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Topic: Bootleg alert
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Subject: Bootleg alert
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 04:55
As we find bootlegs added to the database on a regular basis, I thought it would be good to have one dedicated thread to report them. Here's some Zeppelin bootlegs for starters:


http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20108" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20108

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24824" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24824

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=31071" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=31071



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 05:45
Good idea.

Well done that man!


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 07:30
Indeed, if we start adding Led Zep bootlegs, we'll need a bigger web site.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 07:31
I have bought the occasional bootleg many years ago.  I can't think of any that were really worth having.  Terminate them from this site with extreme prejudice!!!!

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 07:51
There are plenty of similar items on PA. Some of them are offered in respected music stores, it's not easy to prove that CD X and DVD Y are bootlegs.

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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 07:59
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

There are plenty of similar items on PA. Some of them are offered in respected music stores, it's not easy to prove that CD X and DVD Y are bootlegs.


Very true. That is why I started with Led Zeppelin, which are an easy case as their official discography is limited and very well known.


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 09:25
A few suspicious Yes releases too, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8472" rel="nofollow - this one being the most obvious.

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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 09:29

I've had a look at all three of those. I think they are all legitimately available in high street shops (in the case of the one added by mandi, probably an Italian Walmart). I don't think Rushfan4 and Snobb would have added albums which were not legitimately available.

I think the issue with these more to do with the licencing, they will have been released under some sort of licence not required arrangement. As has been said, there are a lot of that type of release scattered across the site, including the entire "Inside (band name) DVD series, which claims to "require complete artistic independence".
 
Bottom line is that while these releases are dubious, and do not from part of the official discography, I don' t think they are bootlegs in the traditional sense.
 
It's a topic worthy of discussion of course, but I personally think in these cases, there is enough legitimacy to their distribution to allow them to stay.
 


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 10:02
Yes, sublicensing is different than bootleging. Quite a complicated issue indeed. [Long story told short, sublicensing releases are legal, but I don't think we should add them unless they contribute with new material - which is highly unlikely.]

As for the three entries that I reported, that of Snobb also appears on Discogs as an http://www.discogs.com/Led-Zeppelin-You-Shock-Me-Live-Performances/release/2571413" rel="nofollow - unofficial release and on RYM as a http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/led_zeppelin/you_shock_me/" rel="nofollow - bootleg , so I guess this can be considered settled.
Regarding Scott's entry I think it's impossible for this to be a sub-licensing because the Australian tour wasn't previously released and you as far as I know you can't "sub-license" previously unreleased material. This "label" that released this DVD sells through Amazon Marketplace and seems to have many other releases for sale too. So I can't say I'm 100% sure, but they don't show up on any other database either (like Discogs or RYM).
Which means Mandy's entry is the one with the highest chances of being a genuine sublicensed edition, actually. LOL Which I don't think we should keep, either; even if it's genuine, it breaches PA policy as it only duplicates previously added material. 


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 10:27
Hmmm....I can't remember adding that particular Led Zeppelin DVD.  I suspect that it must have come up while I was on Amazon and since it wasn't listed here, I added it.  Not exactly sure why, unless I was adding another DVD or CD that I did have and while I was at it decided to add this one too.  From time to time I will scan new releases on AllMusic Guide and if they apply to PA or MMA bands I will add them to the database.  I don't see this one listed on AllMusicGuide though, so I have to assume that it must have come up while I was on Amazon.

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 10:50
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

A few suspicious Yes releases too, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8472" rel="nofollow - this one being the most obvious.
 
No, although this is another Yes release of dubious value, I have seen this in the shops (albeit with a different cover).


Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 10:57
I've seen it too. What's odd is it's not really extended versions at all; if memory serves, it's actually from the SLO shows that became Keys to Ascension.


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 11:00
I do have that Yes Extended Versions CD.  There are a number of bands that are included in the series.  There is a Kansas Extended Versions which is basically the same as their King Biscuit Flower Hour performance.

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 11:08
I think we are not a bunch of lawyers here and it's not our task to do detectives' job. 
If albums are distributed by respected stores and services I see no reason to delete or not include them on PA.

