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Topic: Obscure Prog Facts
Posted By: The Runaway
Subject: Obscure Prog Facts
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 04:32
I wanted to open this thread for fun and to enrichen my prog knowledge, and maybe yours too! Let me start: When Anthony Philips left Genesis Peter Gabriel offered Peter Banks to join as their guitarist but since Yes were making five pounds more Banks refused  ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 04:50
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Keith Emerson used to jam with Hendrix and was supposed to play on Axis Bold as Love, but the producers moved up the release date on the album and Keith couldn't participate because he was on tour. As far as persistent myths about the supposed HELP band; Mitch Mitchell was Emerson and Lakes first choice for drummer, that didn't work out and supposedly Mitch said Hendrix might be interested in the new band, which the media got a hold of and blew up really big. The musicians all knew each other well, but Keith never really pursued the idea of putting Hendrix in the band. |
Posted By: The P Word
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 04:55
| Jon Anderson offered Phil Collins the Yes gig backin the early days. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 04:59
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Phil Collins once played drums for Jethro Tull. Yes this is true.
Also on the Tull facts, Ian Anderson played a flute for the first time only six months before recording This Was. He had previously been a lead guitarist but dissatisfied with his progress on the instrument, and seeking to create a difference from the many anonymous blues rock bands on the pub circuit, picked up a flute.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 05:58
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The Micheal Walden, drumming on those amasing Mahavishnu albums (after Cobham left), is the same as the one producing Whitney Houstons breaktrough "ultrapop" hit : I Wanna Dance with somebody. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 06:19
Phil Collins played the congas on George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass".
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Textbook wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 06:46
Is there any band/artist that Phil Collins hasn't played for? 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 07:00
| Jon Anderson was one of the Wombles and played on "We wish you a Wombling Merry Christmas". |
Posted By: EnderEd
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 07:13
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Not too obscure, but Randy Jackson of "American Idol" fame did bass & backing vocals on Journey's 1986 "Raised on Radio".
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Posted By: Majikthise
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 08:22
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This is wonderful. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 08:32
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ELP nearly split up due to Tarkus as Lake hated the idea and told Emerson that if that's what he wanted to do then he should get a new band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 09:16
Journey is not the peak of his Prog career, Randy "The Emperor" Jackson (changed nickname for American Idol) played bass from 1980 to 1983 with Jean Luc Ponty.in this albums:
The list of great artists he performed with is impressive including Roger Waters, Blue Oyster Cult, Billy Cobham, Carlos Santana, Jerry García and Aretha Franklin, until he started to support N'Sync, Britney and then as the gem in the cheesy crown, came American Idol. Iván
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 09:43
| Tommy Iomi played with Jethro Tull for one gig, after Mick Abrahams left, but left right after, and Ian Anderson decided to hire Marin Barre, even though he could barely hear his guitar playing during the audition. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 09:51
After playing in The Hassles, Billy Joel decided to form a Prog band called attila and even released ths album: Despite the distasteful cover (he's on the right) and the fact that Billy hates the album, Attila wasn't a bad.combination of Prog,. Hard Rock and Psych. Iván -------------
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Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 09:56
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prog metal band connections: 1. Porcupine Tree and Opeth Steven Wilson produced several Opeth albums including Blackwater Park. He also sang and played the piano on some Opeth tracks. 2. Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater Steven Wilson, Kevin Moore and Mike Portnoy all appear on the album OSI (Office of Strategic Influence). 3. Dream Theater and Pain of Salvation Daniel Gidenlow and Mike Portnoy both appear on Transatlantic's Live in Europe. 4. Opeth and Edge of Sanity Mikael Akerfeldt sang some clean vocals on Edge of Sanity's album Crimson. 5. King Crimson and Porcupine Tree Robert Fripp played on the title track of Fear of a Blank Planet. 6. Ayreon and other prog metal bands Ayreon's space opera lineup had included members from Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, The Gathering, Opeth, Shadow Gallery and Mastodon, as well as members of prog rock bands including Uriah Heep, IQ and Mostly Autumn. 7. Ulver and Arcturus Several Ulver members played in Arcturus too. ProgArchives fun facts: progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1 is the smallest band id on PA. It's Genesis. progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2 is the smallest album id. It's Foxtrot by Genesis. ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 10:24
That's hardly an obscure fact.
