Chetarca (Australian X-Over/Symphonic)
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Topic: Chetarca (Australian X-Over/Symphonic)
Posted By: AmericanProgster
Subject: Chetarca (Australian X-Over/Symphonic)
Date Posted: August 06 2010 at 22:57
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Another great 70s Aussie group. They released only one album in 75, which now is considered pretty obscure. But this group can be seen as the Australian ELP (because the main focus are the keyboards and bass, and because they were one of the few Aussie Symphonic prog groups at the time are among many reasons for the comparison). I have the album if any teams are interested. Thanks! -Tim ------------- https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach |
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 01:41
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I am interested
2 reasons
They are Australian
They are Symphonic
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 04:47
| Thanks for getting to this Scott, let me know if any help is needed. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 05:47
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^^ Hey thats cool, no problem. I am especially interested in Australian bands of course and really want to hear more from Chetarca. -------------
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 10:20
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I was going to suggest Chetarca, seems they have been already. Not cleared though yet. If anyone wants to hear the album it's here: http://grooveshark.com/#/artist/Chetarca/2122199" rel="nofollow - http://grooveshark.com/#/artist/Chetarca/2122199 Fun Fact: The bassist became co-founder for Men At Work. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 06:58
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Was this one forgotten? Seems like a lot of time since it was august 2010 when they were suggested. I couldn't think of any better place for them then symph. http://www.discogs.com/Chetarca-Chetarca/release/2597095" rel="nofollow - http://www.discogs.com/Chetarca-Chetarca/release/2597095 |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: July 26 2012 at 14:41
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They were rejected by crossover. Seeing as that's pretty much the only team I could see these guys fitting in, I'm not sure there's anywhere else to go. Sure, they have symphonic leanings, but it's wrought with pop/blues rock, so I don't think they'd have a chance there. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 13 2012 at 21:15
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Chetarca is considered an AOR band leaded by a "Men at Work" member. The only site that has them is PROGGNOSIS
They have their moments that remind me of ELP (Specially uin Oceanica suite), but not constant, for example Chetarca is very AORISH and Another Day is pure Blues based Rock (Sounds like Grand Funk Railroad) as well as "Death of a Rock Artist" Not a Symphonic candidate, IMHO a serious candidate for Prog Related for what I heard. Iván
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 13 2012 at 22:47
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It is very high quality AOR though. Most AOR makes me feel gross.
Update: After listening to that really long song, I'd agree with Prog Related for sure. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 06:33
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AOR!? Don't know where you all got that from... ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 08:22
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I mean, if you listen to the first song, I can understand AOR. But this should work somewhere on here. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 08:27
Yeah, crossover.  ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 08:28
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but andy said they have been rejected:(((((( ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 08:33
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Damn :( ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 14:25
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And if Xover rejected them, it's difficult to see where they would fit in. You've got more chance of shagging Marilyn Monroe tomorrow morning than getting them in symphonic (although, to be fair, they really don't fit there). ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 02:47
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 04:38
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Steve from Wales is right. If it doesn't fit even to Cross, it won't budge in Symphonic.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 11:08
And yet, they are closer to Prog than SADO. -------------
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 11:59
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I think prog-related would fit fine. Why not try dat ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 00:47
This is just an opinion, you forgot to add "IMO", which you've added in SADO thread. And besides, it ain't relevant to the discussion. We're discussing Chetarca, not SADO. Chetarca could be suggested to Prog-Related, this sounds like the best chance for them. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 10:26
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Well ok, prog-related might be the best case then. I did think people would find this intrusion of blues, harmonica and other stuff into keyboard music more charming than just watering down the prog. Should I be sending PM's then to special collaborators or does this already have attention of someone reading this thread? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 11:14
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Please, send me all the info availlable, and I will contact an Administrator to see if the addition is possioble. Thanks -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 11:15
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 11:20
Already took the case to an Administrator, we will have to wait until they decide. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 24 2012 at 09:07
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Well guys, the case was presented to the Administrator's Team and by reasons I understand, didn't accepted the band in Prog Related. There's nothing more we can do, they have the last word in this case and it was no. Iván -------------
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Posted By: sl75
Date Posted: April 18 2013 at 08:00
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This is a surprising outcome - I understand why symphonic would reject them, but not even prog-related? What were the reasons? I get that the decision is final - I'm interested in the reasons in case they apply to any other band I might want to suggest in the future. (There's a heap of Australian bands that don't seem to have been discussed here yet.)