Personally if I have doubts about some album's legitimacy I don't add it to PA. But we can't say, once and forever, to all PA members what they should not add to the database.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 11:49
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

I think we are not a bunch of lawyers here and it's not our task to do detectives' job.


No one asks the E&O team to do a detective job, I think that judging upon presented evidence is reasonable enough.

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

If albums are distributed by respected stores and services I see no reason to delete or not include them on PA.


Respected stores sell mostly anything though. Remember when a few weeks back a guy asked us here to add a Genesis bootleg he had bought at Wallmart? Right now I'm looking at the page of the Zeppelin DVD Scott added, and the EBay field in the page is offering to sell me " http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&toolid=10005&campid=5335893920&customid=RSS+Widget+Led+Zeppelin&icep_item=400207496791&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=238401&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=rss" rel="nofollow - Led Zeppelin - Collectors Box Unauthorized 2DVDs $17.95 " or " http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&toolid=10005&campid=5335893920&customid=RSS+Widget+Led+Zeppelin&icep_item=110680343857&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=238401&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=rss" rel="nofollow - Led Zeppelin - Closer to Heaven (DVD, 2007) ". And  Idon't know what are Amazon's standards, but Amazon Marketplace (the only place where that DVD can be bought) isn't Amazon, it's a place where anyone can sell (a sort of EBay held by Amazon).

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Personally if I have doubts about some album's legitimacy I don't add it to PA. But we can't say, once and forever, to all PA members what they should not add to the database.


"No bootlegs or unauthorized releases" is already asked on the album addition page, so if anyone would have your attitude this wouldn't be a problem, but obviously it isn't the case.


RE Yes, they have already plagued their own discography with cheap compilations and editions, they look dubious indeed but they are OK.


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 13:31
By the way, there are three bootlegs in the discography of Magma.


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 14:28
We can discuss it to death, but put yourselves on admin's place. Would you immediately delete an album if you have somebody's report that it's a bootleg? I think no, you have to search through the web, spend a lot of time and I'm not sure you'll find the right answer.

Some bands have lists of bootlegs on their websites. It seems only in this case admin can delete the album with a light heart. 


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 14:47
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

We can discuss it to death, but put yourselves on admin's place. Would you immediately delete an album if you have somebody's report that it's a bootleg?


Of course not (and I have implied this in my previous post - see "judging upon presented evidence").


Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 15:04
I'm happy to go with the consensus here of course, if the general view is they should go, I'll do the deeds.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 15:38
I lived and breathed Zep boots for years those are bootlegs, or "private/fanclub releases", but boots all the same



Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 17:18
What the heck is this?

../album.asp?id=818" rel="nofollow">


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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 18:25
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

A few suspicious Yes releases too, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8472" rel="nofollow - this one being the most obvious.
 
That one is ok, I have a Kansas one from that same series.


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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 19:31
Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

A few suspicious Yes releases too, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8472" rel="nofollow - this one being the most obvious.
 
That one is ok, I have a Kansas one from that same series.

I do too, and that one is as horrid and worthless as the Yes 'Extended Version'... Pinch





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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 21:16
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

A few suspicious Yes releases too, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8472" rel="nofollow - this one being the most obvious.
 
That one is ok, I have a Kansas one from that same series.

I do too, and that one is as horrid and worthless as the Yes 'Extended Version'... Pinch



 
That was my first prog CD... Cry


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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 12:44
Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

What the heck is this?

../album.asp?id=818" rel="nofollow">


Hint: click on the picture.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 12:57
Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

What the heck is this?

../album.asp?id=818" rel="nofollow">


Hint: click on the picture.

It's the wrong album cover that's for sure.


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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 13:11
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

What the heck is this?

../album.asp?id=818" rel="nofollow">


Hint: click on the picture.

It's the wrong album cover that's for sure.


Yes, and I could not find a proper one. Besides, it appears to be http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/par_lindh_project/par_lindh_live_at_nearfest_2000/" rel="nofollow - unauthorised by the band .
Moreover, the number of the entry is 818 so it must've been added a long time ago. How come nobody noticed it until now?


