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Topic: best spock's beard album
Posted By: grosssover
Subject: best spock's beard album
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 09:29
 explain your impresions about spock's beard in general ....



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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 10:58
I'm sorry but I don't do impressions.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 14:21
Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

I'm sorry but I don't do impressions.
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SpoilsportWink
 
''Nice to see you see you nice''
 
''Just like that''
 
''Betty''
 
..anyway out of Snow,Feel Euphoria and V I would say the last one gets my vote.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 17:00
I would agree with Richard, also the eponymous one and the latest X are very good as well.


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 20:44
I would say The Light is my favorite. It works on all levels for me, and to hear Neal singing about how he hopes someone f**king dies is hilarious. Tongue
 
The Kindness Of Strangers and Snow are also quite excellent. They've sadly yet to blow me away since Neal left. They are making progress, but the rate of progress is becoming baby steps at the largrest.


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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 21:24
I know it will not be popular, but I still love their debut album best.  There is something about "The Light" which I absolutely love.  I also like the second and third albums, and, of course, Snow.  But their debut album is among the greatest debuts of any band, and although they may have "progressed" some from there, it remains my fave.


Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 21:29
For me "V" is my favorite, the 2 long tracks and Thoughts Part 2 are terrific. Like others, I also like the debut quite a bit too. Post Neal I think "X" is far superior to any of the other releases and is a fine effort.


Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 21:33
I think I have to say The Light as well. For a long, long time I would have said Snow, but as I think about it I think I have to stick with the debut. The epics, even after all this time, are some of Neal's best ever, and the shorter songs work great as well. 

I must admit to a bit of a nostalgia factor in my vote, as The Light was the first modern symph-prog album I ever listened to.  Hearing the title track for the first time absolutely blew my mind and it's probably the reason I got as into prog as I did. 


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Posted By: natewait
Date Posted: February 10 2011 at 21:59
I would probably have to go with Snow. It is one of my all-time favorite albums. I think it should be counted among the other classic concept albums.

After that I might just have to go with X. I think it is truly excellent and shows post-Neal Spock's Beard at the top of their game. Every track on it is great (and it helps that NDV actually sings my name in the lyrics of one of the songs). It restored the band to being my favorite band after wavering a bit after Neal's departure. It is surprising, being the huge Neal fan I am, that I would place this above so many albums Neal was involved in.

After that I'd have to go with V for having two of my favorite all-time progressive rock epics (At The End of the Day and The Great Nothing).

 But, I do love all Spock's Beard albums. They all bring something great to the table.



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Posted By: Rasvamakkara
Date Posted: February 11 2011 at 01:52
Snow is pretty much my favourite album of all time. Maybe not musically anymore, but it's easily the most personally important album to me. Somehow I've managed to tie it into a lot of memories, good and bad. Snow was also the album that got me into progressive rock. 

The Light isn't far behind.


Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: February 11 2011 at 06:37

The first SB album I bought was The Light and I loved it to bits (still do). That said, V remains at the top of my list simply because the material on that album still does the most raising of the hairs on the back of my neck. I've recently purchased X and that is a very, very good album too (for me it's the first one that truly stands toe-to-toe with the Neal era stuff).



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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 11 2011 at 08:26
V is easily the best of the Morse years.  X the best since.
 
Snow is the worst of the Morse era.  It's barely progressive at all.  And the concept seems like a ripoff of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.


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Posted By: Hanyou
Date Posted: February 17 2011 at 21:15
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:


Snow is the worst of the Morse era.  It's barely progressive at all.  And the concept seems like a ripoff of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.

That really doesn't make it worse.  Although I do think that SB is at their best when they are progressive, Snow has some incredible non-prog moments.

That said, major parts of their first disc, and probably most of their second disc, are extremely progressive, as good as any of their long songs.  Just because it's doled out in shorter segments doesn't make material like "All Is Vanity" any less progressive.  As for it being a ripoff of The Lamb...I don't think so, even if it's obviously influenced by it.  Yes, it takes place in the streets of New York, but the music, concept (sort of), and presentation are all completely different.  It actually reminds me much more of Savatage's Streets: A Rock Opera, but that one might have been inspired by The Lamb Lies Down as well.

Anyway, Snow is my personal favorite album of all time, like the poster above me, but for their best...

V, X, and The Light, in that order.  Here's why:

V: Just consistent all the way through.  There's not a song on here that doesn't work or isn't appropriately placed, and the bookends are a couple of the best songs this band has ever written.  The album also covers everything that makes the Beard great--it's quirky, it's ambitious, it's serious, it's beautiful.  You have moments like "All on a Sunday," which is extremely playful and accessible.  But then you have "The Great Nothing," which, on top of being progressive, is just epic.  In spite of how huge it is, I've never felt it was weighed down by its own size; the parts fit together nicely and it never loses my attention.  "Thoughts pt. II" is rightly called out as one of the best.  It's such a blissful listening experience, and its only flaw is that it's too short. Also love the underrated Revelations.  I'm lucky this was my first Beard album.

