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Topic: Fred Frith Much?
Posted By: frippism
Subject: Fred Frith Much?
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 10:26
I would like to spread the love for one of the nuttiest composers and improvisers of our time: Fred Frith! The dude is an absolute monster when it comes to the guitar and it's amazing to see what he does with it. I want to hear more people concerning the enjoyment him (for those who don't know he was guitarist for pioneering RIO band Henry Cow- but most of his music sounds nothing like Cow).

For those who don't know where to start- start with Gravity 


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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 13:47
Love Frith but I'm not familiar with most of his post-80s work (except Naked City).


Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 13:50
^ you should totaaaaally check out his post-80s stuff it's rather rad. Most of his albums are worth listening to, especially Speechless, Gravity, Cheap at Half Price, and Dropera which I just got and is great! He is more or less a master composer

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 14:23


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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 15:57
^ great stuff, I really don't know how his guitar is still in good shape after 40 years! Especially when he does those shenanigans

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 16:42
I'm not sure, but I wonder if he hadn't replaced his guitars from decades to decades...


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 17:06
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I'm not sure, but I wonder if he hadn't replaced his guitars from decades to decades...


You're obviously not a guitarist Tongue


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 17:15
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I'm not sure, but I wonder if he hadn't replaced his guitars from decades to decades...


You're obviously not a guitarist Tongue


No, I'm a bass player - but, sometimes, I try to adapt some techniques of Frith on my instrument.

By the way, the movie Step Across the Border (1990) is TO BE SEEN, WATCHED AND STUDIED (but that's, like, just my opinion, man).


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 18:41
Alls I have to say is check out the Fred Frith entry on this site and see who added a bunch of titles. Big smile

I generally prefer his 70's and 80's stuff to his more recent, but I have Eye To Ear 3 on order.

My favorites are Gravity, Speechless, Cheap At Half The Price, and The Technology Of Tears. 

The Skeleton Crew albums are excellent, too.  I got to see them live. Big smile


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 19:02
I've liked everything I've heard with Fred, really.  I know I'm not the only one here who knows French Frith Kaiser Thompson either, right Slarti?  Their music is really good. 

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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 19:18
His work with Naked City, Cosa Brava and the Cow was tremendous; I really despise his Derek Bailey-like thing going on his solo guitar performances though.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 20:07
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

I've liked everything I've heard with Fred, really.  I know I'm not the only one here who knows French Frith Kaiser Thompson either, right Slarti?  Their music is really good. 

What's really funny is that Invisble Means came out on the Windham Hill label. LOL



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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 20:13
I still haven't heard that one, only Live, Love, Larf & Loaf.

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 20:20
I need more Frith.


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 21:40
His recent solo stuff is very good.

Remember he's a bassist too, and a very good one at that.


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 22:41
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

His recent solo stuff is very good.

Remember he's a bassist too, and a very good one at that.

Yeah, guitarist/bassist/violinist/mallet percussionist (at least some basic, he plays some on the Henry Cow DVD with the box set IIRC), vocalist, etc.  All-around talented fellow, I'd say.


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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 23:33
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I'm not sure, but I wonder if he hadn't replaced his guitars from decades to decades...


You're obviously not a guitarist Tongue


No, I'm a bass player - but, sometimes, I try to adapt some techniques of Frith on my instrument.

By the way, the movie Step Across the Border (1990) is TO BE SEEN, WATCHED AND STUDIED (but that's, like, just my opinion, man).

Yeah I know I MUST GET IT, do you know where can I buy it? Surprisingly it won best documentary in a bunch of festivals. Not only that it's Frith and Zorn and Kaiser and a behindload of other people but it's also supposedly actually a good film.

And I'm also a bassist and I've done a few of Frith's songs (Spring Any Day Now I've actually brought to a jazz ensemble, and they weren't very happy with it...). His bass playing shouldn't be overlooked, it is very percussive and precise.


