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Topic: Faust, Wakhevitch and Art Zoyd Fausts
Posted By: Logan
Subject: Faust, Wakhevitch and Art Zoyd Fausts
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 16:08
I chose three albums that I really like for this poll -- if you think of another worthy album with Faust in the title, please mention in a post.

Late EDIT to improve topic title and specify that I mean albums with "Faust" in the title

Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 16:19
I eat carrots on a rainy day with a sunshine girl and a sad skinhead.

Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 16:30
Don't know the middle one, but of the other two I like Faust's Faust better. The AZ one is pretty cool though.

Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 16:35
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Don't know the middle one, but of the other two I like Faust's Faust better. The AZ one is pretty cool though.

Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 16:38
I prefer only Faust by J. W. Goethe.

A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!

Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 16:40
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Don't know the middle one, but of the other two I like Faust's Faust better. The AZ one is pretty cool though.

Please do check out the second vid I posted (some might be a little offended by images in it) and let me know what you think.

I love Faust's self-titled, I like Art Zoyd's very much (I prefer the subsequent Art Zoyd album Haxan whiih I love), but I went with Docteur Faust.

Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 16:49
I haven't heard the Art Zoyd or the Wahkevitch least I don't think I've heard the Art Zoyd.  I might have on Grooveshark, but I can't remember at the moment.  No vote, due to lack of familiarity with 2/3 of the choices. 

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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 17:10
The only Igor I've heard are the streaming songs here, but there are a few and most of them are quite long. I slightly prefer the s/t Faust album to the AZ one, which is still great and I consider their 'comeback' album.

Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 18:41
Definitely Wakhevitch.

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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: May 04 2011 at 21:25
Art Zoyd for me.

"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2011 at 12:22
You know, I think this is just about the most evenly matched poll I've ever done which has received any votes (done some that had zero ties).  I'm glad to see appreciation for all three of these, I think, excellent albums. I do love all three of these albums even though I chose the, I think superb, Docteur Faust.

Some more music for those unfamiliar with the choices (people should feel free to vote even if they've only listened to the streaming tracks, by the way).

Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2011 at 12:52
Here are some reviews and ratings of the albums.  For balance I like to show positive and negative reviews which I think kind of important when doing these partially for greater exposure topics -- caveat emptor, but in the case of the Art Zoyd there is only one review, which is positive, so I chose the lowest rating to offset it, and with Wakhevitch's there are only two reviews and both are positive, so I chose the lowest rating there is for the album.

Igor Wakhevitch
- Docteur Faust

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5 stars Docteur Faust is the wonderful sophomore album from electronic avant-garde composer Igor Wakhevitch. After the electronically manipulated and bizarre sounding spoken- word introduction that immediately sets this album off on a whim of uneasiness, the wonderful 10-minute long "Materia Prima" begins and the central elements of this album become clear: chamber orchestra arrangements with profound influence from 20th century composers and stark avant-gardist sonic electro-experimentation of the weirdest variety, with occasional dramatic vocals and additional elements from krautrock. All of these factors really intertwine flawlessly to create what basically sounds like an experimental-electronic-rock-symphony. All of the traditional progressive electronic elements are here (droning, buzzing, etc.) but the equal parts of psychedelic krautrock flavor really make this album a unique listening experience, and avant-gardists should definitely take note of this artist and this album in particular.

Igor Wakhevitch would later go on to work with Salvador Dali, which after all this seems inevitable.

colorofmoney91 | 5/5 |

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Whoah, Bonnek, how could you?CryLOL


ART ZOYD - Faust

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4 stars Initially I thought that the running streak of the first couple of albums had petered out by the later, more recent era of AZ, but having listened to this one a few times, I have been pleasantly surprised by the powerful material contained in this (I believe) score for a film...If this is not a score/soundtrack, well it sure sounds like it should be one. What we are dealing with is a musical collection so rich in sound and texture and ambience that the individual songs collectively convey a rich tapestry of images. Most are scorched earth and barren wastelands, dark corners; sinister, long, dimly lit hallways with voices echoing from nowhere. The story of Faust is centuries old, and a very potently symbolic tale of man's desire to know all, and the shortcut he is willing to take. In yearning for "the secrets" and pleasures of life, Faust had made a pact with the Devil (actually his representative, Mephistopheles) for said treasures, yet sealed his fate by turning over his soul in exchange, forever damning him. No doubt a strongly Christian, cautionary tale, warning of the road to excess and its damning consequences. I suppose a modern interpretation would be the southern "meeting the devil at the crossroads".

