Proggiest Fates Warning
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Forum Name: Prog Recommendations/Featured albums
Forum Description: Make or seek recommendations and discuss specific prog albums
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Topic: Proggiest Fates Warning
Posted By: Negoba
Subject: Proggiest Fates Warning
Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 09:37
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For some strange reason, I never got into Fates Warning in the past despite really liking Queensryche. So I just picked up Perfect Symmetry which sounds very much like The Warning / Rage era with something new added, real prog!
The end of "At Fates Hands" is amazing, especially considering it was 1989.
So my question is, where do I go next for more of the prog aspect? ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 11:32
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Try A Pleasant Shade of Grey. Their best album IMO. Disconnected is also great. -------------   
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 11:34
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If you are looking for the "prog" aspect, A Pleasant Shade of Grey is the answer, great album that becomes outstanding after a few listens. Disconnected is good too and even their last one FWX is quite decent if you give it time. The only album that is well regarded whose magic I have never really detected is Awaken the Guardian, a borefest. ------------- 
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 11:42
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Thanks, seems like Pleasant Shade of Grey is the choice after reading a few old FW threads. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 11:44
I took some time to like Awaken the Guardian, but now it is one of my fav FW album. But it does sound a bit out of place, I agree. -------------
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The T wrote:Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 12:13
Try Parallels and A Pleasant Shade of Grey. The former represents the band with a melodic heavy metal edge (very much like Queensryche - even more than Perfect Symmetry), whereas the latter is an extremely progressive concept album. And both are awesome.  -------------  Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: August 31 2011 at 02:39
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I have only one album Disconnected and enjoyed it a lot. it's very unique in style, mix of metal with subtle ethnic elements and some noise electronics I'd call that "ambient metal" (if such thing exist). Is there some similar in style from other bands? |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 31 2011 at 18:13
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OP is on the money. Perfect Symmetry was one of 4 albums that really sparked my foray into progmetal. That one along with Watchtower Control and Resistance, DT's Dream and Day, and Voivod's Dimension Hatross. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 31 2011 at 20:13
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No Exit is less proggy, but I don't think you'd forgive yourself if you don't hear it. The Arch stuff is great too. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 06:51
I was a huge Fates Warning fan in the 80's/early 90's..... I can't stand Pleasent Shade Of Gray 
But yeah, Parallels and Inside Out are both fairly Perfect Symmetry-like...maybe a bit more metal though.
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Posted By: moszaic
Date Posted: September 12 2011 at 03:47
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I really like three fates' albums 1.Pleasant shade... 2.Disconnected 3.FWX What a great job a producer can do?(if his name is Terry Brown)---at least for the 2 of them
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 21 2012 at 12:43
Agreed. Height of their technical peak is A PLEASANT SHADE OF GREY. PERFECT SYMETRY is 2nd I feel ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: October 21 2012 at 12:51
IŽd say go for this one:  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=34617" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=34617 Technically not a Fates warning album, but very close. ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Federico95
Date Posted: October 22 2012 at 12:21
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I would suggest Inside Out which is a very good album with great atmospheres because I think that it is the nearest one to Perfect Symmetry for its sound, but my favourite overall is Parallels. Inside Out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI0bfPf88Qk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90O_9s8-my0 Parallels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVf6Jj42o7Q&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRrDyc4d2f0 ------------- 
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 22 2012 at 14:45
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^^ oh great albums for sure!! I just feel both Parallels and Inside out aren't albums that demonstrate the peak of their proggiest performances, although they are both great albums and really showed another side of Fates that they could commercialize their sound a bit. Definitely Fates's most accessible albums. How can anyone not love MONUMENT!!! ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Federico95
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 06:37
Monument is fantastic, I especially love the outro even if it has completely nothing to do with the rest of the song  -------------
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 10:45
I know!! It's brilliant. What do you think of THE IVORY GATE OF DREAMS? For me, it's one of their best songs for sure. It's also a song that really defined progressive metal in general. So many great bands learned a lot from Fates When they were at their proggiest. ;) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 15:08
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Thanks for the Arch/Metheos mention. I was listening to tons of FW back in 2003 to around 2005 and it's good to hear this same voice again doing new things. I had no idea this album existed. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Ytse_Jam
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 15:14
| I always found 90s FW quite boring. It's not by playing dissonant notes and odd signatures that you'll get a good prog album. Go with Awaken the Guardian! It has Jon Arch on vocals, good Iron Maiden influences and it's the one that really progresses from the typical 80s heavy metal sound IMO. |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 15:18
^Well as you can see on the frontpage of PAs sister site MMA, it was voted album of the year by the Collabs on that site: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ . Great album indeed  ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Federico95
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 06:33
Just fantastic, I prefer their latter works but it is one of the highlights of the '80s Metal to me  -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 07:17
Agree with this. Also,moved this to Prog Recommendations. -------------  |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 07:36
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A Pleasant Shade of Grey is the highlight of the 90's if you are looking for their most "progressive" album of that period.