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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 23:34
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

His recent solo stuff is very good.

Remember he's a bassist too, and a very good one at that.

I didn't get any of his post-2000 stuff, anyone have anything to recommend?


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 23:37
I actually don't own any solo Frith, which is surprising because he's my favourite guitarist

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 18 2011 at 23:49
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

His work with Naked City, Cosa Brava and the Cow was tremendous; I really despise his Derek Bailey-like thing going on his solo guitar performances though.

I actually rather love them! The two ends of the spectrum that he does are both rather tremendous. His composing is incredible mostly because he can make a dance like tune sound completely messed up. I love his improvising because of the things he constantly does with the guitar which are absolutely bonkers! Always very interesting to hear, and just as interesting to see!


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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 03:33
Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

His recent solo stuff is very good.

Remember he's a bassist too, and a very good one at that.

I didn't get any of his post-2000 stuff, anyone have anything to recommend?


His latest group project, Cosa Brava, is definitely well worth checking out.


Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 04:51
Originally posted by The Hemulen The Hemulen wrote:

Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

His recent solo stuff is very good.

Remember he's a bassist too, and a very good one at that.

I didn't get any of his post-2000 stuff, anyone have anything to recommend?


His latest group project, Cosa Brava, is definitely well worth checking out.

From what I heard on Youtube, this is some of the more interesting Frith stuff I've heard! Plus it has Carla Khilstedt and Matthias Bossi from Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, one of my all time favourite bands! And the harp girl from News From Babel! RIO supergroup much?


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 06:31
Every RIO group is a supergroup! LOL
Remember Massacre? The first line-up was: Fred Frith; Bill Laswell (bass); Fred Maher (drums). Then, in 1998, the new line-up included Charles Hayward (This Heat, Quiet Sun...)
It's hard to find a project of Frith which isn't a "RIO supergroup".


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 10:22
Indeed. RIO has always seemed like a proper musical family, with the same old faces (and a steady drip-feed of newer ones) coming together in all kinds of different permutations. RIO musicians just seem to be natural (or perhaps arguably ideologically-driven in some cases) collaborators, and it's one of the movement's key strengths, IMO.

I listened to "Learn to Talk" by Skeleton Crew for the first time in ages today. I bloody love that album.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 10:43
Originally posted by The Hemulen The Hemulen wrote:



I listened to "Learn to Talk" by Skeleton Crew for the first time in ages today. I bloody love that album.
it's fine
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/SkeletonCrew_AlbumCover_LearnTalk.jpg" rel="nofollow">File:SkeletonCrew AlbumCover LearnTalk.jpg


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 13:05
I think the presence of Frith, even if the other members were all unknowns, would make a band a RIO supergroup.

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 13:26
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by The Hemulen The Hemulen wrote:



I listened to "Learn to Talk" by Skeleton Crew for the first time in ages today. I bloody love that album.
it's fine
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/SkeletonCrew_AlbumCover_LearnTalk.jpg" rel="nofollow">File:SkeletonCrew AlbumCover LearnTalk.jpg

Just listened to parts on youtube and it's f**king bril. The man made too much good music, how does he expect everyone to listen to everything if so much of it is good?


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 13:33
I'm looking to place an order from Wayside in the next couple days, anyone know if I would like

http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Products/French--Frith--Kaiser--Thompson---Invisible-Means-%28expandedremastered%29__05-FLED3072.aspx" rel="nofollow - French, Frith, Kaiser, Thompson - Invisible Means


edit: or http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Products/French--Frith--Kaiser--Thompson---Live--Love--Larf-and-Loaf-%28expanded%29__05-FLED3067.aspx" rel="nofollow - this one ?