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 14:43
What's the problem? Ask any admin to delete it.

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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: September 06 2012 at 02:47
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but two of the live Black Sabbath albums are as far as I can ascertain, bootlets. Haven't got either and they appear to be decent bootlegs, but not legit all the same.
 
Information taken from a BS bootlet site - http://www.black-sabbath.de/bootleg2.sab" rel="nofollow - http://www.black-sabbath.de/bootleg2.sab
 
ROCKSTARS IN CONCERT
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(Stemra 6117062)
Source: Olympia, Paris, France, 20/12/1970
CD: Iron Man/Paranoid/War Pigs/Fairies Wear Boots/Hand Of Doom/Black Sabbath/
    Behind The Wall Of Sleep (42:52 min)
Comments: Another version from the French T.V. broadcast in good sound. Same
          concert as "COPPER", "Paris 20/12/70" etc. Made in Holland. This
          bootleg is also available as tape "Black Sabbath - Rockstars In
          Concert" (MC 6117064).

 
IN CONCERT live in worcester
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(Rock Head records RHRCD-9906-8, KBFH presents 8015.2)
Source: The Centrum, Worcester, Massachusetts, USA, 4/11/1983
CD: Children Of The Grave/Hot Line/War Pigs/Iron Man/Zero The Hero/Heaven And
    Hell/Solo Tony Iommi/Digital Bitch/Black Sabbath/Smoke On The Water/
    Paranoid (72:08 min)
Comments: Another clone of "Born In Hell". Excellent soundquality as usual
          and deluxe booklet. Said to be made in Canada, sold only in Russia
          and Ukraine, 1999. The CD claims itself to be a King Biscuit Flower
          Hour release which of course it is not.


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 06 2012 at 05:28
Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

What the heck is this?

../album.asp?id=818" rel="nofollow">


Hint: click on the picture.

It's the wrong album cover that's for sure.


Yes, and I could not find a proper one. Besides, it appears to be http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/par_lindh_project/par_lindh_live_at_nearfest_2000/" rel="nofollow - unauthorised by the band .
Moreover, the number of the entry is 818 so it must've been added a long time ago. How come nobody noticed it until now?


Apologies that no-one acted on this before now. I've searched on the band's official website and elsewhere and it's clearly not a release endorsed or contracted by the band so yes, deleted accordingly as an unauthorised bootleg.


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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 06 2012 at 05:54
Originally posted by Bosh66 Bosh66 wrote:

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but two of the live Black Sabbath albums are as far as I can ascertain, bootlets. Haven't got either and they appear to be decent bootlegs, but not legit all the same.
 
Information taken from a BS bootlet site - http://www.black-sabbath.de/bootleg2.sab" rel="nofollow - http://www.black-sabbath.de/bootleg2.sab
 
ROCKSTARS IN CONCERT
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(Stemra 6117062)
Source: Olympia, Paris, France, 20/12/1970
CD: Iron Man/Paranoid/War Pigs/Fairies Wear Boots/Hand Of Doom/Black Sabbath/
    Behind The Wall Of Sleep (42:52 min)
Comments: Another version from the French T.V. broadcast in good sound. Same
          concert as "COPPER", "Paris 20/12/70" etc. Made in Holland. This
          bootleg is also available as tape "Black Sabbath - Rockstars In
          Concert" (MC 6117064).

 
IN CONCERT live in worcester
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(Rock Head records RHRCD-9906-8, KBFH presents 8015.2)
Source: The Centrum, Worcester, Massachusetts, USA, 4/11/1983
CD: Children Of The Grave/Hot Line/War Pigs/Iron Man/Zero The Hero/Heaven And
    Hell/Solo Tony Iommi/Digital Bitch/Black Sabbath/Smoke On The Water/
    Paranoid (72:08 min)
Comments: Another clone of "Born In Hell". Excellent soundquality as usual
          and deluxe booklet. Said to be made in Canada, sold only in Russia
          and Ukraine, 1999. The CD claims itself to be a King Biscuit Flower
          Hour release which of course it is not.


