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Topic: Genesis vs Renaissance
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Genesis vs Renaissance
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 19:33

I have heard alot of Genesis

I have heard close to nothing on Renaissance
 
but both bands are prog pioneers and two very important bands in prog and popular music,
 
both are symphonic prog rock as far as I know,
 
folk influence might also be an element (i know it is on Genesis, have no clue regarding Renaissance)
 
this is also a partly recomandation/awakening poll for me to get an interest for the Renaissances music, can it stand up against the mighty Genesis,
 
or will this be close to an Apocalypse Evil Smile 


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Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 19:49
Both are good but Genesis is the winner here! =)

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 19:54
Hi,
 
Renaissance.
 
In the end, the body of work deserves more respect and attention than a lot of Genesis' music specially when they went pop and I was no longer interested. I carried Genesis until "Trick of the Tail" and the rest ... not important or needed. And I can tell you I have a lot more Renaissance albums and that Annie's voice is a lot prettier than Phil's ever was, not to mention that the lyricism and work done by Renaissance was much better written and defined and had more than one world known poetess writing for them!
 
Sorry ... Genesis comes off as just pop music by comparison!


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 22:22
Originally posted by moshkito

Hi,
 
Renaissance.
 
In the end, the body of work deserves more respect and attention than a lot of Genesis' music specially when they went pop and I was no longer interested. I carried Genesis until "Trick of the Tail" and the rest ... not important or needed. And I can tell you I have a lot more Renaissance albums and that Annie's voice is a lot prettier than Phil's ever was, not to mention that the lyricism and work done by Renaissance was much better written and defined and had more than one world known poetess writing for them!
 
Sorry ... Genesis comes off as just pop music by comparison!


My, my, you do sound like the prog equivalent of a tr00 old Metallica fan.Wink  I don't think there are very many people on this forum who admire Annie Haslam's singing more than me but sorry, Genesis, easily.  Not the sum total of Renaissance's prog albums can amount to the sheer brilliance of Lamb or Foxtrot or SEBTP in their individual capacities.   Renaissance were solid and tasteful and, especially live, propped up in no small measure by Annie's talents, Genesis at their best shimmered with brilliance and genius.

But since aginor wanted Renaissance recommendations, I will answer to that.  If you'd like to start off with their more ambitious side, I'd suggest Novella or Scheherazade and other Stories. Also, Song for All Seasons, where they began to go pop (ermmmm, Timeline, mr.moshkito!) but the two long tracks should still satiate symph prog fans.  Ashes are Burning and Turn of the Cards are more accessible and easier to get into but there's the possibility you might write it off as too lightweight for classic prog. Novella will call for a lot more application but is eventually more rewarding.  Should you like the singing, I'd then recommend investigating their live stuff more because that's where Annie's talents are in greater evidence.  A primer:

[tube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi_QCi4rjZM [/tube]

The arrangements have been rejigged - badly! - for the 80s but the singing should not be passed over. This is what the song - Ashes Are Burning -sounded like on the original 70s studio album:

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTI1oP762rw [/tube]

I know a little bit of your tastes - you like somewhat glossy, polished pop, am I right?  You might then like both these songs:

[tube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWjzIyDkEIM [/tube]

[tube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvFPlWh1yQY [/tube]




Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 22:23
Certainly Renaissance is an excellent band, but they don't compare to Genesis.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 21 2011 at 22:54
I've only heard one live album by Rennaisance, and many other albums from Genesis. Needless to say, I enjoy both bands a lot. I would like to vote for Renaissance here, but I think one live album is not enough to do so, I don't really know if there are enough songs of the same quality to make them bigger than Genesis for me. However, getting more Renaissance albums is one of my prog priorities at the moment.


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 00:25
Renaissance.  The first album of theirs I got was Live at Carnegie Hall.  It served as a good introduction to several phases of the band's music in the 70s.  But really, anything from Prologue to Azure D'Or will give you a taste of their sound.  Many might be surprised at my mentioning the latter album, but I think it maintains much of the classic Renaissance sound even though the songs are trimmed down both in terms of length and orchestration.  I will take Annie Haslam's voice over just about anybody's, including Gabriel and Collins.

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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 02:17
Renaissance!Nice folk band!I like more Genesis but sometimes are technical.

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Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 02:21
I've been on a bit of a Renaissancve buzz recently, they're such good song writers and more proggy than I had expected, but Genesis still wins easily for me. Turn of the Cards and Ashes are Burning is where I'd start with their music.