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Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 10:54
Yup. But it more like one song - A Song to Jeffrey at The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus and he didn't even play live; but luckily for us this performance, as well as the one with Phil on drums were caught on tape. Still in the Tull area and in that era, Ian wanted Steve Howe in the band, but the latter turned down the offer. I can't help but wonder what it could have been like - an album, or even a jamming session with Steve in Tull. ------------- Property of Queen Productions... 
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Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 10:55
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The entire career of Tim Staffel is (tragically) obscure. He was the lead vocalist and bass player for Smile, the forerunner band for Queen. After the band dissolved and Freddie Mercury assumed vocal duties, he co-founded the symphonic progressive rock group Morgan with noted keyboard luminary Morgan Fisher. The band released two albums that should have conquered the world (Nova Solis and The Sleeper Wakes) prior to breaking up; Mr. Staffel went on to become a noted model maker, working on Thomas the Tank Engine and the BBC serial production of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Of late he's been exploring the funky side of things with his new band aMIGO. The man is an absolute treasure, with an amazing voice and very admirable lyrical chops. Shame that he's so completely unknown. ------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:03
Not any of his facts are. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:09
Oh yes! Good call!  And let's not forget that Fisher is also Queen-related. He played keys for them on the Hot Space tour (possibly my favourite Queen tour).I've only listened to Nova Solis by Morgan, but I was extremely impressed. Will have to look for The Sleeper Wakes as well. ------------- Property of Queen Productions...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:12
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Peter Daltrey of 60s psychedelic Proto-prog band Kaleidoscope & Fairfield Parlour (who provides the voice of the narrator on the Ayreon project) has a guest appearance of Arjen Luccassen on his track "Candy"
The current Focus was once a Focus tribute band until Thijs van Leer and Pierre van der Linden joined them.
Ken Elliot of Secondhand and Seventh Wave wrote jingles and theme tunes for the BBC (and probably earned more in the process).
Brian Eno got paid £26 in royalties everytime Another Green World was played as the theme tune for the BBC arts programme Arena... Eno (and thus the theme tune itself) became the subject of an Arena programme in 2010.
"Sky Saw" from Another Green World was reworked for a track on the first Ultravox! album.
Ultravox!'s exclamation mark was a direct acknowledgement to Neu! John Foxx of Ultravox! created the cover pic for Porcupine Tree's Lightbulb Sun.
I believe, (but I am not 100% certain), that Steve Stewart, original guitarist for The Enid, was the studio engineer for Porcupine Tree's Stupid Dream.
The Enid were Kim Wilde's backing band on Kids In America.
While he was in Barclay James Harvest Robert John Godfrey proposed an idea for a solo album to Tony Stratton-Smith based upon the Tarot Cards. By some strange co-incidence, another artist signed to Stratton-Smith's Charisma label released a solo album based on the same concept a few months after Godfrey's Fall Of Hyperion.
And related to Prog Related facts:
Following the death of Paul Kossoff of Free, Richie Blackmore performed All Right Now on stage with The Sweet.
Thin Lizzy were once a Deep Purple tribute band called Funky Junction - their budget-priced album of Deep Purple covers that was once sold in Woolworths for £0.49 used to change hands at record fayres for £200 a copy.
Should they really be in Prog Related because the are a Prog band: The Parlour Band are probably better known (in the UK at least) as A Band Called O and The O Band.
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:20
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So at one point Yes could have consisted of: Jon Anderson, Robert Fripp, Chris Squire, Phil Collins and Vangelis!
