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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
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Topic: Arsenal (Russia)Posted By: Logan
Subject: Arsenal (Russia)
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 15:10
From sources I've read, this is the USSR's biggest name jazz-rock and progressive rock band, but I didn't find it in PA. Not to be confused with Belgium's Arsenal. I don't even habve any albums, but perhaps others are familiar.
The first track I have a link to is a good acid-oriented/ electronicy track. The second I have from the same album is not so convincing for PA,, nor is the third (which reminds me of some Vangelis). Certainly sounds like a smooth-jazz, New Age oriented band. That third track gets more up-beat and not in a positive for PA sort of way.
From rateyourmusic: http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB - http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB/%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8_%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8__created_with_their_own_hands_/ - Своими руками (Created with Their Own Hands)
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB/live_%D0%B2_%D0%BA%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B5_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5__live_at_the_forte_club_/ - Live в клубе Форте [Live at the Forte Club]
Appears on: http://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/various_artists_f2/%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B1_2_2___%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA%D0%B0__discoclub_2_2___jazz_music_/ - Дискоклуб 2(2). Джазовая музыка [Discoclub 2(2). Jazz Music] [ http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/various_artists_f2 - Various Artists ]
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB/%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC___i/ - Опаленные временем - I
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB/%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC___iv/ - Опаленные временем - IV
Appears on: http://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/various_artists_f2/%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2/ - Музыка для мозгов [ http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/various_artists_f2 - Various Artists ]
Isee that Arsenal has been mentioned in a topic before at PA by NotaProghead: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25100&PID=2040053#2040053 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25100&PID=2040053#2040053
Anyway, even though I only found that first track I listed convincing for PA from what little I've heard, I still though I'd mention it here.
Here's a quote from White Raven at http://www.discomusic.com/forums/showthread.php/29158-Back-In-USSR-vol.7-VESJOLYE-REBJATA?s=c4980b6dab15613d70d8b594bc391927&p=145442#post145442 - http://www.discomusic.com/forums/showthread.php/29158-Back-In-USSR-vol.7-VESJOLYE-REBJATA?s=c4980b6dab15613d70d8b594bc391927&p=145442#post145442 (yes, discomusic.com):
Some words about cosmic-style playing… I remember about one Soviet
project called “ARSENAL” in early 80’s up to the middle of the 80’s it
played something near to cosmic-style, something near to KRAFTWERK from
Western Germany, TELEX from Belgium, ROCKETS from France and YELLOW
MAGIC ORCHESTRA from Japan. The records were very-very rare, it was a
brave avant from electropop to wide electronics. I remember that I have
somewhere in my stock that old vinyl, but no any those LP’s and magnetic
bands are remastered to “digital” up to this time. “ARSENAL” was the
band of experiments and played in different manners (electronics, pock,
jazz) and music directions during all its career, I’m not sure (don’t
remember now) is that vinyl, that I have, sounding in “electronics” but,
I’ll try to find it at my home to answer to You. May be I’ll make it’s
remastering and restoration by myself, but can’t promise that I’ll make
it now and rapid because it’s not a simple and standard thing to any
vinyl, of course, if I want not only to save but to rise up the quality
of the record too...
Can't really judge based on three tracks (two of which I find unconvincing, but there is probably more appropraite music off albums), but hopefully others will chime in who know the band much better than I.
------------- Just a fanboy passin' through.
Replies: Posted By: Zebedee
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 15:25
Great band and definitely prog enough to be included in PA if you ask me.
Thanks for the suggestion
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 16:00
Arsenal is first ever Russian jazz-fusion band. Their earlier works are really progressive and quite experimental, and they are extremely important to all later Russian jazz-fusion artists.Starting from late 70-s, they were strongly influenced by break -dance/hip-hop culture and changed their style radically. Later they returned to more pop-jazz. Their leader Alexey Kozlov played solo and with his own band. They are still active and it looks in their most recent works they try to return to a bit more fusion sound of their earlier works. I own some their early albums, and in places their music is really great.I saw them live in late 70-s and it was one of the big shock (they played extremely innovative for the time hip-hop program with some theatrical show).
I believe they should be added to PA because of their earlier albums, but the problem is there are not many (public) samples from that time could be presented for evaluation
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 09:25
I also think ARSENAL should be on PA.
Some more samples:
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 07:35
^ Excellent samples, they sound like a clear case for JRF. Thanks Slava for bringing the suggestion to the team
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 06:04
Is the band under evaluation by JRF team?
------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 06:37
^ Yes.
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: August 03 2010 at 08:05
If ARSENAL will be added on PA I and (I hope) snobb will help with the bio.
------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: August 06 2010 at 09:24
Arsenal is cleared for addition by JRF team, Eugene - will you prepare their bio?
Posted By: Zebedee
Date Posted: August 06 2010 at 10:58
Great news
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Friendship is like wetting your pants: everyone can see it, but only you can feel its warmth.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 06 2010 at 12:28
The one I expressed qualms about got in so fast (of course I wasn't very familiar with the band, but I came across that first youtube track when searching youtube and thought it good enough to explore). Good job, and thanks for all of the comments.
------------- Just a fanboy passin' through.
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 16:15
snobb wrote:
Arsenal is cleared for addition by JRF team, Eugene - will you prepare their bio?
Sure, Slava. I've started it.
------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 16:21
NotAProghead wrote:
snobb wrote:
Arsenal is cleared for addition by JRF team, Eugene - will you prepare their bio?
Sure, Slava. I've started it.
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 02 2014 at 19:45
Folks,
None of my business, but the B3 title (*Манекен*) on the Second Wind should be either 'Mannequin', or 'Dummy', depending on the context (and/or on how sophisticated you want it to sound)
Posted By: apps79
Date Posted: November 03 2014 at 01:09
corrected, i went for the sophisticated version , thanks!
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: November 03 2014 at 07:54
LP cover had no translations. On CD "Nostalgie" it was translated as "A Model". Obviously "Mannequin" is the closest to "Манекен".
I have to say that translations on Arsenal CDs released by different labels sometimes differ.
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