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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 04:11
I voted both (because you offered it). I like Genesis a bit more, but Renaissance is definitely in my top ten of favourite bands. If you are new to Renaissance, try Live at Carnegie Hall . Thumbs Up


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 04:36
Just go and listen to Renaissance, if you are a Genesis fan you will probably like them but there's no need to compare them to make a judgement.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 04:38
Both, but I prefer Genesis. Nevertheless, Turn of the Cards is a great album.

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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 05:01
Genesis easily when thinking of Gabriel era masterpieces. But after Gabriel their material was so weak, mostly embarrasing pop songs (though few decent prog song I admit), that I´d prefer Renaissance.

Voted Genesis just because of Trespass > >> > Lamb masterpieces.

From Renaissance I recommend Prologue, Turn Of The Cards and Scheherazade. Fantastic albums!


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 05:27
Originally posted by akaBona

Genesis easily when thinking of Gabriel era masterpieces. But after Gabriel their material was so weak, mostly embarrasing pop songs (though few decent prog song I admit), that I´d prefer Renaissance.

Voted Genesis just because of Trespass > >> > Lamb masterpieces.

From Renaissance I recommend Prologue, Turn Of The Cards and Scheherazade. Fantastic albums!


This is not directed to you particularly but I just want to generally ask do you folks like Ren's pop albums? Shocked
As much as I dislike pop Genesis, Timeline really 'takes the cake', unrelentingly third rate with Annie sounding uncomfortable and out of character. Camera Camera is not much better. Azure D' Or wasn't too bad and without the dry production values, would be a little better regarded. 


Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 05:39
i just love both bands, but it seems i get back more often to renaissance these daysWink


Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 05:39
Originally posted by chopper

Just go and listen to Renaissance, if you are a Genesis fan you will probably like them but there's no need to compare them to make a judgement.
this , by all means ! start with ashes , turn & prologue !    

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Posted By: BlindGuard
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 06:50
Both!

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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 06:51
Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by akaBona

Genesis easily when thinking of Gabriel era masterpieces. But after Gabriel their material was so weak, mostly embarrasing pop songs (though few decent prog song I admit), that I´d prefer Renaissance.

Voted Genesis just because of Trespass > >> > Lamb masterpieces.

From Renaissance I recommend Prologue, Turn Of The Cards and Scheherazade. Fantastic albums!


This is not directed to you particularly but I just want to generally ask do you folks like Ren's pop albums? Shocked
As much as I dislike pop Genesis, Timeline really 'takes the cake', unrelentingly third rate with Annie sounding uncomfortable and out of character. Camera Camera is not much better. Azure D' Or wasn't too bad and without the dry production values, would be a little better regarded. 


Ren's pop albums don't belong to my collection. Actually there is lots of late Ren material I have not heard, only some extracts from their last 5-6 albums. The main Renaissance albums were recorded in 70's, same thing with Genesis and for example with Yes.

Actually this was a good reminder to listen some Renaissance again.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 07:15
Originally posted by akaBona

Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by akaBona

Genesis easily when thinking of Gabriel era masterpieces. But after Gabriel their material was so weak, mostly embarrasing pop songs (though few decent prog song I admit), that I´d prefer Renaissance.

Voted Genesis just because of Trespass > >> > Lamb masterpieces.

From Renaissance I recommend Prologue, Turn Of The Cards and Scheherazade. Fantastic albums!


This is not directed to you particularly but I just want to generally ask do you folks like Ren's pop albums? Shocked
As much as I dislike pop Genesis, Timeline really 'takes the cake', unrelentingly third rate with Annie sounding uncomfortable and out of character. Camera Camera is not much better. Azure D' Or wasn't too bad and without the dry production values, would be a little better regarded. 


Ren's pop albums don't belong to my collection. Actually there is lots of late Ren material I have not heard, only some extracts from their last 5-6 albums. The main Renaissance albums were recorded in 70's, same thing with Genesis and for example with Yes.

Actually this was a good reminder to listen some Renaissance again.


Yes, you'd be well advised to stay far away from their later material but everything up to Song for All Seasons is essential for a Renaissance fan.


Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 10:23
Genesis

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 15:06
Originally posted by Progosopher

Renaissance.  The first album of theirs I got was Live at Carnegie Hall.  It served as a good introduction to several phases of the band's music in the 70s.  But really, anything from Prologue to Azure D'Or will give you a taste of their sound.  Many might be surprised at my mentioning the latter album, but I think it maintains much of the classic Renaissance sound even though the songs are trimmed down both in terms of length and orchestration.  I will take Annie Haslam's voice over just about anybody's, including Gabriel and Collins.
 