The music evokes the imagery so well in this album, that you feel as if you yourself are descending into the despair of an inescapable fatality.... The music starts immediately into a chilling descent, in the track "down" where the harmonies clash ever so slightly in such a way, building downward glissandi, in such a way that you are not quite sure if the pitch is descending, it is maddening and delirously dizzying- the way the music seems to bend downward, as if the protaganist (you) were being pulled into a descent of frustration, desperation, and madness. I must say this begins the nightmare rather well. This may just be the DARKEST album they have accomplished. Of the longer two songs on here (the rest are shorter segues of textural and subliminal, minimalistic and potently emotional bridges that blend into each other- each one a cliff-hanger setting you up impatiently, even cautiously for the next), Gate Of Darkness 1 is palpable in its building crescendo- erecting the very gates of an entry into the darkest concept imaginable... as if one were staring into a portal that accesses the very depths of a grand and beautifully terrifying hell. It is a curious vista, one which begs you enter it. It does not overstay its welcome. As I write this review, it is the day before Halloween (Samhain), and nothing could be more proper than the ritualistic invocation of the true concept of the once pagan holiday... utilizing dark music to set the scene.

Although for the most part I love this album, I find that a few of the songs unnecessarily repeat a groove or notion. There are however always leading voices over this groove that solo, yet I almost expect the music to follow a more bold classical feel, wherein the individual voices lead their own way, pulling in different sections, yet many of the undercurrents build a gently boiling progression that builds, but at times is almost anti-climactic. To its credit, there are many more exotic instruments used here... very mysterious feeling abound. The music here is more concerned with building an overall brooding feel.

I am impressed that the collective known as Art Zoyd have managed to modernize their sound in such a way that they obviously did their homework, by this I mean they were heavily influenced by industrial and IDM and electronic/experimental acts. The sounds used here are almost Musique Concrete meets drone and dark ambient. There is a lot of texture and implied rhythm and beats, making this more subliminal and slow-moving rather than immediate like most of their other albums. I suppose it helps to have been exposed to the forementioned styles of music- in order to appreciate this album more. They utilize a pounding rain in one track, with rhythmic thunder claps. Another track has a cawing crow. I thought I heard a zither, repeating a haunting arpeggio.

In the song Pact, you feel as if the deal is sealed with the appearance of dark minions crawling on the floor towards you, branding your soul as you sign in blood. Although a short movement, the track Irruption is a clanging, pounding, demonic and metallic (in the sense that it sounds like a punishing heavy metal track, yet more industrial) passage that I wish they would have fleshed out more. It is intense and very driving. Dies Irae (day of wrath) is another favorite song, once again evoking the essence of an apocalyptic embodiment. Essaim, which is basically a word for a swarm of insects, constructs that very notion. It is like a manifestation of a plague. I actually imagined more of a "lord of the flies" sort of image, like the coalescence of flies, constructing the devil himself. It is a very rousing track. Accelerando is, just as the title suggests, a song that builds from a slow pulse of chimes in the fore with bass thump in the back, the rhythm of the chime multiplies exponentially every couple of measures and then subsides; then the bass takes its turn... the song ebbs and flows in the fashion.... building building building and releasing (etc.) As stated, many of the tracks are withdrawn and scared, quietly crawling...