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:21
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Nice topic.
There are/were 3 bands called Amon Duul. The first Amon Duul split almost instantaneously, with one faction retaining the name and the other using the name Amon Duul II. Some time later, Amon Duul II members John Weinzierl and Dave Anderson left that band, forming a new band called Amon Duul.
Bell + Arc members John Turnbull and Michael Gallagher went on to join Ian Dury and the Blockheads.Greg lake was briefly a member of Asia.
Chris Farlowe, who had a hit in the 1960's with "Out of time" was a member of Colosseum and Atomic Rooster.
Audience were originally called the Lloyd Alexander Blues Band
Prior to forming Camel in the early 1970's, Peter Bardens had been keyboard player with a number of bands, including his own Pete B's Looners which featured guitarist Peter Green (Fleetwood Mac) in its line up.
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:25
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My abolition of a supposedly obscure prog fact...
While Syd Barrett did visit the Floyd members during the WYWH sessions, it's false that he merely ran into the building and started jumping up and down brushing his teeth. He had pretty normal conversations with the band and ate with them... they even watched Monty Python together!
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:33
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Prog Folker's Stackridge went on to fame and fortune as The Korgis ( "Everybody's Got to Learn Sometime") and took their new name from the Korg synthesiser. ------------- What? |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:39
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the group that former Atomic Rooster members John du Cann and Paul Hammond formed was at one point called Bullet, but because there was another band with that name, they changed the name to Hard Stuff german band Wallenstein was originally called Blitzkreig, but because of another band of that name, they became Wallenstein jazz rockers Colosseum were the very first real rock type group to tour in Spain, and due to some great promotion, were able to pack a club in Madrid for five nights in a row at one point in the early 80s, Atomic Rooster had former Cream drummer Ginger Baker as part of the band |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 12:36
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before drummer Steve Williams joined Budgie around 1975, he had previously been in a band that played alot of Yes material Budgie at one point had a hit single in Lebanon German progressive trio Triumvirat were formed way back in 1969, and in their live sets the music of The Nice figured prominently at the beginning Triumvirat took a long time to be recognised in their home country of Germany-sometimes they had to cancel tours there due to lack of ticket sales,but after their great success in the USA with Illusions On A Double Dimple and Spartacus, Germany finally "caught on", and things improved there Triumvirat members Jurgen Fritz and the late Helmut Koellen were cousins Bass player Hellmut Hattler from Kraan and bass player and vocalist the late Helmut Koellen from Triumvirat were both working on their own solo albums at the same time and studio in 1977, and Hattler actually met Koellen a couple of times just a few days before Helmut Koellen died. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 13:10
Also, when Steve Hackett remastered his classical guitar albums "Bay of King" and "Momentum" Ian Anderson mastered the additional tracks on both albums.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:07
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Eddie Jobson was member of Yes, and you can see him in the "Owner of a Lonely Heart" video. Iván -------------
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:10
Heck ... Vangelis was offered the job after Rick Wakeman left ... and there are two stories ... one that Vangelis could not get a working permit for England ... and the other that he declined ... that he was already fairly well established as a solo artist and did not need YES.
And they went on to become very good friends ... and one of the prettiest albums ever done was "Olias of Sunhillow" ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:18
And later Steven mixed and produced one cut on their album
And later Steven was the producer or mixer (or both, not sure) on the remix of the first KC album! Which should tell you the respect and care, or the reputation that Steven has for putting things together. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:32
Both inaccurate as far as I know. Vangelis was denied the entrance to England working in the late 60's, not when Rick left Yes, Vangelis who was workless and other Aphrodite's Child members were not accepted when the authorities discovered they didn't traveled as tourists, but to stay, so they went to Paris. In the 70's he had permit to work in England and had contract with an important label. By the 70's he was too well known to be denied anything in England. As far as I know Vangelis accepted,. but no Yes member except Jon Anderson wanted him in the band. Now, about Phil Collins, apparently he auditioned for Yes, but wasn't considered.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:34
Not sure about this ...