Azure D'Or is the only album I have by Renaissance. Didn't encourage me to go farther although I do love Annie's voice. 


Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 00:48
Originally posted by richardh

Originally posted by Progosopher

Renaissance.  The first album of theirs I got was Live at Carnegie Hall.  It served as a good introduction to several phases of the band's music in the 70s.  But really, anything from Prologue to Azure D'Or will give you a taste of their sound.  Many might be surprised at my mentioning the latter album, but I think it maintains much of the classic Renaissance sound even though the songs are trimmed down both in terms of length and orchestration.  I will take Annie Haslam's voice over just about anybody's, including Gabriel and Collins.
 
Azure D'Or is the only album I have by Renaissance. Didn't encourage me to go farther although I do love Annie's voice. 


You choice of "Azure D'Or" could only have been better at representing the Renaissance sound had you chosen "Camera, Camera" to listen to first. All the albums from "Ashes are Burning" to "Song for all Seasons" are worth a listen. Renaissance are a great band but still not in the class of Genesis (no disrespect to Renaissance).


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 05:03
As much as I love Renaissance, Genesis remain my all time time favourite prog band. Renaissance have made albums that trump some of the post W&W Genesis albums, but by and large their best does not compare with the best work of Genesis imo.

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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 06:11
I prefer Renaissance and consider them more "symphonic" than Genesis


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 06:21
Oh my god! What´s the meaning of these polls with evidently presupposed results?Angry
 
It seems to be unexhaustible source of topics: Prog Giant vs. Outsider!


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 11:49
Originally posted by Gandalff

Oh my god! What´s the meaning of these polls with evidently presupposed results?Angry
 
It seems to be unexhaustible source of topics: Prog Giant vs. Outsider!


Renaissance are not 'outsiders', just second division/weaker.


Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 11:50
Genesis. Even post-Peter Genesis over Renaissance.

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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 11:51
Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by Gandalff

Oh my god! What´s the meaning of these polls with evidently presupposed results?Angry
 
It seems to be unexhaustible source of topics: Prog Giant vs. Outsider!


Renaissance are not 'outsiders', just second division/weaker.


It was an attempt at irony, and not a very good one at that.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 21:15
Originally posted by rogerthat

 My, my, you do sound like the prog equivalent of a tr00 old Metallica fan.Wink  I don't think there are very many people on this forum who admire Annie Haslam's singing more than me but sorry, Genesis, easily. 
 
I think my collection of Renaissance far exceeds Genesis' and started much earlier. I was already into Renaissance before Genesis came along with "Selling England By The Pound" for me, and I immediately got their previous 2 albums and when they went pop music, I went with Anthony Phillips a friend that has allowed me to use his music in a poem and hopefully in a movie that I am working on. (I have used kevin Ayers before also). I have more AP albums than Genesis. I have more Renaissance than Genesis ... because Genesis after 4 albums is done and over with!
 
Sorry ... but when Peter left, Genesis only lasted one album and I think that material was already written with Peter. The material in Trick of the Tail resembles Peter's material with Genesis, not what Genesis went on to do.


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 22:22
Originally posted by moshkito

Originally posted by rogerthat

 My, my, you do sound like the prog equivalent of a tr00 old Metallica fan.Wink  I don't think there are very many people on this forum who admire Annie Haslam's singing more than me but sorry, Genesis, easily. 
 
I think my collection of Renaissance far exceeds Genesis' and started much earlier. I was already into Renaissance before Genesis came along with "Selling England By The Pound" for me, and I immediately got their previous 2 albums and when they went pop music, I went with Anthony Phillips a friend that has allowed me to use his music in a poem and hopefully in a movie that I am working on. (I have used kevin Ayers before also). I have more AP albums than Genesis. I have more Renaissance than Genesis ... because Genesis after 4 albums is done and over with!
 
Sorry ... but when Peter left, Genesis only lasted one album and I think that material was already written with Peter. The material in Trick of the Tail resembles Peter's material with Genesis, not what Genesis went on to do.