The Rockstars In Concert entry is a dead cert bootleg and has been deleted. I'm almost certain the Live in Worcester is also a bootleg and is not affiliated in any way with the familiar King Biscuit series of live albums but will have do do a bit more digging around to make sure (Shame really, as it's one of the few live recordings we have with Gillan in the band)  Thanks for the prompt on these twoThumbs Up


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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: September 06 2012 at 09:54
No problem. I'd pick these up myself if I could find them. Thanks!


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 08 2012 at 06:25
Update: IN CONCERT live in worcester by Black Sabbath deleted as a bootleg.

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: September 19 2012 at 06:52
^ I still doubt "In Concert" is a bootleg.
Unlike this one http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1618111" rel="nofollow - http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1618111 , my copy has typical King Biscuit logo and is not by Rock Head Records. Confused


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 26 2012 at 00:18
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38688" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38688

Only references to this I find on the web are those of a (supposedly very good, but I digress) bootleg.  Removal is suggested.  Discogs lists it as an unofficial release.


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: October 05 2012 at 20:52
This new GENESIS compilation:  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39165" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39165  looks like something unofficial.
I have not found the proper information, but some Russian resources tell it's someone's self-made compilation.

Back cover is suspicious as well (no record label, no cat. number):  http://fastpic.ru/view/25/2012/1004/b2e19ff9b19103f9015a46968b093abe.jpg.html" rel="nofollow - http://fastpic.ru/view/25/2012/1004/b2e19ff9b19103f9015a46968b093abe.jpg.html
 


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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 05:04
^ It's the most popular album on the front page now...

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 05:48
^ the Genesis boxset is gone. Even a casual trawl around the internet reveals very little info on the label/imprint purporting to own the license for these venerable recordings. Given the foregoing, why would one from our number see fit to create a new database entry unless it was for the purposes of vested interest/personal gain?
I've sent a PM to mbzr48 asking where he obtained the album/info (don't expect a  reply real soon y'all)

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 05:50
^He has added other albums too. Official ones.

ELO compilation

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39166" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39166


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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 05:57
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^He has added other albums too. Official ones.

ELO compilation

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39166" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39166


Yep that's fine. Most people who have robbed banks have a bank account somewhere..


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 06:00
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^He has added other albums too. Official ones.

ELO compilation

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39166" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39166


Yep that's fine. Most people who have robbed banks have a bank account somewhere..

I'm just saying maybe he doesn't have an ulterior motive.


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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 14:54
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38688" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38688

Only references to this I find on the web are those of a (supposedly very good, but I digress) bootleg.  Removal is suggested.  Discogs lists it as an unofficial release.
 
It's also apparently the only release by the label 'disc drug'. And googling for this label brings up nothing.


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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 15:25
Yeah, Theres quite a few Genesis dvds that weren't authorized/official. These are also quite popular around here it seems.
 
These two dvds
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22024" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22024
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12429" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12429
 
by Classic Rock Productions are unofficial. A good many of their dvd releases are not authorized by the band.
 
This one
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=18661" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=18661
 
By Masterplan is also unofficial.
 
Now, also Genesis In Concert 1976 is also unofficial
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15605" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15605
 
The 1976 - 1982 Box Set release from Rhino Records was it's official, band authorized release. not this single dvd from BBC Films + Dvd. Also the only other release by BBC Films + Dvd was an unofficial dvd of a The Cure concert.
 
EDIT: Actually, fail, that is an official release ^. It just needs this cover. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genesis_Movie_Poster.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genesis_Movie_Poster.jpg
 
 
All these record labels have many unofficial releases.


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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 15:32
Heres one from Rush.
 
This live release
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35062" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35062
 
by Leftfield Media is unauthorized by the band. Nearly all releases from this label are also unofficial.
 
 


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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 15:43
VDGG dvd release by Classic Rock Productions.
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=31919" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=31919


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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 16:37
Muse Unofficial stuffs.
 
These two Muse demos were never given an official release.
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24646" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24646  and http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36684" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36684
 
 
 


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 07 2012 at 12:09
Thanks for reporting and researching these entries, hopefully they will be deleted.  

