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Topic: Edgar Froese solo
Posted By: jean-marie
Subject: Edgar Froese solo
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 19:23
i think Froeze released  some more but which one among those got you highter ,for me ,probably Epsilon but aqua was amazing and Stuntman has interesting sounds and melodies , Macula is very spacey and Ages could has been a better single albumErmm



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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 20:48
Aqua is the only one I have, so I won't vote, but it's very good.

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Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 21:54
I don't have Macular Transfer, but I was kind of disappointed by Stuntman and Pinnacles.   Ages could have used some editing.  Aqua is very good. I was told that Epsilon was a longer version of TD's Mysterious Semblance but it's unfortunately not.  It is still quite good. 

Aqua gets my vote.  


Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 23:19
Macula Transfer

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 02:44
The first two over the rest. Aqua my fav

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 03:15
I dig Stuntman from the list but highly recommend Orange Light Years compilation from a few years back...Talking to Maddox!

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 03:51
I've only got 3 of those (Stuntman,Epsilon and Pinnacles) plus a very nice 2 cd compilation 'Beyond The Storm'.. Shocked that Stuntman has no votes. Its a close run thing between that and Pinnacles which is not that different to TD's Hyperborea. Instead of the frozen arctic wastes you have the Australian outback as the focus. Really excellent album with the superb 20 minute title peice centre stage so that gets my vote even though it still leaves Stuntman on nil.


Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 05:48
I'm listening back to Stuntman right now, very good album Smile


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 06:06
Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

I don't have Macular Transfer, but I was kind of disappointed by Stuntman and Pinnacles.   Ages could have used some editing.  Aqua is very good. I was told that Epsilon was a longer version of TD's Mysterious Semblance but it's unfortunately not.  It is still quite good. 

Aqua gets my vote.  

"Epsilon..." is NOT a longer version of "Mysterious Semblance..." at all! "Mysterious Semblance" sounds cold; "Epsilon.." is definitely a very warm album. "Aqua" is also very good, but while "Aqua" gets 4 stars from me "Epsilon..." gets five.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 06:08
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

I don't have Macular Transfer, but I was kind of disappointed by Stuntman and Pinnacles.   Ages could have used some editing.  Aqua is very good. I was told that Epsilon was a longer version of TD's Mysterious Semblance but it's unfortunately not.  It is still quite good. 

Aqua gets my vote.  

"Epsilon..." is NOT a longer version of "Mysterious Semblance..." at all!.

Yes...quite...he in fact says it's not  himself. So no need to get shouty.


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 06:57
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

I don't have Macular Transfer, but I was kind of disappointed by Stuntman and Pinnacles.   Ages could have used some editing.  Aqua is very good. I was told that Epsilon was a longer version of TD's Mysterious Semblance but it's unfortunately not.  It is still quite good. 

Aqua gets my vote.  

"Epsilon..." is NOT a longer version of "Mysterious Semblance..." at all!.

Yes...quite...he in fact says it's not  himself. So no need to get shouty.

The shout is not directed at tdfloyd but at the one who told him "Epislon..." is "like "Mysterious...".


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 07:17
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

I don't have Macular Transfer, but I was kind of disappointed by Stuntman and Pinnacles.   Ages could have used some editing.  Aqua is very good. I was told that Epsilon was a longer version of TD's Mysterious Semblance but it's unfortunately not.  It is still quite good. 

Aqua gets my vote.  

"Epsilon..." is NOT a longer version of "Mysterious Semblance..." at all!.

Yes...quite...he in fact says it's not  himself. So no need to get shouty.

The shout is not directed at tdfloyd but at the one who told him "Epislon..." is "like "Mysterious...".

He's not reading this I presume.


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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 07:20

I used to neglect Froese's solo-albums but they have continued to grow on me.
Epsilon is really beautiful, but make sure you get the original, the remixed version is buried under new age dross.


Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 12:32
c'mon!  Stuntman at last !

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 12:39
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Aqua is the only one I have, so I won't vote, but it's very good.


"Aqua" is the only one I've heard, and I didn't like it.  Sleepy


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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 13:20
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

c'mon!  Stuntman at last !
So it finaly happened! Smile


Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 15:38
Just realised i forgot a Fassbinder movie soundtrack , Kamikaze 1989, short tracks but good stuff in it 


Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 19:54
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

I don't have Macular Transfer, but I was kind of disappointed by Stuntman and Pinnacles.   Ages could have used some editing.  Aqua is very good. I was told that Epsilon was a longer version of TD's Mysterious Semblance but it's unfortunately not.  It is still quite good. 

Aqua gets my vote.  

"Epsilon..." is NOT a longer version of "Mysterious Semblance..." at all!.

Yes...quite...he in fact says it's not  himself. So no need to get shouty.

The shout is not directed at tdfloyd but at the one who told him "Epislon..." is "like "Mysterious...".

He's not reading this I presume.

All is good. No harm, no foul.

I haven't  had contact with the person who told me that Epsilon was "Mysterious Semblance Part 2" in years unfortunately.  

