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Topic: Classical ComposersPosted By: Lynx33
Subject: Classical Composers
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 17:18
We all know that progressive rock music has always been somewhat touched by classical music. So, it might be interesting to know how much proggers like classical composers and their music. The palette is wide from every period, though I have included only a few. You can naturally mention names not on the list.
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Replies: Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 17:52
Grieg from this list. Following Dvořák, Rimsky-Korsakov, Tchaikovsky, Smetana, Holst, Bartók, Sibelius...and many, many more.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 18:09
Shostacovich & Schubert, followed Bach & Beethoven from your selection.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 18:32
When you've been visiting this site's forums long enough, it's really hard not to get deja po. That's it, I'm voting for other. What do you mean that's not a choice?
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 18:34
Stravinsky for me, ever since I heard parts of Rite of Spring on Fantasia as a young 'un.
Posted By: June
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 18:57
Didn't we just have a poll like this?
If we're gonna go with hearing and loving as a young 'un, I'm putting myself down for Beethoven. That damn Moonlight Sonata was the first thing I heard someone play in our house after my mom got a beaten down piano. It made me want to take lessons. And a cassette tape of The Emperor my grandmother gave me a bit afterward for a birthday pretty much sealed the deal.
I go have a special fondness for piano concertos (concerti?), so another choice for me would be Rachmaninov.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 19:13
June wrote:
Didn't we just have a poll like this?
No! It's The Mind...
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 19:14
Liszt! You'd be hard pressed to find a more progressive composer. He anticipated impressionism, pioneered atonality, invented the piano recital and the symphonic poem and Wagner stole all his best ideas.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 19:15
I can't say anything other than Tchaikovsky, as per my signature would suggest. Nothing any other composer hs done feels just as right to me as the Nutcracker Suite or his piano and violin concertos.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 19:20
Shostakovich.
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 20:06
Of these choices Brahms, but 20th Century Minimalism is really more my bag.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 22:00
Where are Mussorgsky and Pachelbel? You really should have included an 'other' option.
Anyway, from this list, the choice for me as obvious: Stravinsky, no contest. Followed by Tchaikovsky & Beethoven. The rest fall behind.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 22:10
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: October 06 2010 at 22:19
Bach. For sheer perfection of form.
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Posted By: kole
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 01:48
Dvorak for me.
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 02:55
I am not very familiar with classical music, but I like Chopin, just above Beethoven and Mozart
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 03:13
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 03:18
presdoug wrote:
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
you're quite right, Bruckner, Berlioz, R. Strauss, Elgar are great missing ones, due to lack of space. and of course, Mahler as well, how could I forget him!. And you're right too that Bruckner symph's are to be heard just like his masses, I have the symphonies with Klemperer, Karajan and Jochum as well, I think Jochum is the best at them. Berlioz's Te Deum and Requiem is also immortal. From Strauss my favourite is op. 28 and Metamorphosen, but he has many great works. As for Elgar, though he also wrote many huge musics, we can never forget his e-minor cello concertos championed by J. Du Pré, Casals, Fournier etc.
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Posted By: June
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 06:37
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 10:46
Lynx33 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
you're quite right, Bruckner, Berlioz, R. Strauss, Elgar are great missing ones, due to lack of space. and of course, Mahler as well, how could I forget him!. And you're right too that Bruckner symph's are to be heard just like his masses, I have the symphonies with Klemperer, Karajan and Jochum as well, I think Jochum is the best at them. Berlioz's Te Deum and Requiem is also immortal. From Strauss my favourite is op. 28 and Metamorphosen, but he has many great works. As for Elgar, though he also wrote many huge musics, we can never forget his e-minor cello concertos championed by J. Du Pré, Casals, Fournier etc.
i love Klemperer's, Karajan's , and Jochum's Bruckner as well, though my favourite Bruckner is done by Bruno Walter (Walter also does my favourite R. Strauss and Mahler) i love my Elgar done with Sir John Barbirolli-magnificent! I love the Berlioz Te Deum and Requiem very much (with Sir Thomas Beecham) and the Berlioz symphonies are wonderfull as well-for me, R. Strauss's tone poems are works of genius, especially Ein Heldenleben, which i consider to be just about the greatest musical work done by anybody (with Mengelberg or Beecham preferred)
Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 11:11
M o z a r t !!!!!!!!!
Beethoven
Bach
Ravel
Stravinsky
Tchaikovsky
Schumann
P.S. I made a terrible mistake - voted for Beethoven / not for MOZART - so he has still 0 votes!! For shame!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 11:19
presdoug wrote:
Lynx33 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
you're quite right, Bruckner, Berlioz, R. Strauss, Elgar are great missing ones, due to lack of space. and of course, Mahler as well, how could I forget him!. And you're right too that Bruckner symph's are to be heard just like his masses, I have the symphonies with Klemperer, Karajan and Jochum as well, I think Jochum is the best at them. Berlioz's Te Deum and Requiem is also immortal. From Strauss my favourite is op. 28 and Metamorphosen, but he has many great works. As for Elgar, though he also wrote many huge musics, we can never forget his e-minor cello concertos championed by J. Du Pré, Casals, Fournier etc.
i love Klemperer's, Karajan's , and Jochum's Bruckner as well, though my favourite Bruckner is done by Bruno Walter (Walter also does my favourite R. Strauss and Mahler) i love my Elgar done with Sir John Barbirolli-magnificent! I love the Berlioz Te Deum and Requiem very much (with Sir Thomas Beecham) and the Berlioz symphonies are wonderfull as well-for me, R. Strauss's tone poems are works of genius, especially Ein Heldenleben, which i consider to be just about the greatest musical work done by anybody (with Mengelberg or Beecham preferred)
Fantastic. As you can see in my signature, Bruckner is one of my favorite masters. I would point you in the direction of two of the greatest Brucknerians ever: Georg Tintner and Gunter Wand. The former recorded all his symphonies including Die Nullte and the Study Symphony (00) and in many cases chose not the typical version of the works (we all know how historians have had a field day with Bruckner's revised editions of his works). His cycle is superb, though in individual numbers there might be better recordings. Gunter Wand is a consumate Brucknerian, probably the greatest ever. His accounts of 3, 4, 5 and 7 are among the best. For the 7th, I choose Karajan's last recording in DG with the Wiener Philarmoniker, with a magnificent adagio (using the cymbal crash). For the 8th I chose Karajan again. The ninth has strange proponents like Carlo MAria Giulini, a master performance, though I just acquired Bruno Walter's. I've yet to hear it though.