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: October 07 2012 at 14:17
Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

 
These two dvds
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22024" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22024
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12429" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12429
 
by Classic Rock Productions are unofficial. A good many of their dvd releases are not authorized by the band.

There are lots of "Inside" series releases by Classic Rock Productions. All of them are "independent critical reviews" and not authorized by artists, but they are offered by respected stores and nobody called Bob Carruthers (CLR chief) to the court yet. I don't think we need to delete these "Inside" DVDs and CDs.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 07 2012 at 14:27
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

 
These two dvds
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22024" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22024
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12429" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12429
 
by Classic Rock Productions are unofficial. A good many of their dvd releases are not authorized by the band.

There are los of "Inside" series releases by Classic Rock Productions. All of them are "independent critical reviews" and not authorized by artists, but they are offered by respected stores and nobody called Bob Carruthers (CLR chief) to the court yet. I don't think we need to delete these "Inside" DVDs and CDs.

They are not Bootlegs, that's for sure.


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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 07 2012 at 16:10

I was under the impression that anything unauthorized by the band wasn't supposed to be listed here. But ok.



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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 13:37
Album Type
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*No Bootlegs and Unauthorized Albums accepted
ErmmThey are still technically unauthorized.


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 14:41
^ An understandable link please. Confused

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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 14:43
it's a copy paste of the Album Type section in the submit releases page.

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 15:13
Oh gosh... If it's impossible to give a link please give the band's and album's names.

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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 15:56
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Oh gosh... If it's impossible to give a link please give the band's and album's names.
 
 
Nononoononoonono. I was referring to what you said earlier.
 
 
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:


There are lots of "Inside" series releases by Classic Rock Productions. All of them are "independent critical reviews" and not authorized by artists, but they are offered by respected stores and nobody called Bob Carruthers (CLR chief) to the court yet. I don't think we need to delete these "Inside" DVDs and CDs.
 
It says no adding of bootlegs or albums unauthorized by the band. This is in regards to the two Muse demos. Not bootlegs. But not authorized for release.


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 16:11
^ As far as I can tell, authorized by the band (or unauthorized by the band) is a tricky thing. We all know, in good old times bands were signed to labels, changed labels and so on. Labels, in their turn, could go bankrupt, become a part of a bigger label etc. In many cases artists quite often lost control over their back catalogue. But the remains of these unfortunate labels still had some rights, were able to give licences to other labels etc. And it's not against the law (no matter how good or bad it is).

Thus, as I understand it, "unauthorized by the band" is not necessarily equal to "bootleg".




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Posted By: Einsetumadur
Date Posted: November 10 2012 at 14:51
David Gilmour Live 1984
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=27501" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=27501

it's sold in record stores, but I think that it's no legal release.




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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: November 10 2012 at 15:02
^ Defefinitely it's not approved by Gilmour, but I'm not sure it's illegal.

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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: January 17 2013 at 09:39
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35374

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: February 24 2013 at 05:46
A bootleg?
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40529" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40529


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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: March 02 2013 at 21:08
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

A bootleg?
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40529" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40529
So that's a no then?

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 00:09
^ all the tracks are sourced from 5 separate BBC Radio Top Gear sessions which were previously broadcast (as far as I am aware) However, all things being 'pure at the source', to be a legitimate release it would have to be either released by the BBC themselves or licensed to another vendor. I can't find any evidence of this anywhere so I guess it should be nuked. (I ain't an admin so I can't do this)


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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 11:17
^ OK. Thanks for answering and confirming my suspicion.

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 11:33
^^ Will anybody ask admins to delete it?

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 11:39
^ I could do that.

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 11:43
OK, please contact any admin.

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 11:52
PM sent to admin.

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 14:44
From what I read on Discogs, this live album by Magma is a bootleg:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3320" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3320



Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 16:45
^ Thanks, the only review here confirms this too: "This is actually a bootleg released before seventh records...".

I've sent PM to admin.


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 07 2016 at 10:47
It seems The Doors "Seattle 1970"  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=51476" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=51476  is a bootleg. Actually it's a bootleg well known by the fans long before 2015 BRR edition. 

