Progressive rock music & Hip Hop?
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Topic: Progressive rock music & Hip Hop?
Posted By: ProgHiphop
Subject: Progressive rock music & Hip Hop?
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 17:12
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I see many prog fans (not on this site so far though) say that hip hop is unintelligble and talentless. although this is true for some hip hop artists, there are many Hip Hop artists that are influenced by prog, sample prog songs, or use prog elements. here are some examples.
Mahavishu orchestra- you know you know sample
King Crimson- 21st century schizoid man sample
name of song is misleading, there actually is subject matter.
Can- sing swan song sample and a 6/8 time signature, unusual in hip hop
king Crimson- Book of saturday sample
King Crimson- I talk to the wind sample........subject matter isn't great but i still respect the song
Gentle Giant- Funny ways sample, and MF DOOM (the rapper) usually raps offbeat, an element usually found in prog
Toto- Africa sample
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nlMosErgXw -
A remix of tom sawyer done by DJ Z-trip
Apparently there's a pink floyd sample. i cant find one aside from the helicopter sound in the beginning. help would be appreciated.
Even DIDDY sampled alan parson's project in "the saga continues". i cant find the song though.
I'm sure theres more but i don't think its necessary to post anymore videos
what are your guys' opinions on the connection between hip hop and Prog?
EDIT: how do i embed video's on this site???
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 17:36
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Use the embed video function.....its somewhere there Insert movie does it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: ToadstoolMoon
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 17:37
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There are some great hip hop interprets who are far more interesting and intelligible than the usual 50 Cent rubbish. Try Dalek, Nephlim Modulation Systems or El-P (no connection with Emerson, Lake & Palmer :)) ------------- Good taste is the enemy of creativity. (Pablo Picasso) |
Posted By: ProgHiphop
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 17:46
| thank you snow dog. and i haven't heard of those people except for EL-P i'll check them out |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 17:49
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Problem I have with today's Hip Hop artists is they don't pay enough homage to the originators of hip hop....Its like they think they (todays artists) actually invented it. I don't listen to any of it, I truely feel its rubbish. -------------   
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Posted By: ToadstoolMoon
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 17:49
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Oh, I meant "intelligent" and wrote "intelligible" instead :-)
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 18:23
I would rather think that there aren't many artists like that, but more like "some" artists. Am I right ? Samples, hip-hop themed covers are one thing, but what about something more, um, original ? More like Prog Hip Hop ? Is there out in wilderness of music something like that ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
ProgHiphop wrote:Posted By: ProgHiphop
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 18:34
| yes theres progressive hip hop. it's normally called alternative hip hop though and there actually are many alternative hip hop artists ranging from the birth of hip hop to now. a rapper named Wale made 2 concept mixtapes based on seinfeld. that's progressive imo. even jay-z has said his next album is going to be the most experimental album he's ever made. and also, groups like outkast and a tribe called quest are experimental in there music. i could go on and on. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 19:19
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Outkast, they made it to big Top 500 by Rollings Stones magazine, as far as I know. However so did Eminem, with his song that I see as a cover of Kashmir (Led Zep). I'm extremely unskilled in hip-hop, so I don't have much knowledge about this issue. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: ProgHiphop
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 20:02
| yes not all hip hop is money and ho's. if anybody on this forum would like im willing to put people onto hip hop, as you guys are helping me learn more of prog |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 20:13
Count me out! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 20:19
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Count me out too. No Hip Hop in Prog Archives
Thanks anyway.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 21:45
^ Porque no Ivan!!?? I mean don't you wannna hear Peter Gabriel cover one of 50 Cent songs? 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 22:00
No, neither 50 Cent cover a Peter Gabriel song.