 Does anyone have the original version of Epsilon and the release that EF made in 2005?  I know that he has a penchant for remixing  / adding  instruments to his older works with TD. I find some good and others don't come close to the original.    Opinions for or against the 2005 work?


Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 05:37

I still have the original lp , i got a cd release many years ago who's quite the same as the lp,don't know the one you're talking about but it happened the same thing with Schulze Moondawn cd release, there are some sound layers added to the opening 



Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 17:09
14 answers? but where are all the real prog music lovers? Broken Heart


Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 17:31
Epsilon in Malaysian pale, is fantastic, but i havent heard the others, gues i need to get Aqua.

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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 17:58
off the topic , in camera is my real Hammill favourite with fool's mate Wink


Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 12:37
Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

off the topic , in camera is my real Hammill favourite with fool's mate Wink
Yes its his best album in my opinion followed by Chameleon. Well thos are the ones i listen to and enjoy the most.

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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 15:37
some further Tangerine Dream releases could be seen as Edgard releases like View from a red train for instance


Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 10:21
Epsilon in Malaysian pale definatly.  Most of his solo output is pretty great though, admittedly.

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 10:25
My vinyl copy has "Epsylon in Malasian Pale" as the title. $5 in a used bin. Hipster victory.

Also, Tangerine Dream since the Seattle Years at least (if not more) has been Edgar Froese solo, more or less.


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 10:27
Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (I have the LP version) ranks amongst my favourite albums listed at PA.  I won't vote, however, because the only albums I have of these are Aqua and Epsilon....


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 11:13
Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

some further Tangerine Dream releases could be seen as Edgard releases like View from a red train for instance
 
After Paul Haslinger left (early 90's I guess) it did pretty much became his band along with his son Jerome. Linda Spa was also listed as fulltime member for a time. Goblins Club is the only thing I've heard from this trio that I like.
 
 


Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 14:42
Still haven't got Goblins, probably it's gonna happen


Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 14:54
Aqua and Epsilon are brilliant. I also regarded (not listening in a long time+ hating Edgar's guts for how he changed TD in the last years = meh) Ages very highly. 

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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 15:43
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Aqua and Epsilon are brilliant. I also regarded (not listening in a long time+ hating Edgar's guts for how he changed TD in the last years = meh) Ages very highly. 
yes i see what you mean ,i've been thinking a while the same as you, but listening back to many further releases, i changed my mind, for sure they scored too many movies, but Edgard did many strong albums, it just need a few loud listenings ,the boosters volumes, the five atomic seasons, Hyperborea, Underwater sunlight, Lily on the beach , Turn of the tide , Le parc , Optical race , ther's good stuff to dig in it but i agree with you, it's not the vintage sound anymore


Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 15:49
Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Aqua and Epsilon are brilliant. I also regarded (not listening in a long time+ hating Edgar's guts for how he changed TD in the last years = meh) Ages very highly. 
yes i see what you mean ,i've been thinking a while the same as you, but listening back to many further releases, i changed my mind, for sure they scored too many movies, but Edgard did many strong albums, it just need a few loud listenings ,the boosters volumes, the five atomic seasons, Hyperborea, Underwater sunlight, Lily on the beach , Turn of the tide , Le parc , Optical race , ther's good stuff to dig in it but i agree with you, it's not the vintage sound anymore


It was but a mild taunt, no real desire to discuss recent TD affairs. But even strictly solo, all the modern remixes are irritating.


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 15:54
I don't particularly care if it's not a vintage sound anymore. Not only do all the old TD albums still exist (and can be listened to any time), but you also have the likes of Redshift that basically made 9 classic albums that sound as good as the old TD ones.

TD have made a ton of great albums in the 2000s and the 2010s are looking nice. Expecting a band to stay within a very narrow compositional style that was practically defined by analog modular technology in a time when synthesis has been changing dramatically is foolish. That kind of thinking makes analog purists wearisome to me.


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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 16:00
Well! Two Berlin Schools are fighting here LOL


Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 16:26
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


TD have made a ton of great albums in the 2000s and the 2010s are looking nice. Expecting a band to stay within a very narrow compositional style that was practically defined by analog modular technology in a time when synthesis has been changing dramatically is foolish. That kind of thinking makes analog purists wearisome to me.


Yes, I was obviously whining that they don't make it like Zeit no more, not that Froese is dragging along a lifeless, half talentless band, pooping 20 albums per year, based on whatever different concept he's thinking over at breakfast and yet all of them sounding the same. They are currently staying within a very narrow compositional style. It's their narrowest yet and it has no personality.

[ Woo, yeah, I totally said back a couple of posts I wasn't really approaching this subject. ]


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 16:36
My only complaint with current TD is that Froese probably allows for very little outside influence. In that sense, it basically is a solo band, compositionally. Even if he credits himself with most all of TD's composition for all years (I do think he will whenever he releases the book he's apparently working on), then I think it's amazing he hasn't dried out yet, IMO. You probably think he has. Whatever. I do think it would be better if he knocked back the releases to maybe 2 per year, tops, and actually collaborated with people.