Normally Bright Midnight label releases the band's archive recordings and they are remastered by Bruce Botnick and announced on the Doors website. Nothing like this in case of Seattle performance. Discogs also says it's unofficial:
http://https://www.discogs.com/The-Doors-Backdoor-Man-Seattle-1970/release/7924138" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.discogs.com/The-Doors-Backdoor-Man-Seattle-1970/release/7924138
http://https://www.discogs.com/The-Doors-Backdoor-Man-Seattle-70/release/8085469" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.discogs.com/The-Doors-Backdoor-Man-Seattle-70/release/8085469


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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: June 07 2016 at 18:10
^ Deleted. Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: June 18 2016 at 12:18
Hello,

I think this one is a bootleg:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38688" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38688

It doesn't appear in the official discography:
http://www.ashra.com/disco/welcome.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.ashra.com/disco/welcome.htm


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 18 2016 at 14:03
^ Looks like it's so.

Discogs and RYM call it unofficial and unauthorized:
http://https://www.discogs.com/Ash-Ra-Tempel-Paris-Downers/release/534717" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.discogs.com/Ash-Ra-Tempel-Paris-Downers/release/534717
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/ash_ra_tempel/paris_downers__salle_wagram_6_december__1974/" rel="nofollow - http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/ash_ra_tempel/paris_downers__salle_wagram_6_december__1974/

This recource http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/ash-ra-temple-recorded-live-at-salle-wagrem-paris-december-6-1974-a-78807.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/ash-ra-temple-recorded-live-at-salle-wagrem-paris-december-6-1974-a-78807.html  says it's a bootleg.


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: July 16 2016 at 07:56
Another one to bite the dust: Focus  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52453" rel="nofollow - In Concert 1973  ( http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52453" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52453 )

There are 2 editions, from 2013  https://www.discogs.com/Focus-In-Concert-1973/release/4989274" rel="nofollow - https://www.discogs.com/Focus-In-Concert-1973/release/4989274  and 2016  https://www.discogs.com/Focus-In-Concert-1973-/release/8409742" rel="nofollow - https://www.discogs.com/Focus-In-Concert-1973-/release/8409742 . Both unofficial.


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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: August 21 2016 at 02:35
I'm pretty sure this Zappa live album is a bootleg:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=51008

It's widely available, but it isn't featured on any of the FZ and FZ Family Trust websites.


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: August 22 2016 at 07:31
^ Thanks, looks a boot. Will report it (and other albums mentioned in this thread) to admins. 

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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: August 22 2016 at 07:43
^ Noted. Thumbs Up

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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: August 22 2016 at 07:58
Keishiro, please look at these 2 albums reported on this page and decide let them live or die:

1. Ash Ra Tempel "Paris Downers"  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38688" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38688

It doesn't appear in the official discography:  http://www.ashra.com/disco/welcome.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.ashra.com/disco/welcome.htm .

Discogs and RYM call it unofficial and unauthorized:
http://https//www.discogs.com/Ash-Ra-Tempel-Paris-Downers/release/534717" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.discogs.com/Ash-Ra-Tempel-Paris-Downers/release/534717
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/ash_ra_tempel/paris_downers__salle_wagram_6_december__1974/" rel="nofollow - http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/ash_ra_tempel/paris_downers__salle_wagram_6_december__1974/

This recource  http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/ash-ra-temple-recorded-live-at-salle-wagrem-paris-december-6-1974-a-78807.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/ash-ra-temple-recorded-live-at-salle-wagrem-paris-december-6-1974-a-78807.html  also says it's a bootleg.

2. Focus  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52453" rel="nofollow - In Concert 1973  ( http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52453" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52453 )

There are 2 editions, from 2013  https://www.discogs.com/Focus-In-Concert-1973/release/4989274" rel="nofollow - https://www.discogs.com/Focus-In-Concert-1973/release/4989274  and 2016  https://www.discogs.com/Focus-In-Concert-1973-/release/8409742" rel="nofollow - https://www.discogs.com/Focus-In-Concert-1973-/release/8409742 . Both unofficial.