It was originally a commune that had a lot of people and what was released as "Amon Duul" was not a band but a lot of the folks in the commune doing their ... thing ... or what I call their Saturday Night gig.
My feeling was that there were, in the middle of those people, some folks that wanted to do more with music, but many of the folks were not musicians themselves and were merely getting stoned, having fun and getting laid ... and this group of folks decided that they did not want to be a part of it.
And the album name and title piece should give it away for you ... starts out totally stoned and ends up in a party/orgy!
There were at least two other versions of Amon Duul.
One had a couple of albums and was done during the hiatus of some folks in the band, or during one of their famous and grandiose disagreements ... and it had CD's like "Fool Moon" and Ed Wynne and Robert Calvert ...
The other version was a mix that John has said is a "b*****d album" that will not get around ... Embryo was the sister band to Amon Duul from the commune days and they did an album that had a bunch of stuff, some of which was a bit jazz'ier and closed with a really nice jazzy piece. In it were "What You Gonna Do?" which showed up 20 years later on many live albums and redos. Still not as good as the original! The album was called "Utopia" and had a plane flying over and one of its rear wings was missing. It is a very nice album and deserves the distribution and the listen. It also shows a nice direction and improvement for the band, that they did not follow and left behind ... later they did do another rock star song ... "Explode Like a Star" but it was not as good as Renate's, even though it did have its own point to make.
And one of Peter Bardens closest friends was Mick Fleetwood ... and he talks about it on his biography. He did say that it was one of those things ... they both just did not manage to connect and play with each other, although they both wanted to. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:46
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Hi,
Trivia Question ...
Name as many of the "artistes" ... as you can that were involved and out and about what became the video for "Tonite We All Love in London" ...
We already know the bands, and how unimportant it is for a lot of progressive music fans, and that it was there that Robert Wyatt broke into his ABC's to make fun of all that "royalty" walking around ...
But the rest is better ... and tells a lot about the music scene and what became known as "progressive" in the "Brittish Way" ... which means "we're emperors of the world, and you must submit!" It would also be nice if anyone can also connect the dots on these names ... many of them are important in many ways.
Good luck ... freebie from my collection as a gift ... total surprise and I won't reveal it publicly.
Hint ... only Hyde Park is more important than this in London for the Progressive Music scene. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:49
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the main reason that Richie Blackmore left Deep Purple was because the rest of the band did not want to play and record the song "Black Sheep Of The Family" by Quatermass-and on Rainbow's first album, he recorded it at one point for a short while, the late bassist/vocalist Doug Fiegler, who went on to fame with The Knack, was a member of Triumvirat On the cover of Wallenstein's album Mother Universe, the photo of an elderly woman is that of Keyboardist/Vocalist Jurgen Dollase's grandmother |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:56
Actually, this is what the the booklet of the 2006 Revisited Records remaster of Phallus Dei says: "During the infamous 'political autumn' of 1968, self-appointed Bavarian music commune, Amon Düül (comprising eleven adults and two children) announced their live performance at the Essener Songtage in the German city of Essen. However just prior to the festival, the project split into two camps: Amon Düül I and Amon Düül II. The first faction was quite politically active and co-operated with the notorious "Kommune I", which involved Rainer Langhanz, Fritz Teufel and top model Uschi Obermayer in Berlin. Chris Karrer on the other hand formed the "art and communications circle" (Karrer) of Amon Düül II. This circle included the core unit of Falk Rogner, John Wienzierl, Renate Knaup, SHrat, Dieter Serfas and defecting from the political faction of Amon Düül I, Peter Leopold" ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:07
But Olias Of Sunhillow is irrelevant to this,isn't it? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:10
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:20
And also because the keyboard player for Quatermass was far better, and less pretentious and full of crap than Jon Lord ever was! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:27
Jon Anderson and Vangelis became friends and released that album instead ... I have a feeling that it was what Jon Anderson was hoping to do with YES after TFTO, that got shot down ...