For Strauss the answer is clear: Karajan or Solti. Bernstein has a great Don Quixote though.
Berlioz is great but for me it's the Fantastique and the Requiem; his other symphonies leave me cold. Sir Colin Davis' Fantastique is good, though I've yet to find the perfect one.
But my towering composer is and will always be Bach. I have almost 40 cds of works of his. I just finished listening to St Matthew Passion with Chailly and the Gewandhaus Leipzig, good but failed in the crucial choruses; I have at least 3 versions of most of the works I have. Mozart is another great, with his Requiem and his 41st symphony as my favorites. Beethoven's symphonies are the greatest achievement in the form, Karajan's cycle is my choice (though Toscanini is amazing and quite necessary if you can stand mono). Shostakovich is the greatest symphonist since Bruckner; it's obvious the Symphony is my preferred form. I like concertos and sonatas and other kind of works but the Symphony is and always will be my musical love.
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Posted By: Ruby900
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 11:23
Lozlan wrote:
Bach. For sheer perfection of form.
Agreed!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 11:28
Ruby900 wrote:
Lozlan wrote:
Bach. For sheer perfection of form.
Agreed!
Corrected.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 12:56
A lot of composers I have heard of, but none I know really well. Grieg gets my vote for being part of an early childhood memory.
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 13:29
presdoug wrote:
Lynx33 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
you're quite right, Bruckner, Berlioz, R. Strauss, Elgar are great missing ones, due to lack of space. and of course, Mahler as well, how could I forget him!. And you're right too that Bruckner symph's are to be heard just like his masses, I have the symphonies with Klemperer, Karajan and Jochum as well, I think Jochum is the best at them. Berlioz's Te Deum and Requiem is also immortal. From Strauss my favourite is op. 28 and Metamorphosen, but he has many great works. As for Elgar, though he also wrote many huge musics, we can never forget his e-minor cello concertos championed by J. Du Pré, Casals, Fournier etc.
i love Klemperer's, Karajan's , and Jochum's Bruckner as well, though my favourite Bruckner is done by Bruno Walter (Walter also does my favourite R. Strauss and Mahler) i love my Elgar done with Sir John Barbirolli-magnificent! I love the Berlioz Te Deum and Requiem very much (with Sir Thomas Beecham) and the Berlioz symphonies are wonderfull as well-for me, R. Strauss's tone poems are works of genius, especially Ein Heldenleben, which i consider to be just about the greatest musical work done by anybody (with Mengelberg or Beecham preferred)
I have Richard Strauss complete with Kempe, sounds marvellous, and Mengelberg, Reiner, Böhm and Beecham are also exceptional. Right, Bruno Walter was superb, quiet right, I like him, though I haven't deepened into his Bruckner, rather his Mahler symphonies, his Mozart-Requiem etc, but I will. Have you read this book on him?
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 13:51
The T wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Lynx33 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
you're quite right, Bruckner, Berlioz, R. Strauss, Elgar are great missing ones, due to lack of space. and of course, Mahler as well, how could I forget him!. And you're right too that Bruckner symph's are to be heard just like his masses, I have the symphonies with Klemperer, Karajan and Jochum as well, I think Jochum is the best at them. Berlioz's Te Deum and Requiem is also immortal. From Strauss my favourite is op. 28 and Metamorphosen, but he has many great works. As for Elgar, though he also wrote many huge musics, we can never forget his e-minor cello concertos championed by J. Du Pré, Casals, Fournier etc.
i love Klemperer's, Karajan's , and Jochum's Bruckner as well, though my favourite Bruckner is done by Bruno Walter (Walter also does my favourite R. Strauss and Mahler) i love my Elgar done with Sir John Barbirolli-magnificent! I love the Berlioz Te Deum and Requiem very much (with Sir Thomas Beecham) and the Berlioz symphonies are wonderfull as well-for me, R. Strauss's tone poems are works of genius, especially Ein Heldenleben, which i consider to be just about the greatest musical work done by anybody (with Mengelberg or Beecham preferred)
Fantastic. As you can see in my signature, Bruckner is one of my favorite masters. I would point you in the direction of two of the greatest Brucknerians ever: Georg Tintner and Gunter Wand. The former recorded all his symphonies including Die Nullte and the Study Symphony (00) and in many cases chose not the typical version of the works (we all know how historians have had a field day with Bruckner's revised editions of his works). His cycle is superb, though in individual numbers there might be better recordings. Gunter Wand is a consumate Brucknerian, probably the greatest ever. His accounts of 3, 4, 5 and 7 are among the best. For the 7th, I choose Karajan's last recording in DG with the Wiener Philarmoniker, with a magnificent adagio (using the cymbal crash). For the 8th I chose Karajan again. The ninth has strange proponents like Carlo MAria Giulini, a master performance, though I just acquired Bruno Walter's. I've yet to hear it though.
For Strauss the answer is clear: Karajan or Solti. Bernstein has a great Don Quixote though.
Berlioz is great but for me it's the Fantastique and the Requiem; his other symphonies leave me cold. Sir Colin Davis' Fantastique is good, though I've yet to find the perfect one.
But my towering composer is and will always be Bach. I have almost 40 cds of works of his. I just finished listening to St Matthew Passion with Chailly and the Gewandhaus Leipzig, good but failed in the crucial choruses; I have at least 3 versions of most of the works I have. Mozart is another great, with his Requiem and his 41st symphony as my favorites. Beethoven's symphonies are the greatest achievement in the form, Karajan's cycle is my choice (though Toscanini is amazing and quite necessary if you can stand mono). Shostakovich is the greatest symphonist since Bruckner; it's obvious the Symphony is my preferred form. I like concertos and sonatas and other kind of works but the Symphony is and always will be my musical love.
