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Topic: pro's & con's or on an island !?
Posted By: trackstoni
Subject: pro's & con's or on an island !?
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 00:50
simply i need your opinion in this poll to see if i was wrong or right in my opinion ! thanking you in advance ! my comment will follow ...

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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 00:54
Neither.

The only enjoyable solo album from a floyd member is Richard Wright's Wet Dream.  Why? Because Mel Collins is on it.


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 01:26
Gilmour is always better than Waters.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 02:01
Pros and Cons is not a great album for me. I just find it a bit boring to be honest. On an Island gets my vote.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 02:02
.....besides...Gilmour owns Clapton!

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 03:03
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Gilmour is always better than Waters.
 
Not always. But in this case he is. My favourite solo album from a PF member is Amused to Death (Roger Waters). Next comes Broken China (Richard Wright, I have heard more than half of it here and there) or On an Island.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 04:11
Just as long as it's not the Lost island. LOL

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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 05:38
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Gilmour is always better than Waters.


No he's not. In this case, I would rate them as about the same - 3 star albums each. Waters went on to great artistic heights in the albums after Pros. Gilmour didn't.


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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 07:10
Gilmour is almost never better than Waters, but this his release is possibly better. Gilmour is in general very average blues-rock guitarist himself, Waters is dark genial artist. Unhappily, Waters almost never was successful in his solo releases, Gilmour just does what he knows best - plays blues rock and pop-rock.


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 08:11
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Neither.

The only enjoyable solo album from a floyd member is Richard Wright's Wet Dream.  Why? Because Mel Collins is on it.
If you remove the word "only" and add Snowy White to Mel Collins I could agree but....

I think Broken China is more enjoyable (and progressive) than Wet Dreams.
Nick Mason's fictitious sports might match your tastes. I guess you never heard it...

About the two in the poll, for me Pros and Cons is the worst Waters' solo album and On An Island is Gilmour's best so the choice is easy. I will not fall in the dispute between Waters and Gilmour's fanboys. I like them both.



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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 08:26
Pros & Cons is a difficult album, which never fully unfolds (like some vintage wines never open up), despite repeated listens..... but On An Island is a completely unprog and lazy snoozefest (easily Gilmour's worst)
 
 
I think that pitting  Waters Vs Gilmour albums is useless, because the people will always judge by the feud that opposed them, with Waters taking on ther villain's role.... Sooooo expecting objectivity is not realistic/
 
 
 


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 08:28
The best thing on Pros and Cons is Cherry Vanilla on the sleeve....Big smile

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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 10:41
I won't vote.....  I haven't heard Pros & Cons
 
but
 
On an Island is great if you are in the mood for it.
 
The Final Cut and   Amused to Death  are  both  hard for me to listen to


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 11:10
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

The best thing on Pros and Cons is Cherry Vanilla on the sleeve....Big smile
 
Yup, she sure beats Gilmour's old curmudgeon's fart face o, his album
 
 
 
There is no best thing on that island.....


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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: dave-the-rave
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 11:36
Both of these albums are pretty lame.

My favorite Floyd solo is Gilmour's self-titled first.


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 12:17
If a poll about solo floyds hasn't been done yet I'll do one (but it's possible that I've already done it...who knows?)




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Posted By: Elderflower Man
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 13:19
I struggle with solo albums to begin with- I often find them unfulfilling and sometimes even weak compared to the work of the artist in question's main band- but the members of the Floyd in particular were never anywhere as good on their own. I mean, On An Island is a nice album, but it simply lacks substance beyond chilled vibes. Pros and Cons is inventive, but I find it musically lacking. So I don't think I'll vote, this time around. Amused to Death is a much better album than Pros and Cons, by the way, though still not up to Floyd standard, of course.


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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 06:55
sorry my friends for the lack of knowledge about what you're doing here in these forums ! however , i can't simply reviewing all your materials in this site , i've been in Jail for one year , and had no idea about your polls ! i know , that some of my polls were posted before , but i felt like asking those questions to you my friends to satisfy my hunger to the truth , and get a general idea about some critical point in those issues !