 Iván -------------
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 00:22
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No not in PA
But three cheers to Tupac, musically way ahead of his time, sadly no more. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 02:11
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Yeah, Yeah, Come on, Come on, Alright, Alright....I don't need people sampling things that I like just to speak over them...regardless what they say. I like Outkast when they make their jazzy things and something of Michael Franti, but in general I listen to prog. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 03:26
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I feel like having a prog sample in a hip hop song has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the hip hop song. It'll be good for any number of reasons-flow, lyrical agility, good beats-but just because it has a prog sample doesn't make it good, or particularly intelligent, even, any more than if it samples metal or TV shows. I don't understand where that notion came from. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 03:32
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Why don't they write music instead of sampling? Isn't music what we are speaking about? If only lyrics matter, buy a book. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 03:46
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First of all, who is "they"? Are you presuming that all hip hop artists fall under a nebulous "they" banner? Because you're mistaken-many write their own music, many are even trained in musical theory. Even if we were working under the (incorrect) assumption that all hip hop, everywhere, forever, is made up entirely of samples, that would still be "writing music". Let's check out the dictionary definition of music: 1.an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color. 2. the tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both. So even when you use samples, you're arranging them in a way that's musical. If that wasn't the case, ELP's liberal borrowing of passages from classical composers would also be this dreaded non-musical entity you seem to fear so much. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 03:57
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A collage is not a Rembrandt painting; there is only cutting, pasting and arranging. There is no tactile relationship between the creator and the creation, and all parts of the palate are purely incidental elements derived from other sources. ELP playing classical music involves musicians actually playing instruments that are characterized the tonal characteristics of 70s technology. Their work is not on the same level as some dj slapping an LP on a turntable, hitting "Record" and then playing it over a phat beat. |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:00
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They're not on the same level in that they aren't comparable, which was my point to begin with, not because one is necessarily inferior to the other. Musically they don't have the same goals and aren't created in the same way. I get the feeling a lot of you don't listen to much hip hop, since you seem to think every hip hop song is simply ripped from other songs. This isn't the case, and you shouldn't say so if you aren't sure of it. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:06
| Paul's Boutique: That's all the hip-hop you'll ever need. All samples, all fantastic. You can't make this kind of masterpiece modern era because clearing all of it would mean utter bankruptcy. The mere potential for litigation ensures that a majority of rap consists of the the same four bars playing ad nauseum with a token sample from another tune thrown in there for good measure. |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:07
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...Be real, you haven't bought a rap album since 1989, have you? ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:07
Please use quiotes when replyibng, as "they" is a bit too few to understand if you are replying to me even if I guess so. Let me show you a couple of examples, even if I don't know the names of the pseudo-artists who did them: The intro of Mother Russia (Renaissance) was sampled I think 15 years ago. The result was absolutely crap. The worst thing I'bve ever heard is a sort of techno-rap version of Comfortably Numb. What's the sense of operations like this? Regarding the art of sound, Rhythm? Maybe, but always the same. Melody? borrowed from somebody else. Harmony and Color? same. If you like talking (that's a different thing from hip-hop) you can listen to some bluegrass, at least there's somebody playing an instrunment with some skill. If you look for poetry, listen to Patti Smith's Easter. That's art IMO. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:08
Only one in my whole life and by mistake (Outkast) ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:10
That was to Walter, actually, but it raises another point: If you just admitted that you don't know what you're talking about, than why are you talking about it? ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:20
| 1989 was the last great year in the history of music, so is it any wonder that the apogee of hip-hop is from 1989? |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:22
So you're admitting you haven't heard any hip hop since 1989? EDIT: I'm going to sleep, but should the discussion, as it were, continue, I'd advise people who haven't listened to rap/hip-hop since the first Bush administration to refrain from speaking with any authority on the matter.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:36