We have talked about Brucker and R. Strauss, then let's talk about Bach. I have Klemperer's St. Matthew with the PO and PO.Ch., which is divine, Chailly is too blood-worm. You can hear Solti's in the film Casino, it's a bit pale. I am rather a Bach-keyboard ethuisiast. There have been many words on keyboardists, orgonists, pianists playing Bach music, I have so many recordings selected of course by professionalism, and after hearing Gould, Tureck, S. Richter, K. Richter, Rosen, Yudina, Rübsam, Schnabel and so on, the best UNDOUBTEDLY is Wanda Landowska, though I like the others as well. It's a great pity that she didn't record as many Bach works as Glenn Gould did, who is one one of the greatest as well. I don't really like new-comers in the Bach-Keyboard-Universe for example Angela Hewitt or Schiff, sounding colourless to me.Of course Bach's concertos for 1-2-3 pianos-cembalos are also great, solo cello and violin works, and his lure pieces, contrapoint pieces (M. Opfer), and organ and church music of his are also great, but I stick to solo piano compositions of his suites, toccatas, partitas, variations, etc
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 13:53
Doing me some Baaaccchhh.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 15:14
Lynx33 wrote:
The T wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Lynx33 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
you're quite right, Bruckner, Berlioz, R. Strauss, Elgar are great missing ones, due to lack of space. and of course, Mahler as well, how could I forget him!. And you're right too that Bruckner symph's are to be heard just like his masses, I have the symphonies with Klemperer, Karajan and Jochum as well, I think Jochum is the best at them. Berlioz's Te Deum and Requiem is also immortal. From Strauss my favourite is op. 28 and Metamorphosen, but he has many great works. As for Elgar, though he also wrote many huge musics, we can never forget his e-minor cello concertos championed by J. Du Pré, Casals, Fournier etc.
i love Klemperer's, Karajan's , and Jochum's Bruckner as well, though my favourite Bruckner is done by Bruno Walter (Walter also does my favourite R. Strauss and Mahler) i love my Elgar done with Sir John Barbirolli-magnificent! I love the Berlioz Te Deum and Requiem very much (with Sir Thomas Beecham) and the Berlioz symphonies are wonderfull as well-for me, R. Strauss's tone poems are works of genius, especially Ein Heldenleben, which i consider to be just about the greatest musical work done by anybody (with Mengelberg or Beecham preferred)
Fantastic. As you can see in my signature, Bruckner is one of my favorite masters. I would point you in the direction of two of the greatest Brucknerians ever: Georg Tintner and Gunter Wand. The former recorded all his symphonies including Die Nullte and the Study Symphony (00) and in many cases chose not the typical version of the works (we all know how historians have had a field day with Bruckner's revised editions of his works). His cycle is superb, though in individual numbers there might be better recordings. Gunter Wand is a consumate Brucknerian, probably the greatest ever. His accounts of 3, 4, 5 and 7 are among the best. For the 7th, I choose Karajan's last recording in DG with the Wiener Philarmoniker, with a magnificent adagio (using the cymbal crash). For the 8th I chose Karajan again. The ninth has strange proponents like Carlo MAria Giulini, a master performance, though I just acquired Bruno Walter's. I've yet to hear it though.
For Strauss the answer is clear: Karajan or Solti. Bernstein has a great Don Quixote though.
Berlioz is great but for me it's the Fantastique and the Requiem; his other symphonies leave me cold. Sir Colin Davis' Fantastique is good, though I've yet to find the perfect one.
But my towering composer is and will always be Bach. I have almost 40 cds of works of his. I just finished listening to St Matthew Passion with Chailly and the Gewandhaus Leipzig, good but failed in the crucial choruses; I have at least 3 versions of most of the works I have. Mozart is another great, with his Requiem and his 41st symphony as my favorites. Beethoven's symphonies are the greatest achievement in the form, Karajan's cycle is my choice (though Toscanini is amazing and quite necessary if you can stand mono). Shostakovich is the greatest symphonist since Bruckner; it's obvious the Symphony is my preferred form. I like concertos and sonatas and other kind of works but the Symphony is and always will be my musical love.
We have talked about Brucker and R. Strauss, then let's talk about Bach. I have Klemperer's St. Matthew with the PO and PO.Ch., which is divine, Chailly is too blood-worm. You can hear Solti's in the film Casino, it's a bit pale. I am rather a Bach-keyboard ethuisiast. There have been many words on keyboardists, orgonists, pianists playing Bach music, I have so many recordings selected of course by professionalism, and after hearing Gould, Tureck, S. Richter, K. Richter, Rosen, Yudina, Rübsam, Schnabel and so on, the best UNDOUBTEDLY is Wanda Landowska, though I like the others as well. It's a great pity that she didn't record as many Bach works as Glenn Gould did, who is one one of the greatest as well. I don't really like new-comers in the Bach-Keyboard-Universe for example Angela Hewitt or Schiff, sounding colourless to me.Of course Bach's concertos for 1-2-3 pianos-cembalos are also great, solo cello and violin works, and his lure pieces, contrapoint pieces (M. Opfer), and organ and church music of his are also great, but I stick to solo piano compositions of his suites, toccatas, partitas, variations, etc
i like the Bach organ works done by Walter Kraft, and Gould's Goldberg Variations (1981) also like Ferrucio Busoni's transcriptions of Bach works with german pianist Peter Rosel
also harpsichord recordings of Italian Concerto and others with Ralph Kirkpatrick
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 15:19
Georg Tintner is not one of my favourite Brucknerians-oh, well, to each his own
Gunter Wand is good, though
for Bruckner, i also really like conductors Oswald Kabasta, Hermann Abendroth, Hans Rosbaud, Joseph Keilberth, F. Charles Adler and Carl Schuricht
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 15:25
From the list, Shostakovich
Although my favorite is actually either Mahler or Dvorak.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 15:56
I have a tiny classical collection but from what I know about the genre then Prokoviev gets my vote
Romeo and Juliet
The Enemy God Dances With The Evil Black Spirits
..both covered by ELP
Peter And The Wolf (absolutely love this)
plus the music that became the theme for the seventies TV drama The Onedin Line and was also used in the film Caligula (which I've never seen ,honest guv)
Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 15:59
Dmitri Shostakovitch is my favorite composer. I own just about everything he has done. I love his first symphony and all of his string quartets.