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 07:22
sorry for what ? Confused
I don't see anything wrong in this poll. 



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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 10:07
Originally posted by trackstoni trackstoni wrote:

sorry my friends for the lack of knowledge about what you're doing here in these forums ! however , i can't simply reviewing all your materials in this site , i've been in Jail for one year , and had no idea about your polls ! i know , that some of my polls were posted before , but i felt like asking those questions to you my friends to satisfy my hunger to the truth , and get a general idea about some critical point in those issues !


I can't see that you have anything to apologise for. A perfectly reasonable pollBig smile


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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 10:12
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Pros & Cons is a difficult album, which never fully unfolds (like some vintage wines never open up), despite repeated listens..... but On An Island is a completely unprog and lazy snoozefest (easily Gilmour's worst)
 

 

I think that pitting  Waters Vs Gilmour albums is useless, because the people will always judge by the feud that opposed them, with Waters taking on ther villain's role.... Sooooo expecting objectivity is not realistic/

 

 

 


That was my answer ! thank you Sean , Fair enough to have such a satisfying comment ! it seems i will turn my objective now to open a progressive music school somewhere in this planet ! and yu'll be the first instructor for sure ! cause it seems those people around , knows less about the past than the present !

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 10:16
Originally posted by trackstoni trackstoni wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Pros & Cons is a difficult album, which never fully unfolds (like some vintage wines never open up), despite repeated listens..... but On An Island is a completely unprog and lazy snoozefest (easily Gilmour's worst)
 

 

I think that pitting  Waters Vs Gilmour albums is useless, because the people will always judge by the feud that opposed them, with Waters taking on ther villain's role.... Sooooo expecting objectivity is not realistic/

 

 

 


That was my answer ! thank you Sean , Fair enough to have such a satisfying comment ! it seems i will turn my objective now to open a progressive music school somewhere in this planet ! and yu'll be the first instructor for sure ! cause it seems those people around , knows less about the past than the present !

Wrong answer.


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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 10:44
and why is that ! on an island means nothing to me . i don't even have to spare a minute of my time to listen to this mediocrity ! in the other hand , i know how Pro's was accomplish . i'm proud of Clapton & Waters for this precious album . if you know , it's good for you ! but if you don't it's good for me , cause i'll be right about you , since the first impact !

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 10:46
So the majority who voted for Gilmour disagree with you and that is why you were annoyed?

And it seems I was wrong about you since the first impact. I thought you were a nice bloke.


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 13:26
Why can't one like both? In my opinion On an Island is better than Pros and Cons, but Amused to Death is better than both. I think we should forget the lawsuit between the two leaders and concentrate on music. What I find really terrible on Pros and Cons is Clapton's performance at his bottom.

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Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 18:08
I like them both but Island is better


Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 18:36
Gilmour


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 22:50
On an Island for me. None of them are among my favourite albums, and both have only about 2 or 3 songs I really like. But I find On an Island to be a more pleasant listen as a whole album. However, I think it's much better on it's live version (Live in Gdansk as a CD, or Remember that Night as a DVD).


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 04:56
Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Gilmour
 
This answer says it all, really!!!
 
 
poiunt set & match in regards to my first post


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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 05:11
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Gilmour
 
This answer says it all, really!!!
 
 
poiunt set & match in regards to my first post
a better answer should have been Pink Floyd, instead...Cry
They were more than the sum of their parts.


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My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com


Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 05:38
In general I prefer Gilmore, but on an island I find somehow boring, Pr & Cons gets my vote!

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 06:06
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Gilmour
 
This answer says it all, really!!!
 
 
poiunt set & match in regards to my first post

Sean this is complete bollocks. You can't know that he chose Gilmour due to some "feud" between him  and Waters!

You can't accept that people may prefer Gilmours album here to the frankly very poor Pros and Cons? So you don't like On an Island...many of us do...nothing to do with which "camp" I'm in. Other Water's albums are great, just not this one.


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