Overall I would say that this album utilizes the ambient and chilling elements that make Art Zoyd so engrossing... I imagine that experimental Norwegian act Ulver has listened to this band at length... as they use some of the same tricks of suspense and impact through layering and building. This is the french equivalent of a horror soundtrack, although not cheesy. Its unfortunate that more people have not given this one a chance. I find that I enjoy horror movies quite a bit for the score... the way it manipulates your emotions and lends a real sense to the scenes that flash by, without which you would probably laugh at implied horrors. This album is oozing infection and erosion.

- Faust

../Collaborators.asp?id=13850" rel="nofollow - LedBerry71 5 stars The best Krautrock, and a true masterpiece(insert your favorite description), and one of the greatest albums of any sort of all time. It's up there with Unit Structures, most of Coltrane's stuff, Mingus, and any other rock, even could stand in the top 100 or so of all time works. The key is that it is not original, the cut up technique was founded with Virgin Forest by The Fugs off of their Second Album, and pushed further with Zappa, and has feelings of Floyd, Beefheart, and the Velvet Underground. They came after all of them and in my mind is third to only 2. White Light/White Heat & 1. Blonde on Blonde. I know that Blonde on Blonde seems to be out of place for some people in this argument but it was the first true concept album and Dylan is the father of all after him in the sense of using the album as a portrait rather than a simple collection of songs, but thats all any of them are! Faust, like most anyone or anything else that is good in art or leisure, is rejected by those who have no respect for themselves or others. I understand that for those who like Faust there are those who dislike them by simple definition of like and dislike, but those who like generally or exclusively like psychedelic music should salivate at the experience of Faust. Those who like this I would recommend Faust IV(no surprise), White Light/White Heat, Velvet Underground & Nico, Parable of Arable Land, Saucerful of Secrets, and Neu! Yes, there are endless of other Krautrockers I like, but this is beyond the category that was so helpfully defined on the opening track to Faust IV.
LedBerry71 | 5/5 |

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burgersoft777 | 1/5 |

Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: May 05 2011 at 12:53
Can't beat Faust (err by Faust), totally bonkers. And masterliness, too.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 15 2011 at 15:36
Little bump cause I think all three are really good albums and I hope more people will check out the vids i posted and share fairly detailed impressions, be they good or bad.

Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 15:38
I'll assist in the bumping due to the fact that due to this thread I found myself a copy of Wakhevitch's Doctour Fasut. And it's quite good. Not as electronic as I expected. Loved that drum/bass duet in whatever song it was, and it ended on a strong note.
Still, not as good as the other two IMHO, but certainly worthy of investigation by avant fans.

Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 16:37
Docteur Faust is way better than anything in the poll, on PA, and pretty much anywhere else. Anyone who thinks differently is wrong and just needs to listen to it more.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 17:22
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Docteur Faust is a fantastic album, and why I did this poll.  I once loved Faust's debut.  I do think Art Zoyd's Faust very good, and have been listening to it a lot of late, but it's not nearly as remarkable.

I voted for Docteur Faust myself - I´ve been listening a lot to it lately, and i really love the psychedelic element to it. I actually heard Faust s/t this morning ridiculously loud, to get even with my upstairs neighbor, who woke me very early with Bailamos or whatever it´s called by butter-tenor Enrique Iglesias.

P.S. Thank you for those Mwandishi related recommendations some time ago. I am over the moon in love with Sun Ra´s Lanquidity and the Donald Byrd one! Just brilliant stuffClap   

“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams

Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 19 2013 at 12:21
I recently listened to Faust's version of Faust (sounds positively loopy) and I was surprised of how good it was. As much as I dig the newer stuff, I don't hear anything that comes close to moistening me knickers the way say IV or So Far do. -Maybe except for the collab they did with Dhälek. 
On this occasion though, I was really feeling em. Great albumThumbs Up 

“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams

Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 19 2013 at 12:23
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

moistening me knickers

My other avatar is a Porsche

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.

-Kehlog Albran

Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: September 19 2013 at 13:11
IGOR Big smile

Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: September 19 2013 at 14:10
Faust debut is one of the weirdest albums I've ever heard, it took me a few spins to get it. 
Don't have the other two.

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