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:03
stonebeard wrote:
I can't say anything other than Tchaikovsky, as per my signature would suggest. Nothing any other composer hs done feels just as right to me as the Nutcracker Suite or his piano and violin concertos.
A very worthy choice (1st for me if not for Stravinsky). More should check out Tchaikovsky's second Piano Concerto.
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:07
Lynx33 wrote:
The T wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Lynx33 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
you're quite right, Bruckner, Berlioz, R. Strauss, Elgar are great missing ones, due to lack of space. and of course, Mahler as well, how could I forget him!. And you're right too that Bruckner symph's are to be heard just like his masses, I have the symphonies with Klemperer, Karajan and Jochum as well, I think Jochum is the best at them. Berlioz's Te Deum and Requiem is also immortal. From Strauss my favourite is op. 28 and Metamorphosen, but he has many great works. As for Elgar, though he also wrote many huge musics, we can never forget his e-minor cello concertos championed by J. Du Pré, Casals, Fournier etc.
i love Klemperer's, Karajan's , and Jochum's Bruckner as well, though my favourite Bruckner is done by Bruno Walter (Walter also does my favourite R. Strauss and Mahler) i love my Elgar done with Sir John Barbirolli-magnificent! I love the Berlioz Te Deum and Requiem very much (with Sir Thomas Beecham) and the Berlioz symphonies are wonderfull as well-for me, R. Strauss's tone poems are works of genius, especially Ein Heldenleben, which i consider to be just about the greatest musical work done by anybody (with Mengelberg or Beecham preferred)
Fantastic. As you can see in my signature, Bruckner is one of my favorite masters. I would point you in the direction of two of the greatest Brucknerians ever: Georg Tintner and Gunter Wand. The former recorded all his symphonies including Die Nullte and the Study Symphony (00) and in many cases chose not the typical version of the works (we all know how historians have had a field day with Bruckner's revised editions of his works). His cycle is superb, though in individual numbers there might be better recordings. Gunter Wand is a consumate Brucknerian, probably the greatest ever. His accounts of 3, 4, 5 and 7 are among the best. For the 7th, I choose Karajan's last recording in DG with the Wiener Philarmoniker, with a magnificent adagio (using the cymbal crash). For the 8th I chose Karajan again. The ninth has strange proponents like Carlo MAria Giulini, a master performance, though I just acquired Bruno Walter's. I've yet to hear it though.
For Strauss the answer is clear: Karajan or Solti. Bernstein has a great Don Quixote though.
Berlioz is great but for me it's the Fantastique and the Requiem; his other symphonies leave me cold. Sir Colin Davis' Fantastique is good, though I've yet to find the perfect one.
But my towering composer is and will always be Bach. I have almost 40 cds of works of his. I just finished listening to St Matthew Passion with Chailly and the Gewandhaus Leipzig, good but failed in the crucial choruses; I have at least 3 versions of most of the works I have. Mozart is another great, with his Requiem and his 41st symphony as my favorites. Beethoven's symphonies are the greatest achievement in the form, Karajan's cycle is my choice (though Toscanini is amazing and quite necessary if you can stand mono). Shostakovich is the greatest symphonist since Bruckner; it's obvious the Symphony is my preferred form. I like concertos and sonatas and other kind of works but the Symphony is and always will be my musical love.
We have talked about Brucker and R. Strauss, then let's talk about Bach. I have Klemperer's St. Matthew with the PO and PO.Ch., which is divine, Chailly is too blood-worm. You can hear Solti's in the film Casino, it's a bit pale. I am rather a Bach-keyboard ethuisiast. There have been many words on keyboardists, orgonists, pianists playing Bach music, I have so many recordings selected of course by professionalism, and after hearing Gould, Tureck, S. Richter, K. Richter, Rosen, Yudina, Rübsam, Schnabel and so on, the best UNDOUBTEDLY is Wanda Landowska, though I like the others as well. It's a great pity that she didn't record as many Bach works as Glenn Gould did, who is one one of the greatest as well. I don't really like new-comers in the Bach-Keyboard-Universe for example Angela Hewitt or Schiff, sounding colourless to me.Of course Bach's concertos for 1-2-3 pianos-cembalos are also great, solo cello and violin works, and his lure pieces, contrapoint pieces (M. Opfer), and organ and church music of his are also great, but I stick to solo piano compositions of his suites, toccatas, partitas, variations, etc
I love all of Bach's music but my focus seems to be on orchestral and choral music. I have only two version of the Matthaus Passion, I need one with original instruments (probably'll do Herreweghe) and I need a grandiose, bloated one like Solti to make up for Chailly's Mozart-ized direction. I just acquired the Easter Oratorio, I just need a version of the Ascension one. St. John's I have under Britten, good enough. The Mass in B minor exists in two form in my collection: Karajan (quite strange but interesting) and Boston Baroque/Pearlman on period instruments (yet to hear). The Christmas Oratorio is another magnificent work. I own two versions, Harnoncourt and Herreweghe. Also, I own a few cantatas. For orchestral music, I'll just say I have 6 versions of the violin concertos, probably my favorite concertos ever. Add that to mulyiple Brandenburgs and Suites and you get the idea.
For one-instrument only, I love Walcha's organ works though for the justly famous D-minor tocatta I prefer Richter. Partitas (for cembalo and violin) and sonatas are favorites, too. One question for you: do you prefer your keyboard-Bach in cembalo or piano? I prefer cembalo 100%, in fact I don't own ANY piano Bach. Even a cd I have with Glenn Gould playing it's on the cembalo (not a common event).
