Mythology in Prog
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Topic: Mythology in Prog
Posted By: Gandalff
Subject: Mythology in Prog
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 02:09
  ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 03:12
| Aliens, Legends, fiction seems like a good choice although I hardly have anything in my collection along those lines. Songs like Tool's Rossetta Stoned, Phideaux's Microdeath Softstar, or Xanadu by you know who fit that description quite well though. |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 04:22
| Greek, just because Eloy's Ocean is so awsome |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 09:11
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I'm partial to Scandinavian mythology myself, as well as Celtic folklore about fairies and such. I alos quite like references to Jewish mysticism such as the Kaballah. Ya Ho Wa 13 is a pretty good band.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 09:18
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hail Odin, Loki, Thor and Frey
Aasafaith (sadly it mostly linked to/have influenced neo-nazi symbolisme ) which i find is very insulting and sad becouse it destroys and demolish the beauty that is Norse paganisme.
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 10:14
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Artificial, I suppose ------------- 
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 10:44
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Eastern religious philosophy and Sun worship dominate three of Yes's finest albums. Of course, the lyrics make no sense! But they interest me greatly... ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 11:17
| artificial because of Gong, Magma and Ziltoid. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 12:58
And Genesis' "Fountain of Salmacis". |
Atoms wrote:Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 13:21
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Wow Greek for sure, It gives a great sense of grandeur to the 'epics'. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 13:27
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geek. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 13:37
... he says with over 19000 posts -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 13:39
I wasn't saying it to you.  And those posts represent 5 years of superb posting.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 13:42
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Difficult to say. I tend to like mythological motifs generally, and was tempted by several real mythologies, particularly Christian, Celtic, and German/Scandinavian.But what I find most compelling is not the particular of the mythology but the underling energy and structure that myth tends to provide. In a contemporary context, I this might actually best be worked out by artificial mythologies that employ the through-structures of myth broadly speaking. Ayreon's work is a good example of this approach. some of Rush's early albums, particularly Hemispheres, provide another. I might also add the obvious given my avatar: IQ's Subterranea. |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 13:43
Don't worry, my trolling switch is on sorry  Anyway, I've not seen examples of most of these, anyone got any? -------------
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 23:09
| I really like Mythology, but know very few albums about mythology, specially prog. From the ones I know, by far my favourite is Therion's "Secret of the Runes" about Viking mythology. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 03:04
I´m for the last option. Without genius of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JRRT_logo.svg"> wouldn´t be Middle-earth thus wouldn´t be my avatar.------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 03:12
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Notice: Christian mythology includes of course famous Legends of King Arthur and Saint Grail, also often used in Prog music. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 03:41
| Old Testament for me: Samson is the man. And David VS Goliath is pretty epic. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 07:21
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Inuit!
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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 09:52
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Everything except Tolkien-Lord-Of The-Rings-Stuff, so utterly overused! Sorry, Gandalff ... ------------- Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus |
Posted By: LateralMe
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 15:10
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I voted Artificial.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 22:31
I hadn't though of King Arthur. Then ofcourse Rick Wakeman's King Arthur album is my favourite. I think I do like it over Therion's Secret of the Runes (and ofcourse, Wakeman's albums is much more progressive). |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: November 20 2010 at 06:40
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I don't really care what myth is behind it as long as the music is good. one of the greatest albums of all time though (and one of the least known because it was unavailable for over 25 years) is Nik Turner's "Xitintoday", which is based on ancient Egyptian mythology with half of the Gong crew aboard (Hillage, Howlett, Blake, Giraudy) plus former Hawkwind drummer Alan Powell plus Brand X percusionist Morris Pert plus conductor Jeremy Gilbert on harp and keyboards the line-up is exquisite, and the music is too. most astonishing oof al is Turner's flute, which is the predominant instrument of this recording. it gives the album a mysterious mood -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: steppenfloyd
Date Posted: November 20 2010 at 12:42
| Greek |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 25 2010 at 11:47
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Geek? ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 25 2010 at 11:56
I allways thought the Arthur legend had celtc well, well im not a scholar, I know that he was sort of a crusader back in the days
probably a mix of celtic, anglo/saxen and christian folklore  -------------
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 25 2010 at 12:49
Celts had lived in antiquity, approximately 500 BC - AD, Arthurian legend is a medieval myth from 5th-6th century after Christ. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 25 2010 at 12:56
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but Avalon is swamped into the Arthutian legends, and Avalon is defenitly remenicent of celtic myths so is Merlin and such,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthurian_legends - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthurian_legends -------------
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Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: November 25 2010 at 14:42
Actually, There is a lot of Celtic material in the medieval Arthurian cycle. The earliest references to Arthur come from the Celtic, specifically the Welsh, world. The first references to him place him among the Welsh and their cultural relatives further north. The words "Cristian" and "Celtic" are by no means exclusive as the Celts (Brythonic/Welsh) living under Roman rule were largely Christianized before the withdrawal of the legions in 410 as the Roman Empire by theis point had been officially Christian for about a century. The most influential work to mention Arthur in the Middle Ages, Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the Kings of Britain, dwells heavily on now-lost Welsh material, and the Grail itself, which did not become the "Holy" Grail until well after its first appearance in literature, seems to be associated originally not with the Chalice but rather with a Celtic cauldron of rebirth. As for any Anglo-Saxon connection, the first mention of Arthur in English occurs in Layamon's Brut (c. A.D. 1200), a Middle English rendering of Monmouth's work via the Anglo-Norman Roman de Brut by Wace (c. 1155)--about 600 years after the first Welsh poetic reference in Y Goddoddin, and about 400 years after the references in the Welsh Annals. Arthur is in fact the enemy of the English, as his original context was as the defender of Christian British (Welsh) sovereignty in the face of the pagan Saxon invasion of the 6th century. The strange thing is not that he shows up late in English in this context, but that he shows up at all in an English context. There are reasons, but there is no need to go into them here. The presence of pagan material in a profoundly Christian context should come as no surprise: Chrstmas tree, anyone? Or maybe a nice yummy Easter egg?  And for the record, I am not talking out my back-side. I teach this stuff at university and have spent many years researching it. i.e. this is an informed professional opinion:not necessarily a definitive one, but definitely an informed one. As for when Celts lived, your use of the past tense is incorrect. Celtic languages are still spoken as first languages in parts of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittany (in France), and Nova Scotia (in Canada). Celtic culture strictly understood (as opposed to the new-age reconstructions of it) has been largely eclipsed over the last couiple of millennia, but is by no means extinct. I do not mean to come across as a pompous ass, though I may well be doing so. Just trying to get the facts straight. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 25 2010 at 14:44
^ Yep. Celtic culture, language, and attitude is still very much alive in my part of the world
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 02:10
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I´m sorry for my somewhat incorrect proclamation about Celts. Of course, Celts or their offspring de facto live up to present day. I´ve thought their main era as hegemony in majority of Europe. (But I must to admit history isn´t my strong suit.)
At any rate, Christian mythology as an option has still zero votes instead of strong Arthurian legend. That means this one is perceived more as a Celtic than a Christian legend, isn´t it? ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: November 26 2010 at 10:48
Definitely, it is, often in spite of the many profoundly Christian elements without which the whole cycle would not exist. And you are right about the high-point of Celtic culture politically speaking. Definitely pre-Roman. |