I also do not think that Vangelis was that interested in a band situation, specially one like YES, where he would have to learn some things that probably would not interest him. he was already through with the "popular" thing then, and had enough things going ... to drop them all and become a rock star ... I really think that by the time Jon mentioned it to the rest of the band members, Chris probably said ... my bass would never fit, and Steve went ... so much for my input in the band ... or something silly like that. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:30
I may be wrong of course but as far as I am aware Vangelis has nothing to do with that album. As for the rest..well your just making it up.
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:46
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I knew I shouldn't have mentioned Vangelis...... ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: chefrobb
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:55
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Karn Evil 9 was the music for the local evening news in LA in the mid 70's. ------------- chefrobb |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:57
Which bit? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chefrobb
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 16:00
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Peter Gabriel played flute on a Cat Stevens track....not sure which. ------------- chefrobb |
Posted By: chefrobb
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 16:01
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The opening of "side" 2 ------------- chefrobb |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 16:17
No way, Mosquito spewing nonsense? I find that oh so hard to believe |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 16:50
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Prior to picking up a flute, Ian Anderson was toying around with guitar. He sold it to a guy from another local Blackpool band - The Rockin' Vicars (an older friend of mine saw them live, they played in Yugoslavia in '65) . The guy later changed it for a bass, and formed Motorhead. ------------- |
Posted By: Rune2000
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 17:23
I only recently discovered Cat Stevens' 18-minute long Foreigner-suite, from 1973, which might not be all that progressive but its the thought that counts! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 17:44
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Cat Stevens music is great, but not more Prog than Donovan. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 18:06
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not less prog either ------------- What? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 19:39
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Not Prog at all IMO. Iván -------------
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 20:17
| Apparently, after Rick Wakeman left Yes, Chris Squire (I think, maybe it was Jon Anderson) called up Keith Emerson and offered him a position in Yes as a keyboardist. Keith declined, since he had just gotten back from an American tour of his own successful band. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 20:30
I have the newspaper article. It's part of the material I have offered to the PA via Dean ... but he hasn't read the email or responded to it.
I wanted to find a repository for my insane cabinet of articles, press materials and all kinds of stuff.
That Snow Dog doesn't believe me ... that's ok ... he wouldn't know Vangelis from a stick in the mud, I don't think, and he has never heard Apphrodite's Child, which had sold more albums than Yes, up until the time of Fragile ... and you can read a lot of these things on Wiki as well.
I have never invented anything here, so you know who the people are that have no interest in believing some things that were there ... you see ... black this and that never happened in America ... the VietNam was didn't exist ... the IRA stuff was a joke ... KC was about jagged guitars and odd time signatures, not about the time and place ... the typical type of material and information that goes a long way to show how comercial music and top ten should be ... never an artist!