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:56
The T wrote:
Lynx33 wrote:
The T wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Lynx33 wrote:
presdoug wrote:
my three favourite composers are missing-
1) Anton Bruckner-to really live life is to hear his symphonies
2) Hector Berlioz-a really important link between the early and late romantics, and ahead of his time and redefined what an orchestra could do
3) Richard Strauss-the greatest composer of the twentieth century-Elgar was right about him-the musical genius of his day
i do relate to your list, though, as i listen to about 45 different classical music composers in total, some of which are already listed
you're quite right, Bruckner, Berlioz, R. Strauss, Elgar are great missing ones, due to lack of space. and of course, Mahler as well, how could I forget him!. And you're right too that Bruckner symph's are to be heard just like his masses, I have the symphonies with Klemperer, Karajan and Jochum as well, I think Jochum is the best at them. Berlioz's Te Deum and Requiem is also immortal. From Strauss my favourite is op. 28 and Metamorphosen, but he has many great works. As for Elgar, though he also wrote many huge musics, we can never forget his e-minor cello concertos championed by J. Du Pré, Casals, Fournier etc.
i love Klemperer's, Karajan's , and Jochum's Bruckner as well, though my favourite Bruckner is done by Bruno Walter (Walter also does my favourite R. Strauss and Mahler) i love my Elgar done with Sir John Barbirolli-magnificent! I love the Berlioz Te Deum and Requiem very much (with Sir Thomas Beecham) and the Berlioz symphonies are wonderfull as well-for me, R. Strauss's tone poems are works of genius, especially Ein Heldenleben, which i consider to be just about the greatest musical work done by anybody (with Mengelberg or Beecham preferred)
Fantastic. As you can see in my signature, Bruckner is one of my favorite masters. I would point you in the direction of two of the greatest Brucknerians ever: Georg Tintner and Gunter Wand. The former recorded all his symphonies including Die Nullte and the Study Symphony (00) and in many cases chose not the typical version of the works (we all know how historians have had a field day with Bruckner's revised editions of his works). His cycle is superb, though in individual numbers there might be better recordings. Gunter Wand is a consumate Brucknerian, probably the greatest ever. His accounts of 3, 4, 5 and 7 are among the best. For the 7th, I choose Karajan's last recording in DG with the Wiener Philarmoniker, with a magnificent adagio (using the cymbal crash). For the 8th I chose Karajan again. The ninth has strange proponents like Carlo MAria Giulini, a master performance, though I just acquired Bruno Walter's. I've yet to hear it though.
For Strauss the answer is clear: Karajan or Solti. Bernstein has a great Don Quixote though.
Berlioz is great but for me it's the Fantastique and the Requiem; his other symphonies leave me cold. Sir Colin Davis' Fantastique is good, though I've yet to find the perfect one.
But my towering composer is and will always be Bach. I have almost 40 cds of works of his. I just finished listening to St Matthew Passion with Chailly and the Gewandhaus Leipzig, good but failed in the crucial choruses; I have at least 3 versions of most of the works I have. Mozart is another great, with his Requiem and his 41st symphony as my favorites. Beethoven's symphonies are the greatest achievement in the form, Karajan's cycle is my choice (though Toscanini is amazing and quite necessary if you can stand mono). Shostakovich is the greatest symphonist since Bruckner; it's obvious the Symphony is my preferred form. I like concertos and sonatas and other kind of works but the Symphony is and always will be my musical love.
We have talked about Brucker and R. Strauss, then let's talk about Bach. I have Klemperer's St. Matthew with the PO and PO.Ch., which is divine, Chailly is too blood-worm. You can hear Solti's in the film Casino, it's a bit pale. I am rather a Bach-keyboard ethuisiast. There have been many words on keyboardists, orgonists, pianists playing Bach music, I have so many recordings selected of course by professionalism, and after hearing Gould, Tureck, S. Richter, K. Richter, Rosen, Yudina, Rübsam, Schnabel and so on, the best UNDOUBTEDLY is Wanda Landowska, though I like the others as well. It's a great pity that she didn't record as many Bach works as Glenn Gould did, who is one one of the greatest as well. I don't really like new-comers in the Bach-Keyboard-Universe for example Angela Hewitt or Schiff, sounding colourless to me.Of course Bach's concertos for 1-2-3 pianos-cembalos are also great, solo cello and violin works, and his lure pieces, contrapoint pieces (M. Opfer), and organ and church music of his are also great, but I stick to solo piano compositions of his suites, toccatas, partitas, variations, etc
I love all of Bach's music but my focus seems to be on orchestral and choral music. I have only two version of the Matthaus Passion, I need one with original instruments (probably'll do Herreweghe) and I need a grandiose, bloated one like Solti to make up for Chailly's Mozart-ized direction. I just acquired the Easter Oratorio, I just need a version of the Ascension one. St. John's I have under Britten, good enough. The Mass in B minor exists in two form in my collection: Karajan (quite strange but interesting) and Boston Baroque/Pearlman on period instruments (yet to hear). The Christmas Oratorio is another magnificent work. I own two versions, Harnoncourt and Herreweghe. Also, I own a few cantatas. For orchestral music, I'll just say I have 6 versions of the violin concertos, probably my favorite concertos ever. Add that to mulyiple Brandenburgs and Suites and you get the idea.
For one-instrument only, I love Walcha's organ works though for the justly famous D-minor tocatta I prefer Richter. Partitas (for cembalo and violin) and sonatas are favorites, too. One question for you: do you prefer your keyboard-Bach in cembalo or piano? I prefer cembalo 100%, in fact I don't own ANY piano Bach. Even a cd I have with Glenn Gould playing it's on the cembalo (not a common event).
As I was trained to be a pianist but failed in the way to be a real good one, I must say I prefer piano as usual, Scriabin is my favourite, mostly his late pieces, which are highly recomended to any modern/minimalist/atonal etc music enthusiasts, but in case of Bach I must say Wanda Landowska's cembalo playing, as she almost exlusively played that instrument, is UNBEATABLE. I'm absorbed, amazed and touched by her playing ANYTIME I listen to it, it is the music of walking out of life into the stars. By the way, Herreweghe (I have his Christmas Orat. with the Müncheners) is grandoise in playing Bach's music in the authentic way on authentic instruments. As for Bach's organ works, Karl Richter, Ton Koopman, Hans Fagius, Simon Preston are in my collection. I also like Bach transcription whether they are orchestral (Stokowski's works are interesting) or pianistic (by Busoni, Bauer, Ziloti, Kempff, Friedman, Hess, Murdoch etc.).
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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 18:50
LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN is my prefered one. The perfect combination between pompous and melodic is superb. 5ş, 7ş, 8ş and 9ş symphonies are stunning. Some pieces as the Victory of Wellington are really great too.
Others I like are Wagner (mainly the instrumental parts of his composition, as Tanhauser or Lohengrin), and some things from Haendel, Tchaykovsky, Borodin, Brahms or Schubert.