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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 13:43
hmm, and this looks interesting
http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Products/Death-Ambient-%28KatoMoriFrith%29---Death-Ambient__TZ7207.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Products/Death-Ambient-%28KatoMoriFrith%29---Death-Ambient__TZ7207.aspx



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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 14:13
Colin, if that FFKT album is anything like the one I have, you'll probably enjoy it.  It's not quite as avant as the other stuff, I'd say it lies somewhere between Richard Thompson's stuff and the avant stylings of the other three...plus, it's got a cover of La Grange. Headbanger

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 14:19
I'm not necessarily looking for strictly extreme avant things (although I'm going to order some of that too).  For example I love Art Bears which Gabe calls pop music LOL


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 14:22
You'd probably enjoy it, then.  Also, it's not them who covers La Grange, it's Crazy Backwards Alphabet.  And the cover is sung in Russian. 

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 14:32
This should do for now

1 TZ7605 Frith, Fred - Clearing

Unshipped
$13.00
1 FREDFR9008-9009 Skeleton Crew - Learn To Talk/Country of Blinds 2 x CDs

Unshipped
$22.00
1 FREDFR9007 Massacre - Killing Time

Unshipped
$15.00
1 TZ7207 Death Ambient (Kato/Mori/Frith) - Death Ambient

Unshipped
$13.00

SubTotal: $63.00



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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 14:33
Ouch, my wallet

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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 14:40
I'm lucky...I have birthday cash coming my way soon. Tongue

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 14:56
One of the true greats of the last 40 years. Lots of good recommendations so far - I'll just point newcomers in the direction of Keep The Dog, a live double set of his late 80s/early 90s touring band (including Charles Hayward on drums) that gives a pretty good overview of his solo albums up to that point.
 
And Skeleton Crew's Learn to Talk is ludicrously good; get the double CD set from ReR and you get both studio albums and a nice selection of live bonus tracks to boot.


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 15:52


Awesome.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:36
Listening to Eye To Ear III.  Whoever says you can't dance to prog don't know what they are talking about.

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 00:42
I finally just saw "Step Across The Border", and what an incredible film!!! Not only is the music bloody fantastic, but the cinematography is very unique. It just showcases Frith's genius in a very interesting way.

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 05:18
Also exchanged a few emails with Frith today. I want to get a hold on some sheet music for "Spring Any Day Now" and he was very nice and seemed (unless I was just completely star-struck and he just told me to bugger off) to be glad to try and help get the sheet music and to send it to me when he's home! Bucking awesome...

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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 07:28
Death ambient rule! Thanks Colin! Because I learned them from you. Fred Frith is fantastic!

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Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: July 07 2011 at 16:05
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Frith_Guitar_Quartet" rel="nofollow - The Fred Frith Guitar Quartet is another Frith project to look for and I haven't seen it mentioned in the thread yet.
I was mainly interested in it because it featured Doctor Nerve's Nick Didkovsky.

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Posted By: GypsyJoker
Date Posted: July 09 2011 at 20:44
Fans of Fred (FoFs?!) should check out the documentary Touch the Sound, which is about percussionist Dame Evelyn Glennie; FF is in quite a bit of the film as Glennie's chief collaborator.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 14:51
My Wayside order came in today.  Massacre's Killing Time, both Skeleton Crew albums, Death Ambient and Frith's Clearing.  Headbanger



edit: LMAO iTunes calls these albums "indie rock"


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 15:05
^ Funny maybe, but if they're using the original sense of the word then they're right.

My music store also keeps in the indie section all sorts of RIO, krautrock, jap-avant and avant.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 15:08
Anyway, decided to start with Massacre and it is brilliant.  Love it.

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 23:54
Just got both Skeleton Crew albums and the Cosa Brava albums! (On Itunes unfortunately, shipping to Israel is quite expensive unfortunately). Skeleton Crew is rather hilarious and really genius, and Cosa Brava's album really is just stunning. The folky arrangements are just beautiful!

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Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: July 12 2011 at 00:22
I have not checked out a lot of his solo work or much after Art Bears split. But I love his work with Art Bears and Henry Cow, so I am motivated to check out his work.

So much music to check out, so little time......



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