Er, the point is the albums with Peter are by far better than Renaissance, though you may well argue on that point too.  I guess Genesis is "twee" and "weird" while Ren is classical...eh, whatever.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 25 2011 at 22:41
Originally posted by richardh

Originally posted by Progosopher

Renaissance.  The first album of theirs I got was Live at Carnegie Hall.  It served as a good introduction to several phases of the band's music in the 70s.  But really, anything from Prologue to Azure D'Or will give you a taste of their sound.  Many might be surprised at my mentioning the latter album, but I think it maintains much of the classic Renaissance sound even though the songs are trimmed down both in terms of length and orchestration.  I will take Annie Haslam's voice over just about anybody's, including Gabriel and Collins.
 
Azure D'Or is the only album I have by Renaissance. Didn't encourage me to go farther although I do love Annie's voice. 


Azure D'Or is not particularly representative of Ren and, barring Forever Changing, not much of Annie's talents either.


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 02:30
is their prog bands named Exodus and Armageddon 

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 02:39
Genesis

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 02:46
Originally posted by Anirml

Both are good but Genesis is the winner here! =)


Indeed


Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 11:01
Renaissance. Genesis sucks.

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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 11:10
Originally posted by Junges

Genesis sucks.
 
This is not really the kind of comment we can expect on a prog rock forum...


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 12:03
I have all of Genesis' prog albums and two Renaissance compilation CDs.  From a quantity standpoint it goes to the former.  From a prog standpoint, I like the former slightly better but they're really close.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 14:15
Already got more Renaissance albums... and I would like to vote for them because they are really exellent... I certainly would not put them under Genesis... but neither would I put them above them. So I vote Both. If there wasn't that option on this poll, I think I would actually vote Renaissance, Annies voice is just a delight to hear, while Gabriel's is almost a torture.


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 14:42
Voted for both, they both made outstanding music, I don't care that they released also very weak stuff in their careers.
If you're not into Renaissance I recommend of course all their most praised albums, but also  A Song for All Seasons, not highly rated but very much worth it.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 14:58
^SfaS isn't low rated.  I have two songs off that and they are quite good.

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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 16:48
I prefer Renaissance because of the folkiness and because Annie Haslam is an angel (Gabriel and Collins do not sound like angels).

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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 19:01
Genesis

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 18:23
Genesis. They were awesoming BIG TIME '69-'73 with four-five albums while Renaissance were awesoming a time not as big '73-'75 with only two-three albums.

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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 20:31
Originally posted by Eärendil

Certainly Renaissance is an excellent band, but they don't compare to Genesis.


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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 20:40
Genesis because duh

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 21:24
^ ... Because du-u-u-u-uh?

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 02:40
Originally posted by moshkito

Hi,
 
Renaissance.
 
In the end, the body of work deserves more respect and attention than a lot of Genesis' music specially when they went pop and I was no longer interested. I carried Genesis until "Trick of the Tail" and the rest ... not important or needed. And I can tell you I have a lot more Renaissance albums and that Annie's voice is a lot prettier than Phil's ever was, not to mention that the lyricism and work done by Renaissance was much better written and defined and had more than one world known poetess writing for them!
 
Sorry ... Genesis comes off as just pop music by comparison!


Sorry but I think you have lost the plot with this oneStern Smile

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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 03:44
both for sure


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 08:37
Renaissance for me.  Everything pretty much from Prologue to A Song for all Seasons was very strong.  Genesis connected with me here and there in a very big way, like Musical Box, Entangled, Lamia, Cinema Show, but Renaissance reached my spirit consistently. Re their pop albums, I am not going to argue for Azure D'Or, IMO their worst album before the long breakup, or Time Line, but I do think Camera Camera is pretty good, with at least 2 songs that totally measure up to earlier material - "Okichi San" and "Ukraine Ways", a credible follow up to "Northern Lights" in "Bonjour Swansong", and several decent new age meets prog attempts in the title cut and "Tyrant Tula".  At least they kept their melodic sense, whereas the GENESIS of 80s and beyond were mostly about Phil Collins incessant pounding as far as I could tell.


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:46
Originally posted by iluvmarillion

Originally posted by richardh

Originally posted by Progosopher

Renaissance.  The first album of theirs I got was Live at Carnegie Hall.  It served as a good introduction to several phases of the band's music in the 70s.  But really, anything from Prologue to Azure D'Or will give you a taste of their sound.  Many might be surprised at my mentioning the latter album, but I think it maintains much of the classic Renaissance sound even though the songs are trimmed down both in terms of length and orchestration.  I will take Annie Haslam's voice over just about anybody's, including Gabriel and Collins.
 
Azure D'Or is the only album I have by Renaissance. Didn't encourage me to go farther although I do love Annie's voice. 