Posted By: Johnnytuba
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 19:51
To me, Mahler, who is a major composer missing from this poll, is king. In his stead, I will choose Brahms for his generous usage of lush major 6th chords in his Symphonies. Brahms 3rd is simply the best of his 4.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 21:19
Johnnytuba wrote:
To me, Mahler, who is a major composer missing from this poll, is king. In his stead, I will choose Brahms for his generous usage of lush major 6th chords in his Symphonies. Brahms 3rd is simply the best of his 4.
Man, i love Mahler, especially the symphony recordings with conductors Bruno Walter and the overlooked F. Charles Adler-my fave Mahler works are symphonies 1,3, 4 and 6 i can really appreciate Brahms when i am in the mood-all four symphonies are striking-you should hear them done by conductor Felix Weingartner-superb!
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 07 2010 at 23:42
Mahler's 6th, 1st, 5th and 8th are my favorites. Bernstein rules them.
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 04:13
Mahler is for Bruno Walter, he knows how to play it, he was Mahler's assistant in Hamburg, I think Bernstein's strength is Mendelssohn, Bartók and Bernstein. Bruno Walter is good in Brahms too, like Böhm, Karajan, Sawallisch, Klemperer, Sanderling etc. But Brahms is remembered by me for his piano pieces, mostly variations (Julius Katchen and Claudio Arrau is unstoppable in them, though the Kisszin-one is also great), though his Haydn-variations for orchestra is also superb, I have it several times in my collection with Walter, Sanderling, Mackerras, Klemperer, and two piano version as well played by Argerich and Rabinovich.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 06:45
I think Bernstein's interpretation of Mahler's 9th is unsurpassed. you should see him talk about it in his lectures on music; when he talks about the 9th movement he quotes Mahler's notes on it in German: "ganz langsam, ersterbend" ("very slowly, dying away"), and his face has a dreamy expression as he says this. that 4th moverment n the uinterpretation of Bernstein is what I wish to be played at my funeral
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 09:52
No Dvorak???
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 11:42
People, you should watch "The Little Drummer Boy", a documentary where Bernstein talks about Mahler and the relation of his music to his own emotional states. Excellent... Nobody understood Mahler like Lenny.
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 13:49
this site is full of classical music curiosoties check it out
http://pinkysmusic.double-play.net/cdartists.php
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Posted By: michellemjk
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 14:36
love Bach...
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:06
Hi,
This is a tough question ... I would think that an Italian like Puccini/Verdi would be more important, the reason being that a lot of those operas are massive on "melody" ... and defined it much better than had been done before.
Stravinsky, is a favorite of mine, and he would be the God for the 20th century, because he did with music what no one thought was possible, and in fact, when "The Rite of Spring" was first performed, it was trashed ... as were Petrouschka and the Firebird Suite. And of course, by the time that Leonard Bernstein got a handle on it ... it was over ... Stravinsky was fine ... it also helped that a cartoonist with a funny sense of humor had the brainstorm to put dancing hippos and alligators and and everything else ... which was a good idea to help people pick up and understand Stranvinsky ... it was hard to do if you were comparing it to the rest of music (just like here with "progressive" btw!), but if you took that reference out and merely appreciated what was there, the music all of a sudden stood out and became more important. I've always called this the "cubism" in music ... for fun!
The hard/weird part for me, is the appreciation for Bach and Beethoven. Bach, was, for all intents and purposes the very first DAW that was ever created, and helped cement a "requirement" in music that tied it to the meter and the composition ... the format of which is still used today, and over 90% of all the music that you and I listen to is ... controlled by those formats and precepts.
I remember a film ... "Isaac Stern Goes to China" ... and highly recommend it ... but there is a moment in there that shows one thing ... that is actually something else, but it does have it, and goes back to Bach ... one of the kids says that the music sounded "industrial" ... and the term then, was more a reference to the repetitive nature of the music itself and its themes, just like a machine ... if one dismisses the obviously politically charged nature of the comment -- the kids' parents/teachers against western culture and arts!
Both Bach and Mozart are "mechanical" for me. And I find that Mozart was probably trying to break that up a bit to get rid of the monotony, and is very well displayed in the movie "Amadeus" ... yes it's a movie but the idea is the same ... be it too many notes, or ... Salieri saying ... that would not be correct ... and Mozart saying just type it! ... and of course, years later ... it is right and fine!
It is strange how people look at music ... for me it's not a pillow, but can be! It's not viagra, but can be! It's not Darvocet, but can be! It's not a dream, but can be! And sometimes, it doesn't matter who did it ... which tells you that there is something inside us that "wakes up" which allows all of us ... to appreciate something ... and the inevitable question is ... is it you or the other person (or music, or ... )?
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:14
Gustav Mahler
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:42
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
This is a tough question ... I would think that an Italian like Puccini/Verdi would be more important, the reason being that a lot of those operas are massive on "melody" ... and defined it much better than had been done before.
Stravinsky, is a favorite of mine, and he would be the God for the 20th century, because he did with music what no one thought was possible, and in fact, when "The Rite of Spring" was first performed, it was trashed ... as were Petrouschka and the Firebird Suite. And of course, by the time that Leonard Bernstein got a handle on it ... it was over ... Stravinsky was fine ... it also helped that a cartoonist with a funny sense of humor had the brainstorm to put dancing hippos and alligators and and everything else ... which was a good idea to help people pick up and understand Stranvinsky ... it was hard to do if you were comparing it to the rest of music (just like here with "progressive" btw!), but if you took that reference out and merely appreciated what was there, the music all of a sudden stood out and became more important. I've always called this the "cubism" in music ... for fun!
The hard/weird part for me, is the appreciation for Bach and Beethoven. Bach, was, for all intents and purposes the very first DAW that was ever created, and helped cement a "requirement" in music that tied it to the meter and the composition ... the format of which is still used today, and over 90% of all the music that you and I listen to is ... controlled by those formats and precepts.
I remember a film ... "Isaac Stern Goes to China" ... and highly recommend it ... but there is a moment in there that shows one thing ... that is actually something else, but it does have it, and goes back to Bach ... one of the kids says that the music sounded "industrial" ... and the term then, was more a reference to the repetitive nature of the music itself and its themes, just like a machine ... if one dismisses the obviously politically charged nature of the comment -- the kids' parents/teachers against western culture and arts!