First up, my knowledge of Hip Hop only stretches to Ice T, Eminem, De La Soul, Public Enemy and erm...that band who did the Aerosmith cover 'Walk This Way' ? (Although I do like much of the foregoing's output) The comparison between digital sampling and quoting from other composers work has been made many times before e.g. I actually read an interview with a dance music boffin who claimed that Keith Richard sampled Chuck Berry's music 'manually' using his ears and fingers circa 1963 Clearly this is facile nonsense as despite the many satisfying aesthetic results achieved by manipulation and treatment of the original analogue sources, said practitioners of this art are but ARRANGERS n'est pas ? ------------- 
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:39
Why would I want new music when I can have real music? |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:41
TV and some friends are enough. I don't need to listen to the whole discography of Madonna to understand that I don't like her stuff. Also I have so many prog things to listen to that a life won't be enough. Why should I spend time with hip-hop? But mainly, what prog can you see in hip-hop? Last but not least, to listen to some music I don't need to purchase an album when there's radio, youtube and my dayghter. I'm lucky that she left hip-hop quite quickly for Japanese Emo. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Nathaniel607
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 05:04
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I think sampling prog songs is all well and good, but can you link me to an interesting or proggy rap song that isn't so simply by virtue of sampling one? The first one is kind of okay, but just repeats itself over and over and gets really boring. Also, the second one is pretty crap, he only sample one part and I really don't like what he did with it. Sorry! Haven't convinced me yet lol. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nathaniel607" rel="nofollow - My Last FM Profile 
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 05:08
Isn't he still releasing albums?  BTW, the first 4 Dream Theater albums and some after (Train of Thought and anotehr i can't remember) have a huge hip hop influence, both on the lyrics and the way the songs are sung. The songs LIE (from the album Awake) and Honor Thy Father (Train of Thought) are prime examples of that. -------------   
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 05:14
| Ok. They stole music and now you want us to say hip-hip is innovative, or has some quality? This is hard to understand. |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 05:43
There's too much empty rage here against hip-hop. I'm not exactly an admirer of the genre (the only hip-hop album I ever bought was the one by the Fugees, if that counts!) but I can tell that many hip-hop tracks are MASSIVELY entertaining. If I were a teenager looking for thrills, I'd have hip-hop tracks on my ipod too! Middle-aged prog fans raging against rap remind me of my grandparents informing me that comic strips are inferior to "real" novels. 
(And I'm writing these things as a fifty year old.) |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 05:53
Hanna Montana and Lady Gaga are'nt the only ones that have rabid fanb0is and fangurlz. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 06:12
I can say with authority that I have no interest whatsoever in "Hippety Hop". ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 06:58
Too late. http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15232 - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15232 |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 08:05
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It is nice that hip hop artists seem to be inspired by prog rock. Still I think that just sampling a song and repeating a sample all the time is not a prog rock criteria. Of course, hip hop may be entertaining. The following I like, but only because it combines hip hop with traditional east european music. |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 08:47
I'm twenty-one and I just finished my teenage years. I've always disliked the 'status'-element of the songs, the fact it is music without any instruments played, the negative attention of the rappers, the self-pity, the 'social criticism' by rappers who are villains themselves, etc. Sounding cool is not enough. I want to hear art. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 08:54
I'm close to 50 too. I'm old enough to have had the possibility to see what the majors have always done against art. Since Jackson 5, through Bee Gees, then boy bands and so on. It's not question of Comics and novels. It's question of music and something else. Hip-hop can be a different kind of art, maybe, but it doesn't have anything to do with music. In addition I'm old enough to feel the urge to rush in listening all the things that I like, so I can't waste time on people dancing and speaking over a 4/4 tempo regardless the samples behind. You have all the right to like it, but this site is not the right place. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 08:57
| I have no knowlegle or hip-hop or rap, since everytime I've tried to listen to it, I've found it quite boring. I don't understand why sampling someone else's music is a cool thing. Why not write your own music and sing/rap to it? Anyways, I must be old fashioned (and old too), but when an artist writes, arranges, orchestrates and performs his/her own music, then I will be interested. I'm sure some hip-hop artists write some of their material, but I haven't found something that appeals to me. |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 09:02