And PA's supposed "Admins" are not demonstrating knowledge and intelligence and making sure their group doesn't come off as petty, and stupid -- and full of sh*t! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 20:33
It was specially big on KMET with several of their folks ... and this was a few years before the station was closed down when they got in trouble and it became "The Wave" ... you can just about read all about it on the album "Radio KAOS". Jim Ladd was from KLOS then, I think. And Joe Collins (KMET) was also doing his weekly jazz show (a pretty good one too!) in Santa Barbara on KTYD ... and it was right after Joe's show that Space Pirate Radio lived for many years. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 20:40
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Most everyone knows the sordid tale of the breakup of Kansas. Following the incredibly divided recording of 1981's Audio-Visions, Steve Walsh told Kerry Livgren to stick the Christianity up his arse and departed. Kerry would carry on for a brief while with stand-in John Elfante, then dissolve the group following the nadir album of their career, Drastic Measures. What fewer people know is that, at the time of Walsh's leaving, the band had already laid down the preliminaries to the follow up to Audio-Visions. Whether or not the album was going to be called Vinyl Confessions is open to debate, but the rough demos contain numerous tracks later recorded with John Elfante. The result is a lost Kansas record, more or less, featuring numerous tracks that can't be found elsewhere in the band's discography in any form (though some would later be recorded by Walsh and Livgren as solo tracks). Standouts include It's Almost 1984, Gun Runner, Breakout, and the epic Livgren track Children of the Shadows. Sadly the tapes are in an advanced state of decay, and the band has shown no interest in their remastering; still, it's a cluster of excellent demos well worth hunting down (I believe the most common bootleg title is 'Finyl Confessions'). Had Steinhardt laid down more material (only three of the tracks feature any noticeable violin), I would gladly proclaim these abandoned sessions as the best Kansas record since Point of Know Return. ------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 20:45
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Hi,
Tangerine Dream ... the club that brought out a lot of the electronic folks, including Tangerine Dream, was originally owned by Chris Franke's family!
Puts a different spin on Neu, Kluster, Harmonia, Faust, Tangerine Dream, Agitation Free, Kraftwerk ... and many of those early electronic folks! Someone likes the music and allows it to play left and right and one day ... it hits big!
Can had two members of their band that were Stockhausen students ... so all you progressive folks that have this idea that prog is not educated and only played by people that only know rock'n'roll and how to count to 4 ... check again, please! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 20:50
If I can find a really old "Wizardo" catalogue, I'm almost sure that a lot of that stuff was available as a bootleg ... and that it had also been around for some time ... but the band couldn't decide how to handle it, or had personnel issues already ... the titles appear to be familiar. The Wizardo catalogue I had was from 1979 or 80. It came as a sleeve on another bootleg. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 20:52
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Lemmi from Moterhead was an ELP roaddie. He once gave Emerson a knife so he could stab his hammond so it would hold a single note.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:15
Vangelis wasn't creatively involved in Olias as far as anyone knows, and both he and Jon have said that he wasn't involved creatively. Jon did use a ton of Vangelis gear from synths, mics to percussion instruments for the recording (which is why a lot of the synth sounds and ethnic influence sounds like Vangelis), although there's no concrete evidence to support the claims. There was a rumour that Vangelis was going to be involved on Olias of Sunhillow, but the rumour says that Jon's record company at them time didn't give Vangelis the go-ahead to be involved. I doubt it'll ever be truly proven either way, although I can't see any real reasons for both Jon and Vangelis to straight-up deny it if it didn't happen.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:24
He would have been a roadie for The Nice then, not ELP. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:31
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:35
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Oh. This is where I got that tidbit from.... I'd never heard of The Nice ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:36
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:40
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Many years ago--Jon Anderson did something so horrible to Vangelis---that Vangelis has never spoken to him again --in spite of JA trying to make it right---what did JA do or say? Anyone know?
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Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:40
This is so going in my signature. ------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:47
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There are two progressive musicians named Peter Robinson with more in common than just their names both played keyboards, both started recording with progressive groups in the early seventies period, and even had a similar playing style Peter Robinson from the UK played in Quatermass, Sun Treader, Brand X, and many others Peter Robinson from the US played in jazz-rock group Contraband both musicians later went on to write music for television and movies the UK one is now properly known as J. Peter Robinson, and the American is known as Peter Manning Robinson so there is no more potential for confusion |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:54
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Sherman Hemsley AKA George Jefferson is known as a huge prog fan. As a matter of fact, he is such a Gentle Giant fanboy that he went on the Dinah Shore show and did a tap dance to Proclamation. Maybe this isn't that obscure. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 21:54
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 23:41
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Bassist/Vocalist Burke Shelley of Welsh rock band Budgie lived for a year in Toronto, Canada (1977) Jurgen Fritz formerly of German prog band Triumvirat has of recent years been writing and playing music with the band of the German singer Tommy Engel, which has also recently included Elke Schlimbach as a backing vocalist, who was the sister of the former guitar player/singer of Triumvirat the late Helmut Koellen, and has had a long career of doing backing vocals for varied artists including Triumvirat, Helmut Koellen's solo record, and even Boney M at one point |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 01:01
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Great topic although at the same time it's frustrating to realise how little I know...