Both Bach and Mozart are "mechanical" for me. And I find that Mozart was probably trying to break that up a bit to get rid of the monotony, and is very well displayed in the movie "Amadeus" ... yes it's a movie but the idea is the same ... be it too many notes, or ... Salieri saying ... that would not be correct ... and Mozart saying just type it! ... and of course, years later ... it is right and fine!
It is strange how people look at music ... for me it's not a pillow, but can be! It's not viagra, but can be! It's not Darvocet, but can be! It's not a dream, but can be! And sometimes, it doesn't matter who did it ... which tells you that there is something inside us that "wakes up" which allows all of us ... to appreciate something ... and the inevitable question is ... is it you or the other person (or music, or ... )?
you should watch Bernstein's lectures on Bach at YouTube; it will teach you to listen to Bach differently. at the beginning of the lecture Bernstein mentions that some people find Bach mechanical and even admits that he used to belong to these people too before studying the works of Bach, he is then demonstrating that Bach is anything but that. watch it; it is highly instructive, and it will help you appreciate the music of Bach. he is the grand master of them all
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 18:34
BaldJean wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
This is a tough question ... I would think that an Italian like Puccini/Verdi would be more important, the reason being that a lot of those operas are massive on "melody" ... and defined it much better than had been done before.
Stravinsky, is a favorite of mine, and he would be the God for the 20th century, because he did with music what no one thought was possible, and in fact, when "The Rite of Spring" was first performed, it was trashed ... as were Petrouschka and the Firebird Suite. And of course, by the time that Leonard Bernstein got a handle on it ... it was over ... Stravinsky was fine ... it also helped that a cartoonist with a funny sense of humor had the brainstorm to put dancing hippos and alligators and and everything else ... which was a good idea to help people pick up and understand Stranvinsky ... it was hard to do if you were comparing it to the rest of music (just like here with "progressive" btw!), but if you took that reference out and merely appreciated what was there, the music all of a sudden stood out and became more important. I've always called this the "cubism" in music ... for fun!
The hard/weird part for me, is the appreciation for Bach and Beethoven. Bach, was, for all intents and purposes the very first DAW that was ever created, and helped cement a "requirement" in music that tied it to the meter and the composition ... the format of which is still used today, and over 90% of all the music that you and I listen to is ... controlled by those formats and precepts.
I remember a film ... "Isaac Stern Goes to China" ... and highly recommend it ... but there is a moment in there that shows one thing ... that is actually something else, but it does have it, and goes back to Bach ... one of the kids says that the music sounded "industrial" ... and the term then, was more a reference to the repetitive nature of the music itself and its themes, just like a machine ... if one dismisses the obviously politically charged nature of the comment -- the kids' parents/teachers against western culture and arts!
Both Bach and Mozart are "mechanical" for me. And I find that Mozart was probably trying to break that up a bit to get rid of the monotony, and is very well displayed in the movie "Amadeus" ... yes it's a movie but the idea is the same ... be it too many notes, or ... Salieri saying ... that would not be correct ... and Mozart saying just type it! ... and of course, years later ... it is right and fine!
It is strange how people look at music ... for me it's not a pillow, but can be! It's not viagra, but can be! It's not Darvocet, but can be! It's not a dream, but can be! And sometimes, it doesn't matter who did it ... which tells you that there is something inside us that "wakes up" which allows all of us ... to appreciate something ... and the inevitable question is ... is it you or the other person (or music, or ... )?
you should watch Bernstein's lectures on Bach at YouTube; it will teach you to listen to Bach differently. at the beginning of the lecture Bernstein mentions that some people find Bach mechanical and even admits that he used to belong to these people too before studying the works of Bach, he is then demonstrating that Bach is anything but that. watch it; it is highly instructive, and it will help you appreciate the music of Bach. he is the grand master of them all
Baldjean is talking about Bernstein's "Omnibus", a series of programs that aired in public tv here in the USA in the 50's. I just watched all of them on dvd (i bought it recently) and it's great (except the one on American Comedy theater...). His insights on Bach are great. He gives examples of what he founds as magnificent in the Matthaus Passion. As Baldjean said, he even said he didn't like Bach at all at first (lack of dynamics, lack of that typical "drama" that people without listening clerly might thing his music lacks) but then the magic was revealed in all its glory. Bach is the grand master of all music.
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Posted By: Noak
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 18:39
From this list, Stravinsky, without a doubt. If you had included some of the funnier ones like Scelsi, Penderecki or Schnittke it might have been a little harder for me.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 21:29
Berrnstein's Bruckner, though minimal, is just superb-especially the live 9th with the Vienna Phil. (also on dvd)
Posted By: ronbo11
Date Posted: October 08 2010 at 23:47
Mozart wrote amazing works that spanned the breadth of all areas of Classical composition (operas, symphonies, concertos, and chamber music) and he was a virtuoso keyboardist therefore he's my choice. It makes me sad to think how much more this genius could have contributed if his life had not been so tragically short.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 09 2010 at 03:59
Sean Trane wrote:
No Dvorak???
Of course! The Symphony of all symphonies, conducted by The Conductor!
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 09 2010 at 14:16
Noak wrote:
From this list, Stravinsky, without a doubt. If you had included some of the funnier ones like Scelsi, Penderecki or Schnittke it might have been a little harder for me.
Three of the funniest guys ever. Scelsi is a gem and Penderecki is (or was) a genius.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 09 2010 at 16:27
All the composers listed are great.
Scarlatti is mostly known for his sonatas, but his stabat mater is truly exceptional.
Verdi and Puccini are mainly known for their operas, but they wrote, together with Rossini, some of the best pages of sacred music.
One can regret not a single of the french Baroque representatives are listed : Rameau, Marais, Ste-Colombe, Forqueray, Couperin, Charpentier, Lully, Campra, Delalande...
Ste-Colombes's "concertos ŕ 2 violes égales" are SUBLIME.
Viola di gamba became soon one of my favourite instruments in classical music.