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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: August 22 2016 at 08:21
Sure, will check. Thanks! Smile

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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: December 17 2016 at 06:59
There's this new Camel DVD:  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=53501" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=53501

http://Camelproductions.com" rel="nofollow - http://Camelproductions.com says nothing about it. Only real info I found with a very fast check was this:  http://www.cd-services.com/product_info.aspx?id=14582" rel="nofollow - http://www.cd-services.com/product_info.aspx?id=14582  No info about any label. Smells funny to me, this one.


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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!


Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: December 17 2016 at 08:00
http://www.camelproductions-store.com/available-soon-for-pre-order--ichigo-ichie-camel-live-in-japan-218-p.asp" rel="nofollow - http://www.camelproductions-store.com/available-soon-for-pre-order--ichigo-ichie-camel-live-in-japan-218-p.asp

False alarm! They've added it to their official shop since morning.


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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 20 2016 at 13:36
^^ Thanks. No bootleg - no problem.

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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: January 13 2017 at 06:37
Roine Stolt has confirmed on the FK Yahoo group that the Agents of Mercy live album listed on progarchives, "Magic Kingdom", is in fact a bootleg and should be removed.  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=49220

Also, the person who made the recording has a free version on archive.org, with Roine's permission and he also verified that the recording was his and that it is not an official recording and should not be for sale.

1c. Re: Agents of Mercy - Magic Kingdom
    Posted by: "Roine Stolt" mailto:[email protected]" rel="nofollow - [email protected] roine.stolt
    Date: Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:19 pm ((PST))

not legit -

there is only ONE legit live recording from Agents of Mercy -
and that’s the Power of Two  CD.

if it says “Magic Kingdom ……..” it is most likely from "Magic Room" in Boston,
and with Nick DV on drums.

Roine.


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 13 2017 at 07:31
^ But it's also on Mellow Records (not a pirate label, as far as I can tell) bandcamp page:  http://https://mellowrecords.bandcamp.com/album/agents-of-mercy-magic-kingdom" rel="nofollow - http://https://mellowrecords.bandcamp.com/album/agents-of-mercy-magic-kingdom

Thanks, I'll send PM to admins, decision is up to them.


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 13 2017 at 08:20
Well, Mellow's Bandcamp had its own version of Kate Bush's new Live album up on that page before the real thing was released.  I got to hear it for about a day before it mysteriously vanished.  LOL 




Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 13 2017 at 16:56
^^ It has been claimed before that the http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-18166.html" rel="nofollow - Mellow Records bandcamp account has had bootlegs available for purchase (legal disclaimer: don't sue the messenger). I'm removing it as I have not found it listed on the Agents of Mercy site and because of what was written by Infandous. Thanks for alerting me, Eugene.


In case it is ever claimed as an official release, here is the info from the album page:

Live, released in 2009

Songs / Tracks Listing
1. The Fading Ghosts of Twilight (8:54)
2. The Unwanted Brother (9:45)
3. Heroes & Beacons (9:20)
4. Jesus on the Barricades (5:21)
5. A Different Sun (13:04)

Total Time 46:24


Line-up / Musicians
- Nad Sylvan / vocals
- Roine Stolt / guitars, bass, vocals
- Biggo Zelfries / piano, organ, mellotron, minimoog, violin
- Pat Mastelotto / drums, percussion
- Zoltan Csörsz / drums
- Jimmy Keegan / drums
- Jonas Reingold / bass

Releases information
October 17, 2009
Recorded live in Brighton, England 2009




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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 06:27
There are many officially released CD's recordings on Discogs listed as unofficial.  These unofficial CD's usually cost less then the official releases. 

Are these Discogs unofficial releases ripped and burned from official releases?  Are there other explanations?

I ask because I'm  tempted to purchase an official unofficial RPI release.  



Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 07:20
^ Wrong thread, this one is for reporting bootlegs in PA database.

Anyway to your question - it's necessary to check each particular case. Some are burned from official releases, some have simpler artwork, some were released as bootlegs first and then officially.  


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