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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 22 2011 at 17:00
yes ! i think it could be a good idea


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 02:58
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


TD have made a ton of great albums in the 2000s and the 2010s are looking nice. Expecting a band to stay within a very narrow compositional style that was practically defined by analog modular technology in a time when synthesis has been changing dramatically is foolish. That kind of thinking makes analog purists wearisome to me.


Yes, I was obviously whining that they don't make it like Zeit no more, not that Froese is dragging along a lifeless, half talentless band, pooping 20 albums per year, based on whatever different concept he's thinking over at breakfast and yet all of them sounding the same. They are currently staying within a very narrow compositional style. It's their narrowest yet and it has no personality.

[ Woo, yeah, I totally said back a couple of posts I wasn't really approaching this subject. ]
 
Purgatorio was recorded with several opera singers singing in different languages and is in no way 'narrow'.
Most of the remixes are of the eighties stuff which was never that popular anyway. The Booster series has been very well received and has helped shine a new light on an era of TD that is wrongly neglected imo.
The 90's was the worse time for TD imo. Part of that I suspect was that Jerome was not capable of contributing very much on a creative level but that has changed over the last 10 years. I need to check out the 5 Atomic Seasons albums judging by the positive comments on this thread.


Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 04:34
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


TD have made a ton of great albums in the 2000s and the 2010s are looking nice. Expecting a band to stay within a very narrow compositional style that was practically defined by analog modular technology in a time when synthesis has been changing dramatically is foolish. That kind of thinking makes analog purists wearisome to me.


Yes, I was obviously whining that they don't make it like Zeit no more, not that Froese is dragging along a lifeless, half talentless band, pooping 20 albums per year, based on whatever different concept he's thinking over at breakfast and yet all of them sounding the same. They are currently staying within a very narrow compositional style. It's their narrowest yet and it has no personality.

[ Woo, yeah, I totally said back a couple of posts I wasn't really approaching this subject. ]
 
Purgatorio was recorded with several opera singers singing in different languages and is in no way 'narrow'.
Most of the remixes are of the eighties stuff which was never that popular anyway. The Booster series has been very well received and has helped shine a new light on an era of TD that is wrongly neglected imo.
The 90's was the worse time for TD imo. Part of that I suspect was that Jerome was not capable of contributing very much on a creative level but that has changed over the last 10 years. I need to check out the 5 Atomic Seasons albums judging by the positive comments on this thread.


Purgatorio isn't Eastgate, so I wasn't complaining about that. They did concluded pretty badly with Paradisio, though.

And I don't put too much into the "well received" thing. Yes, Tangerine Dream are still ahead of the generation of lousy, aphonous epigones they now inspire. I've been three years on the TD official forum, where every new release was being worshiped as TD's best yet, so I've had enough of that. I'm not sure what Booster (volume 25 is coming out this year, right?) would be so great about, it's like the Hollywood Years of the 90s. Concerts such as Izu were enjoyable.


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 12:32
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


TD have made a ton of great albums in the 2000s and the 2010s are looking nice. Expecting a band to stay within a very narrow compositional style that was practically defined by analog modular technology in a time when synthesis has been changing dramatically is foolish. That kind of thinking makes analog purists wearisome to me.


Yes, I was obviously whining that they don't make it like Zeit no more, not that Froese is dragging along a lifeless, half talentless band, pooping 20 albums per year, based on whatever different concept he's thinking over at breakfast and yet all of them sounding the same. They are currently staying within a very narrow compositional style. It's their narrowest yet and it has no personality.

[ Woo, yeah, I totally said back a couple of posts I wasn't really approaching this subject. ]
 
Purgatorio was recorded with several opera singers singing in different languages and is in no way 'narrow'.
Most of the remixes are of the eighties stuff which was never that popular anyway. The Booster series has been very well received and has helped shine a new light on an era of TD that is wrongly neglected imo.
The 90's was the worse time for TD imo. Part of that I suspect was that Jerome was not capable of contributing very much on a creative level but that has changed over the last 10 years. I need to check out the 5 Atomic Seasons albums judging by the positive comments on this thread.


I personally like The 5 Atomic Seasons, though to me I suppose there's nothing in there except "Trauma" which screams "Incredibly brilliant!" to me. It's a good, enjoyable series. I think they actually started off the 2000s brilliantly, with The Seven Letters of Tibet. Everything else was enjoyable, if nothing really to write home about.


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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 13:48
Epsilon gets my vote, although it's only just ahead of Aqua and Ages.
 
I've also acquired After the Storm and some of the Ambient Highway series. If you ignore some of the tinkering with material from the first 3 albums, there's some pretty good stuff to be found - although I agree that TD has become increasingly irellevant since the late 80s, with only the occasional flash of inspiration like 7 Letters from Tibet.


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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 25 2011 at 09:16
Still haven't got the ambient vol,i'd like to listen to them and i'm curious about Tangerine Dream plays Edgard Froeze


Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: May 05 2011 at 14:25
Aqua and Epsilon have a sound I'd normally go for, but I tend to play Stuntman more often.

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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: May 06 2011 at 09:02
Stuntman is nice to listen to , i tend to often playing it



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