And where is Vivaldi ? Some people here might soon become interested in this composer thanks to this :
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 09 2010 at 19:14
I'd like to mention some early Italian composers, like Girolamo Frescobaldi or Carlo Gesualdo; the latter murdered his wife and her lover after catching them in flagranto delicvti and repented for it with beautiful madrigals: Frescobaldi:
Gesualdo:
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 10 2010 at 10:48
of modern composers: Hans Werner Henze
Wolfgang Rihm
Maurizio Kagel
Iannis Xenakis:
Bernd Alois Zimmermann
Arvo Part:
Luigi Nono
Luciano Berio
it is not always the music I would recommend of these composers, but I had to take what I could find on YouTube
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Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:02
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here). And so it's no surprise that progfans vote like this.
My personal fav is Edvard Grieg mainly because of his ambient achievements (the man's music breathes Norway really). Beethoven and Tsjaikovsky are brilliant as well.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:07
progrules wrote:
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here). And so it's no surprise that progfans vote like this.
My personal fav is Edvard Grieg mainly because of his ambient achievements (the man's music breathes Norway really). Beethoven and Tsjaikovsky are brilliant as well.
anyone who sees Mozart as a pop artist among the classical composers has no idea about Mozart at all. his operas, for example,are deep character studies. "Don Giovanni" is my favorite opera because of these incredibly deep character studies. what works of Mozart do you know to utter this judgment, a judgment that any classical musician would heavily disagree with? this is pop?
or this? this was highly avant-garde at its time!
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:32
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and Mozart's requiem is far from the "poppiest" classical music I ever heard...
I think it's rather the lack of knowledge of his music that leads to vote for another composer.
And I am tired of those attacks on "pop" music. There is a lot of pop music that is brilliant, while there is a lot of prog rock that is pure bulls**t.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 10 2010 at 17:25
I am fine with voting for a different composer. I am not fine with calling Mozart "pop" in comparison to the others. does the person who wrote this know that a) Mozart was the first free-lancing composer (all others worked for some Noblemen) and b) that he had problems selling his works, simply because it was not what the people wanted. that's just the opposite of "pop"
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 10 2010 at 17:51
no one has mentioned the early Romantic genius from Germany , Carl Maria von Weber he was related to Mozart, was an early musical hero of Berlioz's, and , well, most importantly, he was a contemporary of Beethoven's and the next german composer in importance to Beethoven during Beethoven's lifetime he wrote some lovely operas, and opera overtures, overlooked are his solo piano and piano concerto works, which are lovely and quite striking would highly recommend the piano concertos with Roland Keller or Peter Rosel on the piano, and the solo works for piano with Hans Kann
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 10 2010 at 18:12
lucas wrote:
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and Mozart's requiem is far from the "poppiest" classical music I ever heard...
I think it's rather the lack of knowledge of his music that leads to vote for another composer.
And I am tired of those attacks on "pop" music. There is a lot of pop music that is brilliant, while there is a lot of prog rock that is pure bulls**t.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 10 2010 at 18:14
BaldJean wrote:
I am fine with voting for a different composer. I am not fine with calling Mozart "pop" in comparison to the others. does the person who wrote this know that a) Mozart was the first free-lancing composer (all others worked for some Noblemen) and b) that he had problems selling his works, simply because it was not what the people wanted. that's just the opposite of "pop"
Exactly. Calling "pop" music like the Operas, like the piano concertos (probably the best in the genre, none has surpassed them yet), the choral masterworks like the Requiem (my favorite music ever) and his last 7 symphonies (especially the last 4) is just showing deep, unsustainable ignorance.
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Posted By: JakoCba
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:43
1.-Beethoven
2.-Mahler
3.-Bach
4.-Schönberg
5.-Debussy
6.-Stockhausen
7.-Mozart
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:15
progrules wrote:
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here).
Do you know that Grieg ( & Tchaikovsky+++ as well) considered Mozart the Greatest Composer with deepest music . Stravinsky would have been shocked if he had seen this poll . +++ on the classical music forums (and I saw really a lot of them) Mozart is ALWAYS in top 3
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:31
I am fond of Grieg, especially because of the Peer Gynt suites and his piano concerto, but some other lesser known works as well.
I like Rachmaninov especially for his four piano concertos and some more.
Oh well, from most well known composers there are works that I really like. I don't have my favorites as with prog, my taste is broader as it comes to classical music, but I have a slight preference for the romantic era, middle period especially.
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 14:33
The T wrote:
Mahler's 6th, 1st, 5th and 8th are my favorites. Bernstein rules them.
Don't discount Tilson Thomas' version of the 6th--I prefer it, at least.
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 14:54
progrules wrote:
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here). And so it's no surprise that progfans vote like this.
And it is also, sadly, no surprise prog fans would make this connection or support the less popular over the more talented.
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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 15:23
lucas wrote:
^
and Mozart's requiem is far from the "poppiest" classical music I ever heard...
I think it's rather the lack of knowledge of his music that leads to vote for another composer.
And I am tired of those attacks on "pop" music. There is a lot of pop music that is brilliant, while there is a lot of prog rock that is pure bulls**t.
Good post
Mozart is not my cup of tea but I must recognize he was a great musician. Agree with you too about the attacks over pop music. Nothing is absloutely black or white.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 15:45
Bitterblogger wrote:
The T wrote:
Mahler's 6th, 1st, 5th and 8th are my favorites. Bernstein rules them.
Don't discount Tilson Thomas' version of the 6th--I prefer it, at least.
i would love to hear the very first recording of the 6th , conducted by F Charles Adler from around 1950-anybody out there heard it? Adler is one of my very fave Mahler conductors, and is overlooked (i have, love, and would recommend to anybody his recordings of the 1st and 3rd)
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 16:04
stonebeard wrote:
progrules wrote:
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here). And so it's no surprise that progfans vote like this.
And it is also, sadly, no surprise prog fans would make this connection or support the less popular over the more talented.
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:57
I wanted to vote for Ralph Vaughan Williams
But he is not on the list
Bummer
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: October 13 2010 at 19:30
Prog rock music has structurally more in common with the music of the Baroque and of the late Romantic/Modern era than with the Classical era, so it does not surprise me that their protagonists Bach and Stravinsky are in the lead. They are also my favourites (with a slight preference for Stravinsky) .
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Good post
Mozart is not my cup of tea but I must recognize he was a great musician. Agree with you too about the attacks over pop music. Nothing is absloutely black or white.
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