Elton John played a tour in 1967 with the Schulman brothers early band Simon Dupree and the Big Sound.
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~peterkin/elton_john_with_simon_dupree_1968.htm" rel="nofollow - http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~peterkin/elton_john_with_simon_dupree_1968.htm
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 03:20
You said yourself " I suppose that...." THAT is making things up! And you have no idea what I know or don't know about Vangelis. You are making it all up again.
You see...all made up...or should we call it supposition?
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 03:27
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 03:29
I nearly called him a name. I hope ypu are glad i didn't.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 03:41
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Jonas Hallberg guitarist of the swedish Simon Says seems to have some habit to record his solos naked.
I wouldn't mind being Jon Camp if Annie Haslam had done the same
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Brian May has a degree in Astrophysics.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 03:44
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The Brian May thing is hardly obscure. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 04:04
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Black Widow's original drummer Romeo Challenger went on to play with Showaddywaddy Captain Beefheart (Don Van Vliet) is distantly related to Wallis Simpson, the wife of Edward VIII - his maternal grandmother was Simpson's 2nd cousin. Van Vliet's stage name came from a term used by his Uncle Alan. Alan had a habit of exposing himself to Don's erstwhile girlfriend, Laurie. Alan would urinate with the bathroom door open and, if she was walking by, mumble about his penis, saying "Ahh, what a beauty! It looks just like a big, fine beef heart." Gryphon is the only band who have ever managed to get airplay on B.B.C Radios 1,2,3 & 4 in the same week (this record still stands even today) David Kaffinetti - Keyboard player with early 70's UK proto prog group Rare Bird, played the part of Spinal Tap's ivory tickler Viv Savage. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 04:35
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^ Gryphon also appeared on British kids TV programmes "Jim I'll Fix It" and "Magpie" - on the latter they played a version of the Magpie theme tune (the originally version was by The Spencer Davis Group) ------------- What? |
Posted By: Verwuestung
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 05:09
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Elton John failed at 2 lead vocalists trials early in his youth. one was for King Crimson, the other Gentle Giant. his original name was dwight, later changed to elton john in homage to Bluesology saxophonist Elton Dean (later of Soft Machine fame) and Long John Baldry Pick Withers, the drummer of what I consider legendary band Spring later became the drummer of Dire Strait's first 4 albums |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 05:18
yes it was The Nice (and Hendrix too I believe) - Wakeman was fired from Warhorse's Red Sea sessions due to lack of attendance. That's all I got. ..and I've heard that stuff about Greg Lake not liking Tarkus but I suspect this may be somewhat exaggerated; his vital contributions to the record make it seem unlikely he was not fond of and committed to the album, and the fact that he may have wanted to go in a more commercial direction doesn't mean he resented making it |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 05:24
Marsha Hunt was also in Bluesology with Dwight, Dean and Baldry, she married Mike Ratledge of Soft Machine. The Stones' Brown Sugar was allegedly written about her. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 05:26
He didn't resent making it once he had heard it and became convinced of its worth. But I can check again the facts. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 05:31
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no I trust you, I just suspect he was pleased with the result (as you suggest) |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 06:46
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Lake's resistance to Tarkus was based on hearing Emerson play him Eruption on a piano in Keith's London flat (he had not heard the remainder of the suite at that point and suggested Keith confine such music to a solo album!?) You have to remember that of the three, Greg's gifts were more melodic than technical, and judging by his solo material, undoubtedly had the most conservative tastes of the trio. -------------
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 07:05
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Probably not very obscure either but here it goes...