X: Alright, I haven't given this much time and I still think it's one of the best things the band has ever done.  Let me explain.  As far as I'm concerned, there are three songs on here which blow away  much of the Beard's catalog: "Edge of the in-Between," "The Quiet House," and "Jaws of Heaven."  The first of these is upbeat and catchy, as an opener should be, but infused with much more energy than most of the band's openers.  "The Quiet House" is pretty damn heavy throughout, but boasts a memorable soft part, and it's busy enough that it demands that the listener hit the repeat button just to catch all the angles the song takes.  And "Jaws of Heaven," one of the most pretentious things the band has ever written, lives up to its over-the-top concept an lyrics by shifting focus and mood while still staying tethered to its central musical themes.  I really think this might be the band's best epic, even better than "The Light," "The Doorway," and "The Great Nothing."  High praise, but this is a song that has to be heard to be believed.

As for the other stuff, well..."The Emperor's Clothes" and "The Man Behind the Curtain" are fun, so no complaints. "Their Names Escape Me" is alright, but unlike many people, I think the song really tapers off in quality once Nick starts naming people.  I haven't listened to "Kamikaze" and "From the Darkness" intently enough to have an opinion on them, but the rest of the album is so good that even if they're weak, I'd still place this album as The Beard's second-best.  The top three songs are just that good, and the three "medium-quality" ones are as good as any of the shorter Morse-era songs.

The Light: I'll get straight to the point: the title track and track number 3, "The Water," are real highlights for me.  "The Light" moves seamlessly from theme to theme in a way that the band's never really improved on; this might be one of their most dynamic pieces of music and you can really tell they charged out of the gate with this one.  It alone is well worth the price of this album.  "The Water" is more quiet and contemplative, and also less unified.  I could easily see it being divided into separate tracks.  But the point is that it works as a longer epic.

"Go the Way You Go" is just okay.  It justifies the symphonic prog label and it's consistent.  It's not grating.  But to me it just serves to bridge the gap between the title track and the other highlight, without standing out much on its own.  "On the Edge" is decent, but Spock's Beard would write better "catchy" songs later, and even if stuff like "Skin" was less progressive, it's a better quick fix.  I'd go so far as to say that compared to the other three tracks, "On the Edge" sounds like filler.

...okay, that was probably too long.  Sorry.


Posted By: natewait
Date Posted: February 17 2011 at 23:25
^ Great post Hanyou! I agree with pretty much every word. As my post above says, my top three Spock's Beard albums in order are Snow, X and then V, which matches up nicely with what you said.




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Posted By: Hanyou
Date Posted: February 18 2011 at 12:53
Originally posted by natewait natewait wrote:

^ Great post Hanyou! I agree with pretty much every word. As my post above says, my top three Spock's Beard albums in order are Snow, X and then V, which matches up nicely with what you said.



Haha, thanks.  I might have been too hard on Snow and it probably shouldn't be left off the list...X, The Light, and Snow are so close together for me that on any given day of the week my opinion on their order could vary.  Since Snow is my personal favorite, though, I was a little harder on it when trying to be objective.  It's an essential Neal-era recording, and so probably more important than X.

I really do think V is the best of the Neal era, though, mostly because it's just one of the most consistently high-quality musical albums I've ever heard, and at the same time it boasts variety.  I have to be in a certain mood to listen to X or even Snow, whereas V should have something for everyone at every time.  The only reason I don't listen to it much anymore is because I wore it out in my first few months of owning it.  In time, though, I'll probably be listening to it on a daily basis again. LOL

Snow and The Light are good, but I just don't think they're as consistent, though there's not a moment of Snow I'd change.

My favorites are probably Snow, V, and The Light, in that order.  I'd need to give X more time (and I'd need to listen more to From the Darkness) before I added it to that list.


Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 18 2011 at 12:55
Originally posted by Hanyou Hanyou wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:


Snow is the worst of the Morse era.  It's barely progressive at all.  And the concept seems like a ripoff of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.

That really doesn't make it worse.
 
In this case, it does.
 
While it does have some very good music on it, it also has some boring stretches.


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 22 2011 at 17:46
The Light
 
Octane
 
Spock's Beard LIve
 
X
 
Snow
 
V
 
Thats it really


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Posted By: JakeMM626
Date Posted: February 22 2011 at 18:15
I'm surprised to see no one mention Beware of Darkness. That was the album that got me into Spock's Beard and I believe it to be one of the better prog albums of the 90's. The piano and acoustic guitar passages are reminiscent of Yes and Genesis. Great guitars too, lots of soul. 

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Posted By: FunkyM
Date Posted: February 22 2011 at 20:04
I'm going to have to disagree with a few people and say Snow, hands down. I just find it the most consistent of their albums. X and V would probably be the next two on my list though.


Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: February 22 2011 at 20:46
Originally posted by JakeMM626 JakeMM626 wrote:

I'm surprised to see no one mention Beware of Darkness. That was the album that got me into Spock's Beard and I believe it to be one of the better prog albums of the 90's. The piano and acoustic guitar passages are reminiscent of Yes and Genesis. Great guitars too, lots of soul. 
 