I feel the same way. It does nothing for me at all. The other issue I have is the need for Hip-Hop artists to sample other people's work directly. It's one thing to be heavily influenced by other musicians and genres and write music that has similar qualities-we see a lot of that in prog. But to sample sections of another persons work and use it in your work is not talented and not original. It's just cutting and pasting, not originating. One last comment-I know many artists, including prog bands, may slip in a riff from another band in a song. The difference-it's usually a quick one-time homage and then it's gone. Most of these Hip-Hop tracks have the sample repeating several times during a track-that's just a rip-off and not very original or talented IMHO.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 10:51
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In first place, what ELP does is not sampling, you can call it cover if you want, but musicians playing instruments is not the same as a guy with a recorder adding some basic percussion patterns to the music created and performed by others In second place, I always wonder why people feel free to come to a Prog site ad say phrases like ELP is pompous crap or Rick Wakeman made that infamous Arthur on Ice, or even worst "All retro Prog is crap", and nobody says a word. But if in the same Prog site somebody says that he/she doesn't like Rap or Hip Hop, we are middle age ignorant who don't accept that music has to change. Yes, I'm middle age, but for me sampling is not making music,, it's stealing what real musicians did (As far as I know is very common not to pay royalties), but covers are a valid form of music, just listen guys like Manfred Mann with the Earth Band making a cover of "Blinded by the Light" by Bruce Springsteen (After paying royalties), they create a new, different song, which IMO is much better than the original. Guys like Emerson had enough respect to go to Ginastera's house to play his Tocatta version before him and received the blessing of the composer who found the track amazing, before even daring to release Brain Salad Surgery,. There's a huge difference, but at the end, we are free to like what we want and dislike what we want too, accept it. Iván -------------
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 13:58
I couldn't agree more  ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 13:58
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 14:05
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 14:20
 The problem is hip hop/Rap is now almost defunct. The crap the kids are hearing these days are real pseudo version of krumping and clowning and the crap like Outkast, Beyonce, Kylie Minogue, Pop Idol all sound the same. BUT I have seen some really good revived motown.
Check out some of Kanye West's stuff, pretty good! ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 14:24
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Hey, remember the time Kanye stole from King Crimson and Sunshine Band? |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 14:47
The problem is hip hop/Rap is now almost defunct. For you is a problem, for me it's a good thing. We just think differently, I dont think that I'm right and you are wrong. Only this is not hiphoparchives.com ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 14:53
I think there is Czech band Gipsy.cz who are Romani people doing Hip-hop music influenced by Romani music, which means Eastern influences as well. Check them here: http://www.gipsy.cz/en/bio.php - http://www.gipsy.cz/en/bio.php ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 15:55
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Ya'll need to check out G Prokofiev's "Concerto For Turntables & Orchestra", recorded by DJ Yoda & The Heritage Orchestra.
http://www.flyglobalmusic.com/fly/archives/europe_reviews/dj_yoda_the_heritage_orchestra.html - http://www.flyglobalmusic.com/fly/archives/europe_reviews/dj_yoda_the_heritage_orchestra.html
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:00
That is maybe the most asinine thing I have ever read. I'm still waiting for a concrete argument as to how hip-hop isn't "real" music. So far all I've heard is that it's all sampling(it isn't) and that it doesn't take any talent(it does). Nobody's saying you have to LIKE hip-hop but to say it isn't music is simply, patently, wrong. There isn't an argument to be made otherwise. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre and, honestly, music as a whole. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:05
Thank God at least one of you has a sense of humor about this. The snobbery and contemptuousness in this thread was starting to make my brain bleed. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:09
| 40footwolf: I'm a huge hip-hop head actually, possibly the biggest on this forum. Still bumping Below The Heavens. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:11
I really don't like it much at all.......BUT....no genre is completely unlikable (besides gangsta rap! )...so this what I DO like( don't know if any of this is hip hop but this I guess is rap in general)Eminem Beastie Boys De La Soul I think thats about it.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:19
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All of those are hip-hop.