The track Birthright in ABWH was actually written by Howe for GTR and can be heard in the bootleg "Nerotrend, the unreleased 2nd GTR album" with the name "This World's Big Enough". Anderson would change the lyrics into the opposite "this world ain't big enough".
The track appears also in Yes, Relatives and Frieds and Howe's solo album Homebrew with the name Red and White so it has appeared with at least 3 different names.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 07:15
Phil Collins played on Camel's "I Can See Your House From Here"  ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 07:18
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On the cover of my vinyl copy of Lord of the Rings it's written that Jimi Hendrix was used to jam with Bo Hansson and he's likely playing uncredited on this album. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 08:23
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 10:38
That's not too accurate either, the radical Christian musicians (Livegren, and Dave Hope) left the band after the New Year''s final presentation on December 31, 1983. They didn't dissolved Kansas, simply left because Kerry believed that Kansas didn't represented his Christian world viewand he formed AD With contracts to honour, Kansas had to follow, so .Elefante, Ehart, and Williams recorded one more song called "Perfect Lover" that appeared in the 1984 retrospective album "The Best of Kansas" and John left. The problem is that only Phil Ehart and Rich Williams stayed as members of the band, so instead of quiting, Ehart started the resurrection of Kansas in 1985, he searched for Walsh, who accepted to come back being that Livegren wasn't in the band, but he came with a surprise, the bassist of "Street" Billy Greer and they recruited Steve Morse to release the "Power" album in 1986. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 11:25
Gracias for the clarification. I was obviously much more excited about conveying the info concerning their 'lost' record...amusing that I would gloss over the known info instead. When Freddie Mercury first grew his mustache at the onset of the 80s, the band's fan club was bombarded with fan letters accompanied by black nail polish and razor blades. ------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 11:44
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Roger Hodgson was asked to replace Jon Andersons role as lead singer,after Jon left the band in the 90s, he also co-wrote a track on the album Talk - called Walls
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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 13:07
And we haven't heard what it was that Keith actually played to Greg. We only have the end result, which Greg produced and contributed to. Anyway, here's an obscure fact from the time of early Pink Floyd: Syd Barrett had a Jimmy Page complex of sorts so he wanted David Gilmour to join the band, to take on the solo guitar duties. He never asked though, because David already had his own band, Joker's Wild. Source: a letter Syd wrote to his girl friend Libby Gausden, cited in Mark Blake's book Pigs might fly. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: December 11 2010 at 14:32
Prior to forming a Croatian prog band http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1479" rel="nofollow - Time , guitarist Vedran Bozich jammed with the guy below. ------------- |
Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 09:46
Indeed. But think of how much more you know now. ------------- We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Captain Malcolm Reynolds Reality rules, Honor the truth Chemist99a R.I.P. |
Posted By: dave-the-rave
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 11:34
Not too obscure, and not too prog on either end.
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Posted By: dave-the-rave
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 11:34
Not too obscure, and not too prog on either end.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 12:23
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Jazz icon Miles Davis liked, and sometimes commented on, the music of German band Embryo guitarist Eddy Marron was chosen as a musician for the Olympic games in Innsbruck, Austria in the sixties Atomic Rooster's 1983 album Headline News features Dave Gilmour from Pink Floyd as a guest guitarist |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 12:46
Any truth to Bo Hansson writing the instrumental "Tax Free" for Hendrix?
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 16:15
| Robert Fripp recorded an album's worth of material with a witch. I'm not too sure when he put this plan in motion. The Lizard or Islands period maybe? I believe it was titled Abracadabra. I remember reading something about it a long time ago. It may have been written about in Syd Smith's book. There was an actual description of an LP. Side 1 and 2. I doubt Fripp will ever release it. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 16:47
I don't know if it was written for Hendrix, but on "Live at Winterland" Jimi makes specific note about the Swedish guys who wrote the tune. |