You choice of "Azure D'Or" could only have been better at representing the Renaissance sound had you chosen "Camera, Camera" to listen to first. All the albums from "Ashes are Burning" to "Song for all Seasons" are worth a listen. Renaissance are a great band but still not in the class of Genesis (no disrespect to Renaissance).

Actually, see my post above.  Your choice of Azure D'Or is the worst possible.  It is a sham of their symphonic career.  At least if you had bought "Time Line" you would have known that this couldn't possibly be representative.  Please try "Turn of the Cards" and move backwards then forwards from there.

Don't forget that Renaissance started as a completely different group and that their self titled debut is highly regarded.  In 1977 the original group reformed as Illusion and released 2 excellent albums - "Out of the MIst" and "Illusion".  Jane Relf is the main singer and, while not Annie, she is easily more angelic than Peter of Phil, and those albums are very competitive with what Genesis was doing then.  So, while Renaissance will never win this poll, they do have Genesis ambushed thanks to two viable (artistically if not commercially) incarnations going at once.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:51
Originally posted by kenethlevine

Renaissance for me.  Everything pretty much from Prologue to A Song for all Seasons was very strong.  Genesis connected with me here and there in a very big way, like Musical Box, Entangled, Lamia, Cinema Show, but Renaissance reached my spirit consistently. Re their pop albums, I am not going to argue for Azure D'Or, IMO their worst album before the long breakup, or Time Line, but I do think Camera Camera is pretty good, with at least 2 songs that totally measure up to earlier material - "Okichi San" and "Ukraine Ways", a credible follow up to "Northern Lights" in "Bonjour Swansong", and several decent new age meets prog attempts in the title cut and "Tyrant Tula".  At least they kept their melodic sense, whereas the GENESIS of 80s and beyond were mostly about Phil Collins incessant pounding as far as I could tell.


I guess the s/t Genesis album has a few decent or even good songs.   That's All and, to an extent, Home by the Sea could have been on one of their 70s albums and while Job to do is very much of its time, it's effective while it lasts.   Don't care much for the subsequent albums 


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:59
Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by kenethlevine

Renaissance for me.  Everything pretty much from Prologue to A Song for all Seasons was very strong.  Genesis connected with me here and there in a very big way, like Musical Box, Entangled, Lamia, Cinema Show, but Renaissance reached my spirit consistently. Re their pop albums, I am not going to argue for Azure D'Or, IMO their worst album before the long breakup, or Time Line, but I do think Camera Camera is pretty good, with at least 2 songs that totally measure up to earlier material - "Okichi San" and "Ukraine Ways", a credible follow up to "Northern Lights" in "Bonjour Swansong", and several decent new age meets prog attempts in the title cut and "Tyrant Tula".  At least they kept their melodic sense, whereas the GENESIS of 80s and beyond were mostly about Phil Collins incessant pounding as far as I could tell.


I guess the s/t Genesis album has a few decent or even good songs.   That's All and, to an extent, Home by the Sea could have been on one of their 70s albums and while Job to do is very much of its time, it's effective while it lasts.   Don't care much for the subsequent albums 

There were a few good pop numbers in there, spread out over quite a few albums.  Agreed about Home by the Sea


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 10:13
Originally posted by b_olariu

both for sure



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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 11:33
Originally posted by Chris S

Originally posted by moshkito

Hi,
 
Renaissance.
 
In the end, the body of work deserves more respect and attention than a lot of Genesis' music specially when they went pop and I was no longer interested. I carried Genesis until "Trick of the Tail" and the rest ... not important or needed. And I can tell you I have a lot more Renaissance albums and that Annie's voice is a lot prettier than Phil's ever was, not to mention that the lyricism and work done by Renaissance was much better written and defined and had more than one world known poetess writing for them!
 
Sorry ... Genesis comes off as just pop music by comparison!