Awaken the Guardian should be your 80's choice if you are looking for really adventurous riff-driven prog/power metal, by far the best album with Arch (but no better than Perfect Symmetry IMO).
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 15:47
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Perfect Symmetry, Awaken The Guardian and Disconnected are my three favourites and they are all so different from one another. I'm a fanboy so i do enjoy them all but i would say that there's nothing really similar to Perfect Symmentry by this band. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: ProgDrummerTony
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 16:08
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The proggiest Fates Warning? I think after the first few albums (full of the Iron Maiden sound), the band's progressive nature completely took off, and since No Exit I'd say they've kept up the solid reputation of a true prog metal band. If I had to put all their albums on a scale of "progginess," it would probably go something like this:
Night on Brocken - 4.0
The Spectre Within - 6.5
Awaken the Guardian - 7.5
No Exit - 8.5
Perfect Symmetry - 9
Parallels - 8.5
Inside Out - 8
A Pleasant Shade of Gray - 9.5
Disconnected - 9
FWX - 7
My personal favorites are Disconnected, A Pleasant Shade of Gray, and Perfect Symmetry, although I love nearly every album in the Fates Warning discography. These guys are geniuses!! ------------- http://www.youtube.com/user/ProgDrummerTony" rel="nofollow - My Prog Drum Covers |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 16:28
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^ speaking of Fates Warnings incredible body of work, what do people think in this forum of course, about Fates releasing one more album? I think it is possible they will do one more. The hardest member to get back I think would be Mark Zonder for drums. That would be tough. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: ProgDrummerTony
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 20:10
I was pretty certain of Fates Warning releasing a new album in early 2013, but unfortunately there's a complete lack of details on the internet, especially on their website. Therefore it's not currently clear whether FW is still writing, recording, or other such preparations. It's also not clear what the lineup will be; I definitely agree that having Zonder in on this would make for some killer drum tracks. In fact, Zonder's probably one of the main reasons why I would look into this album, along with Ray Alder's vocals and Jim Matheos' brilliant guitar work. I would love it if Fates Warning could create another masterpiece like A Pleasant Shade of Gray or Disconnected, as I'm a big fan of this more recent sound development. Sure hope it turns up in 2013  ------------- http://www.youtube.com/user/ProgDrummerTony" rel="nofollow - My Prog Drum Covers |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 20:15
 yeah see!! Oh man I hope your right!! 2013!! That would make my year!!! Anyway, a great band like Fates with a Killer discography shouldn't go out with the album FW 'X'. Ya just can't! That album was a mediocre effort.  ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: October 25 2012 at 05:47
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My top would be: A Pleasant Shade of Gray Parallels Perfect Symmetry No Exit And yes, the Arch/Matheos album is amazing - one of the best of the year. ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List 
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 25 2012 at 18:54
I thought Rob (Ron?) Jarzombek had taken over drum duties. I'm pretty sure Zonder won't come back. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 25 2012 at 19:01
Everyone's telling you to jump over to A Pleasant Shade Of Grey (APSoG), but...I think you'll find it off-putting if you fast-forward to that album. My favorite FW albums are a tie between Perfect Symmetry and Parallels. PS is more "metal" while Parallels is more refined and very melodic. The songwriting on Parallels is fantastic. And it's the next album in their discography, so go there. After that, they released Inside Out, which contains the stunning "Monument," which is certainly one of the best songs they ever recorded. Overall, a very good album just behind the previous two. You also want to hear No Exit, the album before Perfect Symmetry which introduced Ray Alder on lead vocals. Prog metal without keyboards. APSoG is a conceptual album-length work which is more of an acquired taste. They had balls for recording it instead of selling out to the nu-metal masses. Disconnected was alright at first but I haven't listened to this in a long time. FWX, same deal. Someday I'll revisit those two. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |