid or ignorant simply because they choose to use a different product than I. But nearly everyone I come across who opposes modern day Windows or OS X seems to take it all so personally. I just don't get it. So you think OS X dumbs things down. For most people who want computers to simply work, that isn't a problem. Out of the 90% of happy PC users you mentioned, I guarantee you only about 7% or less actually care one way or the other about the stuff you're talking about. For everybody else, it's live and let live. 

Yeah, we can discuss our preferences and why, but when you start blaming people over this and say the only reason they don't share your take on computers is because they need to be 'made smarter', you bet your life I'm going to take offense to that. 

Go tinker away with your toys, that's fine. But don't be so bitter just because everybody else now has the chance to join your club and enjoy computers, also. There is room for everybody, right? The personal computer was meant for the masses to conveniently enjoy, not for a single clique of tech-heads to fiddle around with. Yeah, those guys can do that too, but that's not the home computer's only function. 

Anytime an innovative, helpful tool can be configured for use by everybody, that can and should be a good thing.

I don't like Floyd Roses, either. But I don't act as if people who use them are in need of education. It's just personal taste, as I said. Do you not agree with that? Or do you honestly think we simpletons choose easier-to-use OS because we are literally incapable of anything more?

 

Or you could just use this:

Tighten it up and toss away the tremolo bar.  'Tis what I did, and I never would have used the damn thing, anyway.

 I've been caught!

I was unlucky enough to be coaxed into buying my very first guitar by a Metal-Head. So naturally, he praises the Jackson Dinky and says it's the best value for my budget. Well, it IS a pretty great guitar, it turns out. Just wish I had known about the floating bridge systems before my purchase, or else I may have gone a different route and saved myself some headaches along the way. 

I wouldn't have even come out of hiding. Would have been for the best, methinks.

Well, back into my hole I go. See ya 'round, guys! 

I'm so sorry!  

 

I'm not going to forgive you anything because frankly there's nothing to forgive - you cannot and do not dictate to Steve Jobs and Bill Gates how the next version of their software should look, feel and behave - it's simply not your fault and they wouldn't listen to you anyway. If you like what they give you then good for you - enjoy - I choose not to.

 

So if you think I am nerdy tech head who want to tinker with my toys then I've seriously misled you somewhere along the way. I'm just the office idiot who gets called upon to fix other peoples workstations, iPhones and Blackberries while trying to get my own non-tinkering workk done just because I know something about the subject.

 

 

Anyway, anyone know how to print from an iPhone to a wireless printer?

 

I know how to set up my FR and can and do do it - I said I didn't like doing it - big difference. Crap, why do these simple analogies get blown out of all proportion on this bloody forum?

 

I'm not scoffing at Mac users, or PC users - I'm scoffing at Apple AND Microsoft (if I'm scoffing at all).

 

Who the hell said I wanted things to stand still? - I'm all for progress and making life simple, but it's not working out like that is it. Operating systems can be simple without being so flipping complicted under the surface. Point and Click ... what's so fecking difficult about that? All I ask is that they make the stuff you can't see and you aren't interested in a little less complicated and a hell of easier to fix when it breaks.

 

I'm not intentially championing Linux - I've only two PC's in my domain that use it and they are not my every-day workstations, but they are the least problematic of all the systems I have to support and from a user level they work exactly the same as Windows or OS X systems  - Point and Click - job done.

I'm going with Mac.

 

i have no comments as what i just read over the last 3 pages was too good to respond to...

Same story with me, bro. 

All I can do is vote in favor of my own experiences. Based on that, Macs have seemed to be the better choice. For me. 

Made me think of this.

 

I also question claims of relative reliability and stability.

 

The majority of PC unreliability (in my experience) is caused by viral infection failing to do the job it was designed to do and just end up stopping the OS from working as it should, which results in instability. Macs are only virus proof to the extent that most viruses are writen for PCs because PCs are a larger target audience at the moment. Mac viruses, trojans, worms and malware have been around for several years - when the installed base gets big enough Macs will get targetted more actively and they are only slightly more robust than PCs at defending themselves - which is a function of the Unix foundation OS X is built upon, not of OS X itself - given time and effort virus writers will find their way around that. Most hackers are Linux/Unix experts - at the moment they are using that knowledge to target Linux-based Servers and Internet hosts to deliver anti-PC payloads - it's only a matter of time before the payloads will be platform independant.

 

 

 

 

and thisa

 

You ain't gonna give up are ya?

Modded PCs are the equivalent of this:

 

...now show me a good looking (and dare I say "pretty") off-the-shelf PC

 

 

...and please, not Alienware - they may appeal to an 8 year old, but damn they're butt-ugly.

There is nothing to give up. I made a statement about what I think the poll was actually eluding to. People use "Mac & PC" all the time as the equivalent to "OS X & Windows". I'm not arguing or even debating, anymore. I'm talking. Is that allowed in your world? 

Am I allowed to quote your post and comment in your world?

I disagree anyway....but only the thread creator can answer that question.

If it was my thread it woulkd be "Mac or PC"? As it is here.

You've got to be kidding me.

 

 

Then, the iPad is just a giant comedic iPhone...

I thought he was calling Macs 'iPhone computers', which would be a gross oversimplification. Apple made home computers a reality long before Microsnooze streamlined the concept and made them more affordable/accessible, so talking about Macs as if they are derivatives of the iPhone is just incorrect. 

And don't get me started on the iPad.

I never said Apple were successful back then, did I? I said they got the ball rolling in home-aimed computers (or at least, that's all I was trying to say). GUI was also theirs (No, I know they didn't invent it. But they were the first to perfect it. The Lisa introduced the fully functional interface complete with windows, menu bars and so forth).

You obviously know more than I do, so I'm just going to stop posting in this thread. ''I like Macs, get over it,''  I guess is the bottom line. If I'm doing it for status, I'm sure not aware of it. I just like the way they work for my needs. 

 

So, you had an original iMac (G3) then Micah? (an assumption based in your reaction to the status symbol quip) - there is no doubt that Jonathan Ive's styling of that machine completely turned around Apples' fortunes (makes one proud to be British ) because at the time the price tag at double the equivalent PC price was a lot to pay for something that works in exactly the same way as any other desk-top computer.

 

Comparing this poll with a similar poll of a couple of years ago shows that Mac's are more popular now than then - and I'm sure that "price" and "status" are not the reasons for that change. All Mac users tell me that they are "better" and they "work for my needs" - that's fine, but I think the "I like Macs, get over it" reply is probably closer to the mark.

Better.. 

I'm so much happier with Mac OS than the freezing machine... I like Macs, get over it