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 18 2013 at 09:03
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Should be in crossover, or symph. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 20 2013 at 11:48
Please Irrelevant, we know what we do 1.- Crossover rejected them, THAT'S A SIGN THAT THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS PROG RELATED 2.- The three members of teh Symphonic Team, Lazland (with whom we rarely agree, SMURPH (Don't know him), Marty McFly, Andy Webb (Who's opinion I respect) and Sl75 agree they are not Symphonic. 3. Proggnosis says
4.- Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock doesn't even mention them 5.- DPRP Doesn't mention 6.- ProgressoR as long as I notice, doesn't even mentiobn Chetarca 7.- Progrtessiveears says:
Ambiguous to say the less 8.- ProgressiveRock.com (Strawberry Bricks), doesn't mention them 9.- Sea opf Tranquility doesn't mention them,
10.- I sent the band to the Prog Related team, and they (who know their work), decided Chetarca doesn't fit in Prog Related on August last year So it's evident, the band is not Symphonic. Sorry, I also believed they could be PR, but I respect the administrator's work. Iván
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 20 2013 at 11:55
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^ I stand by my opinion, not that it matters anyway. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: sl75
Date Posted: April 20 2013 at 12:29
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On a general point A lack of listing with X Y & Z may be more of a pointer to an artist's obscurity, rather than their lack of credentials. As far as I can tell from quick perusal, most of those sites cover hardly any Australian music of the era at all. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 20 2013 at 12:39
Luckilly we cover them
I'm almost sure Australia is one of the top 15 countries with more bands in PA....121 (Probably after Italy, UK, USA Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Japan Canada, Argentina and Brazil Iván
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Posted By: sl75
Date Posted: April 20 2013 at 13:10
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Be assured that I already knew how to find the Australia page. My observation was actually about 'Australian music of the era' (ie the 1970s) - with that qualification, there's only 26 Australian artists 'of the era' on this site so far. Better than most other international sites, but still not exhaustive. Deciding whether or not to include an artist by benchmarking against even less-exhaustive sites doesn't seem helpful. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 20 2013 at 14:46
Most of us are not Australian my friend, and for that reason unfamiliar with bands from this country. There are very rare Peruvian bands, and when I joined PA, I had to suggest, add and make the first reviews for Traffic Sound and Laghonia, because except Cesar Inca and Myself, few people knew about them. The teams are open and willing to receive your suggestions WITH SAMPLES AND FULL LIST OF RELEASES, which we will evaluate ASAP (Symph Team evaluates them normally in the first 24 hours), you can send me a PM and I assure you I'll forward it to my teammates immediately Norm, there are three possibilities 1.- It's Symphonic (Or Xover or Neo or whatever), then we accept them and add the band ASAP (We usually do this in the first 48 hours), wee need at least 2 positive votes and one abstention. We ask you, the band (if it exists) or any member idf they can write the bio, if not, we manage. 2.- It's Prog but doesn't fit in our genre, then we notify IMMEDIATELY the other team we believe the band fits better. 3.- It's not Prog so we notify in the original thread or the member, and if some Special Collaborator believes so, he notifies the Administrators for Prog Related. In the case of Chetarca, they were rejected by XOVER, of course by SYMPHONIC (even when we didn't need to do it when Xover already rejected them and didn't send them to us). I took the case personally and sent a PM to the Administrators for PR, but they decide and we respect their opinion. If you have a suggestion, you can send me a copy of it to my PM. Iván -------------
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 08:05
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Well, I was just about to suggest Chetarca as a missing piece of the Aussie prog jigsaw puzzle, given all the Aussie artists that have been added in my hiatus...and I stumble across this thread. I must admit the failure for Chetarca to get a guernsey in either Crossover or Symph surprises me. I have made a point of listening the Chetarca again right now and, other than the use of harmonica here and there (as part of Chetarca's eclecticism), I hear striking similarities to ELP, especially in parts of 'The Oceanic Suite' opus. To dismiss Chetarca based on the bluesy-ness of a short song like 'Another Day' and the use of some harmonica as part of their soundscape seems a bit like suggesting we dismiss ELP from Symph based on 'Benny the Bouncer' or 'Jeremy Bender'. Is that how I am reading the preceding discussions? Chetarca's work is not broad - just the one album - however it is mostly progressive from where I sit. Personally I would have no qualms whatsoever including Chetarca in Symphonic...and would do so before Crossover. IMO a rethink is really required here
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 11:30
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^ Agreed. Here they were given the "AOR" tag of all things, which to me is almost laughable. To sum up, we have a band that could at least easily fit in crossover, but because of the way things have turned out with the genre votes (a big fat negs from all teams involved), we have a band that should be here, but probably won't be due to procedure. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 12:05
Chetarca was rejected by Symph and Crossover (In the case of Symph it was unanimous). Please, it was rejected by the Prog Related Team. I sent them to PR, I sponsored them, but the Admins (Who's opinion I respect), considered that they were not PR. Can't do more
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 12:14
I think we've had this discussion before. Yeah, I realised there's no way. We'll just have to wait for them to release a new album... ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 17:45
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As we would expect, the likelihood of a 70's band releasing a new album is extremely slim. The Prognossis AOR reference is plain wrong. I wonder it that could be a mistake on that site? Let us Google Chetarca and progressive to see what things come up (PA excluded)... http://www.last.fm/music/Chetarca http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/chetarca/chetarca/ http://www.alexgitlin.com/npp/chetarca.htm http://cdreissuewishlist.blogspot.com.au/2010/06/chetarca-australia.html http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com.au/2007/10/chetarca-stlp1975australia.html http://www.gemm.com/store/PROGRESSIVEROCK/item/CHETARCA-CHETERCA-LP/1422822468 Just a few of examples all citing that Chetarca fits into the progressive rock category. How many more do we need before something gives way? Is it time for PA to be progressive and be the first site to grant Chetarca the recognition deserved? ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 18:16
Not in Symphonic, we already checked them and twice Plus at least the three quotes you cite, are exact, all copied from the same source and the other 2 are ambiguous to say the less. They were rejected by three teams and Prog Related, please accept it, they won't be here
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 22:33
Never say 'never'  ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |