Funk Poll #2: Jeff Beck VS Hancock
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Topic: Funk Poll #2: Jeff Beck VS Hancock
Posted By: The Quiet One
Subject: Funk Poll #2: Jeff Beck VS Hancock
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 12:57
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Pretty different in style, one is a showcase of the leader's talents while the band simply backs up funky rhythms, the other is a group work full of fresh ideas in the funk idiom.
What do they have in common? Both are funk-inspired jazz/fusion releases, and pretty successful both in their time.
Which is it gonna be, the guitar bites of Beck or the funkadelic Hancock?
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:06
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Gonna go for the Hancock brand of funk here. I've had Blow by Blow for a long time now and used to give it a lot of regular listens, but now I barely pull it out anymore. I still listen to Hancock fairly regularly (though since discovering the Mwandishi trilogy, Headhunters has gotten a lot less listens).
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:12
Oh I see, well, Blow by Blow was also an album I used to listen to a lot some years ago, and now it has worn out a bit, but I still like its brand of funk, pretty simplistic, but the addition of Jeff's guitar on top makes it worthwhile.
But yeah, I think Head Hunters is by far better in the composition sense and the grooves.
BTW, it surprised you didn't vote in my previous poll: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75926&title=funk-poll-1-hancocks-headhunters" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75926&title=funk-poll-1-hancocks-headhunters
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SaltyJon wrote:Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:14
I haven't heard Man Child. 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:27
Oh, how about Thrust?
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:30
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Yeah, I like Thrust. I just lost interest in getting more of his funk stuff once I discovered the earlier stuff.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:39
Yeah, that's what I thought, from what I know from you, you definitely are more inclined towards the more experimental style of Hancock.
I, for one, tend towards the more groovy Hancock, but do appreciate much of Mwandishi in small doses, especially Crossings. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:41
Hey now, don't forget I'm a bassist. I love funk too. The avant fan has just taken over the majority of the listening time. 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 14:36
Oh, right! You're a bass player! How you're going with it? Have any band?
I've lately been listening to a lot of funk, Parliament, Funkadelic, Stevie Wonder, excellent stuff all. (hence why I'm doing these polls lol)
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 14:46
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Don't going all Gandalf on us. I don't have anything against funky things but Blow By Blow has been in my collection much longer and because the albums are sufficiently different, I went with Beck's just cause.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 14:46
Not as well as I'd like to be, and no.
Have you listened to any Graham Central Station? Larry Graham's bass on that stuff...Mmm... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 14:59
Yeah, I have listened to Graham Central Station's s/t, though not many times. I'll have to re-listen to that and Bootsy Collins' Rubber Band that according to John (Easy Money) he's one of the finest bass players ever.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:32
| Head Hunters by far. "Blow by Blow" is one of my least favorite Jeff Beck albums (I don't care much for "Wired" either). My favorite is "Rough and Ready". I never related the term "funk" with "Blow by Blow". When it comes to Herbie & The Headhunters one name rings supreme when it comes to the funk, bassist Paul Jackson. He is the main reason I can listen to that "brand" of funk for hours. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:36
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^yeah, Rough N' Ready! I love that one too, so groovy/R&B-ish rock.
I'm surprised you don't see the funk elements on Blow by Blow though, full of clavinet, funk guitar trademark, etc.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:51
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 16:01
I have heard it before, but I'd have to listen to Beck's album to make the call.
I like Thrust and Death Wish more than Head Hunters. Head Hunters doesn't do that much for me at this time. I like his Mwandishi trilogy (Mwandishi, Crossings, Sextant) the most as well, but I also love his earlier albums such as Maiden Voyage (1965) and Empyrean Isles (1964). |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 16:15
| Very easily Head Hunters. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 16:47
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As a guitarist, I like Blow by Blow the better of the two (how could I not?), but Headhunters simply gets more of the funk out, so I voted for that one. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 17:03
I still need to get Death Wish, and actually now I'd say that Man-Child is my fave funk-Hancock album.
And yes, his jazz stuff is excellent.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 17:40
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Hancock by a good margin.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 19:15
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Well it's this and that, but I'd go for Herbie's album, though Blow By Blow is not too shabby. I prefer either Thrust or Man-Child over Head Hunters, however... ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 05:27
love both but choose beck cause i saw him on stage a few month ago in france and he blew my mind away
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 05:30
| BbB |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 08:48
Yeah, I somewhat saw that coming from you, also from Micky (I think).
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 11:01
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Head Hunters for me ! ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:31
| Hancock. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:44
nice, ive personally been throwing on lots of James Brown funk lately, and Lettuce. Great band. As far as the poll, my vote also goes to HH, mainly because i dont listen to Jeff Beck as much as I used to, whereas Herbie comes up every now and then. I still have to re-evaluate his Mwandishi albums, and I have some of his 60s albums like Takin' Off and Empyrean Isles for example, but i feel Hancock's discography is more varied than Beck's. btw, if anyone is a fan of Headhunters and Thrust, you have to get Man-Child. It's more focused (tighter/shorter compositions) but just as funky and actually features some guitar. Also Secrets (which came out after Man-Child) is also essential Herbie Funk. And for a live album, Flood is also essential, and features live cuts from Head Hunters, Thrust, and Man-Child Those 5 albums MUST be heard to fully appreciate his funky era. After Secrets, his albums get sketchy, mixing smoother funk-jazz with vocoder vocals, though there is good stuff mixed in if you're willing to sift through everything else. Going through his later 70s/early 80s albums (before his electro-funk albums) i did discover a really good album, as good as his early-mid 70s work. Mr. Hands (1980). It's easily his best album since Man-Child and actually has the Head Hunters lineup on a couple tracks, as well as Jaco Pastorious guesting. Like i said, i need to re-listen to the Mwandishi albums, it's been a looooog time since i listened to any of those. **EDIT** - this thread has inspired me to listen to Sextant, as I remember being the most familiar with that Mwandishi album than the other 2. Wow, Rain Dance  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 14:37
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^Yeah, I do have Man-Child, and it's fantastic. Secrets is a bit too light for me, but still not disco or simple, just not really great in comparison of its three predecessors.
Hancock's is indeed more diverse, and surely more progressive in the sense that Herbie since the 60s has been incorporating jazz to new forms, electronic, funk, disco, hip-hop and what-not. Still, Jeff is a great guitarist and definitely a fan of fusion by what I know, playing Cobham and Mahavishnu stuff live, I think he just wished he had done some kind of fusion like them but never really did.
As for the Mwandishi, it's definitely Hancock's creative peak, inspired by Davis' most experimental works, Hancock gave a unique twist to them and evolved from there. Today I listened to 'Sleeping Giants' from Crossings, it's amazing.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 14:58
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Well I picked Head Hunters......I am a big funk listener. I just find that BbB does not have the funk qualities I really enjoy. Herbie will always make my funk cup runneth over!
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 20:31
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cant wait for Funk Poll #3
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 21:19
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 22:28
| head hunters for me |
Posted By: Flemdido
Date Posted: February 17 2011 at 22:17
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Like 'em both, but +1 for Blow by Blow. - too newbie to vote, sigh. ------------- GonG is one and one is YOU |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 18 2011 at 00:53
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Death Wish is a great idea to get. Particularly as Jeff Beck (in the Yardbirds) is on it as well. But Head hunters is a great jazz funk album while Blow By Blow is a great jazz rock album. Always felt he should have done Superstition on Blow By Blow as that song needs a light touch (not something one got from BBA.) Probably go for Blow By Blow as his guitar playing is just superb and I love instrumental rock being given a chance. His other Steveie Wonder cover ('Cause We've Ended) is done to perfection. |