Sorry but I think you have lost the plot with this oneStern Smile

A bit like comparing a bicycle with a Harley. Sure opinions rule but whew.....not even close. Glad you like Camera Camera and think it is better than MamaShocked

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 28 2012 at 17:54
Originally posted by kenethlevine

Renaissance for me.  Everything pretty much from Prologue to A Song for all Seasons was very strong.  Genesis connected with me here and there in a very big way, like Musical Box, Entangled, Lamia, Cinema Show, but Renaissance reached my spirit consistently. Re their pop albums, I am not going to argue for Azure D'Or, IMO their worst album before the long breakup, or Time Line, but I do think Camera Camera is pretty good, with at least 2 songs that totally measure up to earlier material - "Okichi San" and "Ukraine Ways", a credible follow up to "Northern Lights" in "Bonjour Swansong", and several decent new age meets prog attempts in the title cut and "Tyrant Tula".  At least they kept their melodic sense, whereas the GENESIS of 80s and beyond were mostly about Phil Collins incessant pounding as far as I could tell.
indeed - both you and I put up 4 star reviews for Camera Camera - Camp's bass playing is outstanding !!  Annie is still amazing.  Sad, sad news about Mr Dunford Cry.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 15:46
I might add that there is no Genesis album that I like so much as a whole as "Turn of the Cards". I might even add "Ashes are Burning" and "Scheherazade"... I found those two a tiny bit weaker than Turn of the Cards, but still great. The thing with Genesis is that they always had some song I really dislike in their albums. But of course, they have such great songs on every album that it is forgiven.


Posted By: The Jester
Date Posted: December 04 2012 at 05:44
both were very important bands in my oppinion, for different reasons.
So I vote for both...


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 07 2012 at 10:03
Renaissance released a raft of brilliant albums from their debut (with the Keith Relf/John Hawken line up) up to .......well, probably Azure D'Or was the last good one. Genesis were brilliant from Trespass to Selling England, very good from The Lamb to Wind & Wuthering, then forgettable afterwards (unless you like sophisticated commercial pop music).
So both for me; both have enough gems in their discography to merit high praise, but they're not remotely similar.

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 21:36
I like Renaissance but they are up against the Mighty Genesis, so no contest.Genesis

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:09
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Genesis. They were awesoming BIG TIME '69-'73 with four-five albums while Renaissance were awesoming a time not as big '73-'75 with only two-three albums.
Ah ... why should it even be about the math? I like both. Maybe not equally, but I like them.

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:25
Yea whoever posted that first though must have been crazy.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:30
Wacko

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 17 2013 at 10:30
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Genesis. They were awesoming BIG TIME '69-'73 with four-five albums while Renaissance were awesoming a time not as big '73-'75 with only two-three albums.
Ah ... why should it even be about the math? I like both. Maybe not equally, but I like them.


Well, you COULD extend their awesoming phase up to 78.   But even then...not awesoming as much during that time as Genesis during their BIG TIME.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 12 2013 at 01:06
Originally posted by Junges

Renaissance. Genesis sucks.


Angry


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Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: March 12 2013 at 09:37
Originally posted by Man With Hat

Genesis

^ They are masters


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 12 2013 at 11:09
As much as I love Renaissance, this is really no contest.

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Posted By: iamathousandapples
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 23:55
Putting me between a rock and a hard place, and as much as I try and get Renaissance noticed I just love Genesis too much to not vote for them

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Posted By: Mirkwood
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:18
Sorry to say this, but the post-beard Phil Collins material is atrocious. Over 95% of it at least.

On the other hand, Renaissance's "Camera Camera" is not bad, quirky 1980s pop, but not bad at all. I haven't heard "Time-Line".


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:21
Big fan of Genesis, including a great deal of Collins era material, but I don't get along too well with Annie Haslam's vocals.

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:23
Originally posted by Mirkwood

Sorry to say this, but the post-beard Phil Collins material is atrocious. Over 95% of it at least.

On the other hand, Renaissance's "Camera Camera" is not bad, quirky 1980s pop, but not bad at all. I haven't heard "Time-Line".
 
Angry  Some of their later stuff is fairly atrocious, however they also did some great prog songs and some great pop songs as well.  Certainly, not over 95% of it.  Maybe about 1/3 is bad. 
 
To answer the poll, as much as I like Renaissance, this one has to go to Genesis. 


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 21:17
Originally posted by The Doctor

Originally posted by Mirkwood

Sorry to say this, but the post-beard Phil Collins material is atrocious. Over 95% of it at least.

On the other hand, Renaissance's "Camera Camera" is not bad, quirky 1980s pop, but not bad at all. I haven't heard "Time-Line".
 
Angry  Some of their later stuff is fairly atrocious, however they also did some great prog songs and some great pop songs as well.  Certainly, not over 95% of it.  Maybe about 1/3 is bad. 
 
To answer the poll, as much as I like Renaissance, this one has to go to Genesis. 

I'd probably take even the post-beard Collins material over Camera Camera but as far as Timeline goes, I have no doubt.   One of the worst albums I've heard.



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