You've found an ally in me.... Yep, "Beware of Darkness". Fantastic album!
I still rate it lower than "The Light" though, but not that far.
 
I got fed up with SB after "Snow"... but it might just be me, so don't pay too much attention.
I just happen to prefer their earlier works a lot more than whatever came afterwards. It's called 'personal taste'.


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Posted By: Porcupinetheater
Date Posted: February 27 2011 at 00:18
For the most part, I enjoy Spock's Beard's music, but am rarely blown away by anything. However, I absolutely love Snow. 


Posted By: CouldntThinkOfAUsern
Date Posted: March 04 2014 at 16:20
Hmmm It's a tough call but I'd say the best 3 are Beware Of Darkness (If only just for The Doorway and Walking On The Wind), V, and Brief Nocturnes and Dreamless Sleep.


Posted By: RoeDent
Date Posted: March 04 2014 at 16:41
I haven't heard them all, so this could change, but right now my favourite Spock's album is Brief Nocturnes. I know it's their most recent, but it's amazing! Afterthoughts is my theme song.


Posted By: ProgVanWinkle
Date Posted: March 04 2014 at 18:44
To me they peaked with V.   Kindness of Stangers would be next.

I do like a lot of their post Neal stuff, but in bits and pieces.   With their recent ones being overall better than their first ones without Neal.


Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 04 2014 at 20:10
Not a fan of anything SB did post Neal Morse, and of the early era Day For Night and Snow just don't do much for me.
But V is a monster in my opinion, so well done and emotional. Also i'm a big fan of The Light, Beware Of Darkness and The Kindness Of Strangers.


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 04 2014 at 22:58
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Not a fan of anything SB did post Nela Morse, and of the early era Day For Night and Snow just don't do much for me.
But V is a monster in my opinion, so well done and emotional. Also i'm a big fan of The Light, Beware Of Darkness and The Kindness Of Strangers.
This is exactly my thoughts......and you are so right in that V is a killer cd and should be in any serious prog collection imho.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 05 2014 at 00:31
Haven't heard them all, but presently, I have a soft-spot for the debut - 'The Light'.


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 05 2014 at 02:37
I usually really dislike the Neal Morse kind of singing but I grew to like Spock's Beard's music somehow. My favorite would be Snow, the material is very strong and the concept works really well, it took me years to get to the point that I like this band but I finally did. V is also very good, the debut I couldn't get into for some reason.


Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: March 05 2014 at 21:32
V is the best. The Light is the most symphonic, and it's consistent, but the compositions aren't as fluid. Beware of Darkness has some extremely high highs that make me consider it. "The Doorway" is one of my favorite songs of all time.

I'm not alone in considering Neal alongside classical composers. Especially in his solo music, the approach is that of a composer, not a rock band. This is not remotely true for most prog artists.


Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: March 06 2014 at 03:06
V and Snow are for me easily the best two, they are both superb albums.  I'd just give V the edge for it's consistency.  X is an excellent album as well. 

To be fair all the others are good albums as well.


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: March 06 2014 at 09:10
well only SB albums I have are with Neal Morse . so which I am not the right person to answer this question. as I`ll be putting the album or albums would be TL, V and DFN.

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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 02:54
ok SB with Neal I have all there music. but after Neal I have none. so for a new to the newer music by the band. which album should I be listening to frist. many thanks.

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Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 06:26
The Light & Beware of Darkness are my faves. They are the most prog in the old way of thinking which suits my tastes. Of course they reminded me of other bands but added their own sound as well plus the uniqueness that NM brought to the band. Snow was one of those albums that I liked on first play but with each subsequent listen I liked it less and have not played it in years. Have heard the latest only once and liked what I heard but have yet to invest in a purchase.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 07:53
V and the last one with Ted Leonard are my favorites.
I don't like their debut album and Snow.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 08:16
"V"

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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 09:03
The Light, with V close behind.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 15:03
Brief Nocturnes and Dreamless Sleep has some killer material. I think I might even like that more than V.


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 11:47
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Brief Nocturnes and Dreamless Sleep has some killer material. I think I might even like that more than V.
LOLas I`ve only started listening to the NM post era in the last few weeks... I`m with you now?


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: March 19 2015 at 08:15
My favorites in order are

The Light
X

Brief Nocturnes has some killer material on it. (Submerged is an awful pop drek song though) Might be #4 on my list. I was never able to really get into Snow but I'm due to revisit it. The other albums have some great songs (The Doorway is amazing) but the albums overall don't hold up for me. I listened to Feel Euphoria a few months ago after literally not hearing it in years and was completely unimpressed. 


Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: March 19 2015 at 09:37
My favorite album would be Kindness of Strangers. It has a lot of good tracks on that album (especially The Doorway), and they were still young and raw and energetic, something you don't typically see in a symphonic prog band. For this reason, their debut is also very good.

After that, V and X are my next two favorites. V is a good album front-to-back, and X is their best album since Neal left. Tons of great moments on that album. I'm not familiar with their most recent album though.


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