Other albums in rotation for me:
The Cold Vein- Cannibal Ox
None Shall Pass- Aesop Rock
Black On Both Sides- Mos Def
Eardrum- Talib Kweli
Rip The Jacker- Canibus
The Best Part- J Live
The Offering- Killah Priest
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Posted By: ProgHiphop
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:22
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWUptVHNfvw -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGZ5isu23ow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGZ5isu23ow
& not all hip hop is 4/4
for example outkast's hey ya switches between 2/4 & 4/4
nas's hip hop is dead is 3/4 i believe
and im positive theres more
and many producers in rap actually do play instruments. usually bass & synth/piano but real drums and electric/acoustic guitar is present in hip hop. maybe on the billboard top 100 but its out there
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:24
Check out A Tribe Called Quest's The Low End Theory and Black Star's Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Black Star. Based on the bands you mentioned enjoying I think you would like those two a lot. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:25
The usual argument of snobbery.
Learn this, Prog Archives is a Progressive Rock site and most Progressive Rock listeners don't like Hip Hop, we joined this site to talk about a genre like Prog that is ignored by 99% of the people ouyt there, while there are probably thousands of Hip Hop sites.
We are not snobs, we know what we like and we are free to express our opinions, that's so true that people here butchers bands as Yes, Genesis, ELP, Triumvirat or virtuoso musicians as Wakeman that represent the reason why Prog Archives was created,
I haven't said that Hip Hop is crap, what i said is that sampling real musicians is creating nothing because all your videos are examples of sampling and I stand behind my opinion, the real artist creates musics, the sampler adds percussion patterns to what talented composers and performers created,
Iván -------------
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:28
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I actually didn't start this-I simply mentioned qualities that would make a good hip hop song and somebody else launched in with all that "it isn't REAL music" jive. To clarify: I am not saying that not liking hip hop makes you a snob. It's fine if you don't. I am saying that you are a snob if you say it is NOT MUSIC. You're a snob, and wrong to boot. And I never attacked ELP, Yes, Genesis or any of the Old Guard-why would I, seeing as how I like those bands so much? ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:31
He never said you did attack ELP,Yes etc. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:33
I thought he was implying it. If not then I rescind my statement in that regard. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:35
It is rather unclear for Ivan. But if he meant you he would have said you I'm sure. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:38
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When I think of "prog hip-hop" I'm not sure such a thing actually exists but Canibus' Poet Laureate Infinity was pretty way out there in concept.
There's also things like Deltron 3030 which flirted with prog territory.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:41
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Progressive rap certainly is possible though it arguably hasn't yet been done. I was going to do it back when I was going to be a rapper at all. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:48
All post-1989 music is trash. |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:54
Alright, well...thanks for alerting me to the fact that you'll be impossible to have a conversation with now or at any point in the future. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 20:03
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Walter: This hip-hop album was made in 2005 but is about the year 1988. Are you able to listen to that? http://www.amazon.com/1988-Blueprint/dp/B0007UVX1I - http://www.amazon.com/1988-Blueprint/dp/B0007UVX1I
The album was massively acclaimed by a lot of people but it disappointed me. I thought it was kind of vanilla.
Ooh, another rap classic still in rotation at my place is Mr Lif's I Phantom.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 20:08
As Snow Dog, said, if I had implied you attacked any band, you would had known it because the first thing I do in this cases is quote the person, what I said is that it's common to do it in Prog Archives.
Now, I don't like Hip Hop that's true, as a fact I hate it and don't hide my opinion, but neither I saidall Hip Hop is not music, what I don't consider original or creative music is sampling.
Iván
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 20:10
Okay, I was a little confused on your position. Thanks for clarifying.  ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 06 2010 at 00:02
Not all outkast's output is pure hip-hop. It's the only hip-hop band whom I purchased an album and there's a lot of jazz when they don't talk... Inside any genre there can be something good. Also Madonna can have a good song, it's a statistic fact. Write 1000 songs and at least one will be good. But looking at the whole genre, I don't find a reason to listen to it and less reasons to have it on PA. Please let us venerate our dynosaurs. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |