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Topic: Spooky Tooth & Curved Air!
Posted By: Tommy
Subject: Spooky Tooth & Curved Air!
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:08
Just curious why these two bands don't get any recognition on this forum? These two great bands were the forefathers of prog rock, well before King Crimson [always baffles me why some think they were the original prog band] & The Nice came along. In fact Keith Emerson was a member of Spooky Tooth before joining The Nice.



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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:21
Never heard of Spooky Tooth but I rather like Curved Air. It amazes me how underrated the album "Phantasmagoria" is. It contains most of my favourite Curved Air material!

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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:21

Around these forums, you will find improper recognition of mediocre bands(Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree), but also absence of notice when it comes to excellent classic prog rockers, like Curved Air.

Air Cut is a great album, intense colorful soundscapes on 'Metamorphosis'. My favourite.



Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:24
Phew! I was beginning to think I was the only real prog lover on here!


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:26
Originally posted by Tommy

Phew! I was beginning to think I was the only real prog lover on here!


Nah, there's quite a few of us... our posts get a little swamped at times, though.


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:27

Spooky Tooth was mentioned a few times on the forum, but not in depth. 

I love their second album Spooky Tooth (1968)! Great organ and drums, two fantastic soulful voices.

I like Curved Air as well, especially Phantasmagoria (1972)



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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:28
Autocorrection: their fantastic second album is called Spooky Two

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:43
Spooky Tooth are a great band and like Curved Air, Wishbone Ash should be included on this site. Given time I am sure they will be added!!!

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Posted By: Will Veda
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 20:48

I was a Spooky Tooth fan from way early in their career.  The final album with Gary Wright ("The Mirror") was freakin' awesome.  I never knew that Keith Emerson ever played for them - surprises me because I thought I knew everything in progressive rock's happenings in the 70s.  I just got onto ST's web site's history and here's what it says about Keith's Spooky adventure:

They auditioned Keith Emerson on keyboards and he joined until in Hamburg, Luther put a slimming pill in Keith's bottle of coca-cola. Halfway through the set Emerson could be seen, enthusiastically shaking his hammond organ backwards & forwards, fascinated by the war-like explosion sounds coming out of the amp! thus was born a seed of E.L.P... some months later Emerson left to form The Nice.

Too funny!  Someone then "broke his heart so he busted their jaw!"



Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 20:54
The band certainly have an interesting history of musicians. On the track 'Feeling Bad' from 'Spooky Two', the unmistakenly voice of one Mr Joe Cocker can be heard singing in the chorous!


Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 22:21
Curved Air is a fantastic band, on the poppier side of prog.  Ulta-Vivaldi is a great song.  In fact, their First three realeases (Air Conditioning, Second, Phantasmagoria) and Live are all fantastic albums with tight composotions.  (I haven't heard Air Cut (1973) with E. Jobson yet though).

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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 22:32

I must say that while I love the Spooky Two album (particularly the unforgetable Evil Woman) ... I wouldn't personally put them on the main site ... if we ever have a section for non-prog bands with prog leanings ... I think that would be more appropriate ... along with Wishbone Ash, Deep Purple, etc

Evil Woman is really excellent ... I've also seen a lot of reviews mocking the hysterical vocals but I love 'em



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 02:53

I've mentioned "Spooky Two" several times recently - it's a fantastic album, and one that anyone interested in the history of prog or metal should check out.

I believe it was released in the UK in 1968, but only hit the US a year later.

It's fantastic mainly because it pre-empts just about anyone who was anyone in rock in the early 1970s, and shows a clear line from bands like Traffic, the Small Faces, Savoy Brown, Cream et al whilst providing the momentum for bands like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Yes.

Some of the vocals in "Evil Woman" do suck quite badly - but it's still the best track on the album musically - can anyone say "Sweet Leaf" (Master of Reality)?



Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 03:37
Spooky Tooth are a band I've only just discovered, and I have to admit I'm hooked (although some of the falsetto vocals on the early tracks grate on one's ears after a while).

For a real eye-opener (ear-opener??), check out their version of "I Am The Walrus"; slow, grinding & dark - wonderful.

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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 04:53
Originally posted by Chris Stacey

Spooky Tooth are a great band and like Curved Air, Wishbone Ash should be included on this site. Given time I am sure they will be added!!!


Here we go again - one album or  the few tracks, out of a large discography do not constitute  completeness as a prog rock band - which is evident with Spooky Tooth (Ceremony is as close as you get) and do we need to go over Wishbone Ash's limited creditials in the genre. Rock bands for sure... And how did Curved Air get tangled up the other two???

Such


Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 08:42
Gary Wright's Dream Weaver is PROG! Maybe not to
some, could be to melodic, accessible and not
singing about fairytales! Ronnie Montrose joins in on
one song. Live he was a one man show on the
keyboards, outstanding!


Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:07

In the book "Peter Frame:The Complete Rock Family Trees", he says that Keith Emerson was in the band called "Art" (AKA  "V.I.P.S.") for a few weeks. The band in 1967 changed their name to "Art" and recorded an album called "Supernatural FairyTales". They also appear in an album called "Hapshash and the Coloured Coat" ("they provided backing tracks"; I don`t know nothing about this album, if it is a soundtrack for a film or what).The line-up of "Art" was:Greg Ridley, Mike Harrison, Mike Kellie and Luther Grosvenor. When Gary Wright joined the band, the name of the band was changed to "Spooky Tooth", in October 1967.

I have listened to their "Spooky Two" and "The Mirror" albums. I like both albums. Peter Frame says that "Spooky Tooth" was released in March 1969, and "The Mirror" in October 1974.Both albums are available on CD.

"The Mirror" is available on CD but without the original cover. It was also released on CD with another title and cover, as "Comic Violence", and it also has the order of the tracks changed.



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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:15
I only know Spooky Tooth from that song Judas Priest covered from them: "Better By You Better Than Me". That song is not prog, that's all I know.

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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:17

If you are interested to see the original LP cover of "The Mirror":

http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/S/spooky_tooth.html - http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/S/spooky_tooth.html



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 16:05

Originally posted by Joren

I only know Spooky Tooth from that song Judas Priest covered from them: "Better By You Better Than Me". That song is not prog, that's all I know.

How can you tell if you've never heard the original?

In this case, you're right, but the original is much better than the Priest version - and Stained Class is one of my favourite Priest albums .



Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 16:41

Spooky Tooth were a great band (especially the Spooky 2 album) but I wouldn't classify most of their output as prog. They had a Big Hammond Sound , but that doesn't automatically make you prog.

They were very loud and overblown (which I'm all in favour of as long as it's done by talented musicians), but on their early albums they more fit the description 'psychedelic heavy blues'.

Maybe their more experimental and adventurous stuff (Ceremony) could be included in the archives, but that came in the early 70s so I don't think they pre-date The Nice (or King Crimson) as a prog band.

However you classify them, lovers of old-style prog are likely to enjoy their music

 



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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 18:18
Agreed Drachen Celebration was a pretty awesome album, that cover with the nail being driven into the temple was damn scary.As for Curved Air they were more than decent but short lived.How many albums do you have to make to be classified prog.Surely one great prog album should be enough.???? Wishbone Ash should be in here for Argus alone.


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 03:47
And Queen should be here for Queen II alone...


Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 05:13

Spooky Tooth is progressive?  Just pop-rock to me....though I love the Spooky Tooth II LP, esp. Hangman Hang My Head from a Tree.....the Last Puff LP is also a gas.  There is a pretty "progesssive" LP they released with the electronic music pioneer Pierre Henri....I think it's called Ceremony (for an Electronic Mass)....this is an album that never would have been made if Mike Harrison hadn't left for a brief spell.  His departure left the door open for Gary "Dream Weaver" Wright to take the band into the more expiremental realm.  Can't say I like the Ceremony LP, but I dig the LPs that bookend it.

As for Curved Air, the first three LPs, culminating with the Phantasmagoria LP, are all recommended.  Tread lightly with the stuff after the 1972.  Why isn't the Phantasmagoria LP in the ProgArchives Top 100?  Dream Theater fans stuffing the ballot box!



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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 14:28
Originally posted by Intruder

Spooky Tooth is progressive?  Just pop-rock to me....though I love the Spooky Tooth II LP, esp. Hangman Hang My Head from a Tree.....the Last Puff LP is also a gas.  There is a pretty "progesssive" LP they released with the electronic music pioneer Pierre Henri....I think it's called Ceremony (for an Electronic Mass)....this is an album that never would have been made if Mike Harrison hadn't left for a brief spell.  His departure left the door open for Gary "Dream Weaver" Wright to take the band into the more expiremental realm.  Can't say I like the Ceremony LP, but I dig the LPs that bookend it.

As for Curved Air, the first three LPs, culminating with the Phantasmagoria LP, are all recommended.  Tread lightly with the stuff after the 1972.  Why isn't the Phantasmagoria LP in the ProgArchives Top 100?  Dream Theater fans stuffing the ballot box!

Harrison didn`t leave the band for "Ceremony". But Wright left the band after recording "Ceremony".

There are three albums recorded by very diferent line-ups:

"The Last Puff" was recorded after "Ceremony" by Harrison, Grosvenor, Kellie and two members of Joe Cocker`s "Grease" band.

"The Mirror" was recorded after Harrison and Kellie left the band after the "Witness" album in 1974. So, the line-up for "The Mirror" was: Wright (the only remaining original member), Mick Jones, Mike Patto, Bryson Graham and Val Burke. This was their last album for several years.

In 1999, the band appeared again with an album called "Cross Purposes", which was recorded by:Harrison, Kellie, Grosvenor and Greg Ridley (who left the band after "Spooky Two" to join "Humble Pie" in 1969), four original members. Ridley died two or three years ago.

There is a line-up of Spooky Tooth playing concerts in the present:Harrison, Kellie, Wright and two new members. See http://www.spookytooth.com - www.spookytooth.com for more details.



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Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 15:24
well if i am right, judas priest made a cover of a spooky tooth song in their stained class record in 1978. i think the song's name was better by you better than me.

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 15:50
Originally posted by Guillermo

In the book "Peter Frame:The Complete Rock Family Trees", he says that Keith Emerson was in the band called "Art" (AKA  "V.I.P.S.") for a few weeks. The band in 1967 changed their name to "Art" and recorded an album called "Supernatural FairyTales". They also appear in an album called "Hapshash and the Coloured Coat" ("they provided backing tracks"; I don`t know nothing about this album, if it is a soundtrack for a film or what).The line-up of "Art" was:Greg Ridley, Mike Harrison, Mike Kellie and Luther Grosvenor. When Gary Wright joined the band, the name of the band was changed to "Spooky Tooth", in October 1967.

I have listened to their "Spooky Two" and "The Mirror" albums. I like both albums. Peter Frame says that "Spooky Tooth" was released in March 1969, and "The Mirror" in October 1974.Both albums are available on CD.

"The Mirror" is available on CD but without the original cover. It was also released on CD with another title and cover, as "Comic Violence", and it also has the order of the tracks changed.

Hapshash and the Coloured Cat released one album named "Featuring the Human Host and the Heavy Metal Kids".

I never heard it, but according to Tibor Kneif's "Encyclopedia of Rock Music Terms" it was one of the most chaotic albums of all times, comparable with the frst album of Amon Düül (not to be confused with Amon Düül 2). I sincerely doubt Keith Emerson provided backing tracks for this; the musicians of Hapshash were not very accomplished, if one can believe the encyclopedia. The flair of that album supposedly stems from the naivety they played their instruments with.



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Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 16:28
Originally posted by BaldFriede

Originally posted by Guillermo


In the book "Peter Frame:The Complete Rock Family Trees", he says that Keith Emerson was in the band called "Art" (AKA  "V.I.P.S.") for a few weeks. The band in 1967 changed their name to "Art" and recorded an album called "Supernatural FairyTales". They also appear in an album called "Hapshash and the Coloured Coat" ("they provided backing tracks"; I don`t know nothing about this album, if it is a soundtrack for a film or what).The line-up of "Art" was:Greg Ridley, Mike Harrison, Mike Kellie and Luther Grosvenor. When Gary Wright joined the band, the name of the band was changed to "Spooky Tooth", in October 1967.


I have listened to their "Spooky Two" and "The Mirror" albums. I like both albums. Peter Frame says that "Spooky Tooth" was released in March 1969, and "The Mirror" in October 1974.Both albums are available on CD.


"The Mirror" is available on CD but without the original cover. It was also released on CD with another title and cover, as "Comic Violence", and it also has the order of the tracks changed.



Hapshash and the Coloured Cat released one album named "Featuring the Human Host and the Heavy Metal Kids".


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I never heard it, but according to Tibor Kneif's "Encyclopedia of Rock Music Terms" it was one of the most chaotic albums of all times, comparable with the frst album of Amon Düül (not to be confused with Amon Düül 2). I sincerely doubt Keith Emerson provided backing tracks for this; the musicians of Hapshash were not very accomplished, if one can believe the encyclopedia. The flair of that album supposedly stems from the naivety they played their instruments with.



They released two albums, the second was "Western Flyer", more conventional than the first, that was really totally freak-out, a sort of Pre-Kraut-Rock made in London...


Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 16:29
...Curved Air, fantastic group and Sonja Kristina was so amazing...


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:58
Originally posted by BaldFriede

Hapshash and the Coloured Cat released one album named "Featuring the Human Host and the Heavy Metal Kids".

 

& The Coloured Cat ....... a nice slip and good alternative name for the album - from the orange shades on the cover artwork: Tabby for short????.

 

One of those album I heard only the once in the late 60's and had fond memories for about 30 years without rehearing it - then I made the mistake of buying the CD. The the advantage of 30+years of hindsight, this may be called hippydom  taking a concept of Lennon's Give Peace A Chance several steps beyond, i.e. the amateur friends bashing and crashing on instruments with low levels of ability but great degrees of enthusiasm. Now in more sober times, a painful listen which has destroyed those fond memories. Only musician of note I seem to remember is Tony McPhee playing bongos (but note, he is the long term lead guitarist/vocalist of the Groundhogs). 




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