jamie salazar vs zoltan csorsz
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Topic: jamie salazar vs zoltan csorsz
Posted By: ulver982
Subject: jamie salazar vs zoltan csorsz
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 18:31
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Who do you think was a better drummer for The Flower Kings? I'm gonna go with jamie, he was more rock based and zoltan was a bit jazzier. Don't get me wrong though, zoltan is an insanse drummer, I just like jamie's sound... I can't wait to hear their new drummer though... |
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 18:36
The new drummer is EXCELLENT. When I saw him, he'd only had a
handful of TFK gigs under his belt, yet... he played like he
OWNED the songs, he was a real heavy hitter, while still having great
subtleties... a mix of Jamie and Zoltan, if you will.
Extremely nice guy, too, we had a good chat. 
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 18:48
Batard, I wanna see the drummer! 
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Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 18:49
I meant to say...the new drummer 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 19:39
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Being a FK fan and drummer I like Jaime but prefer Zoltan because of his jazzier,slightly more complex style.I haven't been fortunate enough to see FK live this year,but I heard Marcus Liliequist was pretty good and can't wait to hear him on the next FK album. -------------  |
Posted By: Yurkspb
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 02:14
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Have to say I prefer Salazar, though I like Scorsz very much too. Maybe because I prefer earlier TFK albums... |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 07:41
| Have you checked out Salazar work with Jonas Hellborg in the late 80's? The first so-called The Jonas Hellborg Group album (on Hellborg's Swedish label Day Eight Music) is a recording of drums and 6 string/4 string electric basses - (but, if tempted to order, not to be confused with the excellent The Jonas Hellborg Group e album with the Johansson Brothers) - it has a great mix of rock and heavy jazz rock. I once had a hire car CD player set on repeat for 90 minutes for Dead from that album - a tight two and a half minute instrumental & a real 'let's drive mad' track. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 16:07
| I rate Zoltan highly and have seen him live twice with both TFK and The Tangent.Don't really know the other guy. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 16:53
| Liliequist is indeed awesome. Between Csorsz and Salazar, however, I don't think I have a preference. |
Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 19:26
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I became aware of the Flower Kings in 2000. I bought Retropolis after hearing a few samples on the net. I liked the drummer Salazar very much on instant. Very lively drumming, never sounding forced, like so many drummers when the signature or tempo is changing. Space Revolver came out soon afterwards and I liked him even better. Great drummer! Too bad I never saw him live. By the time they released The Rainmaker (and I owned most of their back catalogue by then) the news that TFK had a new drummer really scared me. Man, what were they up to? Zoltan! Still muttering, I purchased Unfold the Future, and man... This Zoltan character can play. He plays the drums in a way I have never heard before. Technically perfect and very dynamic. I like him even more (as a drummer) than Jaime. Also the work he did on Adam and Eve and the 2 Tangent records is quite remarkable. Then 2005, and a new drummer again. I've heard Zoltan live in Tilburg last year for a 1200 or so audience (really much too loud), and had the opportunity to see Marcus in the Circus Brimstone tour last april in Rijssen for 100 people or so (quite an experience, the sound was excellent this time). Marcus is a very good drummer, like Jaime, but IMHO not the prodigy Zoltan was. Still I think Roine Stolt has kept up high standards when it comes to TFK drummers and I am quite eager to hear him on record. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 19:31
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Sir Hogweed,check out Zoltan's work on Jonas Reingold's 2 Karmakanic cd's,Entering the Spectra and Wheel of Life.More great stuff ------------- |
Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:11
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Ah, thanks for the tip, Progtologist. After the show in Rijssen I had a Karmakanic CD in my hands to buy, but went for The Swedish Family CD so Tomas Bodin could sign it for me (nice guy, btw). If I knew Zoltan was on the Karmakanics I would have bought it right then. If any of you guys want to hear Marcus... Apparently, he is the drummer on the new Tomas Bodin CD (I Am). My local record store didn't have it yet |
.Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:13
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Zoltan..........of swing! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:20
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Dire! Perhaps try it again but in Welsh???? |
Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:22
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Check this out: http://hem.spray.se/ric.a/mp3/the_inner_circle_of_reality.mp3 - http://hem.spray.se/ric.a/mp3/the_inner_circle_of_reality.mp 3 (Time Requiem, with Jonas Reingold and Zoltan Csörsz, I started a thread about them a while ago. Let me know what you think about them and Csörsz drumming on that disc in particular) ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:37
Zoltan gan swing? You see Welsh is a very ancient language, so there's no word for "swing" as a music concept! Hebrew is also a very ancient language, but in Israel they have scholars "creating" new words in Hebrew, so that modern words like telephone have a Hebrew equivelant! (despite this Israelis still call it a telephone or more accurately "telefon") ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:14
Wow, great heavy stuff! Even Mike Portnoy should hear (and fear) this. The dynamics of the drumming, Zoltan's strongest point, is massacred in the production though. But that's also the case with Mike Portnoy's and all the Progmetal recordings I know (but that's a nice subject for another discussion). Also, bassplayers in the universe, check out this great stuff by Jonas! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:19
The whole disc (Time Requiem: The Inner Circle Of Reality) can be a little boring at times, if you're not a keyboard player. It's great, though, and even more so if you know Jonas and Zoltan from the Flower Kings ... it's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:21
The FK DVD (Meet The Flower Kings) is THE DVD for you. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:53
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Yes, I know. I lended it to a friend (violinist) who was really not into them (Genesis was his only cup of tea) and it totaly converted him into a raving flowerhead in one week. Almost scary |
.Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:56
It's nice to know that not every Genesis fan considers the Flower Kings to be 70s prog rip offs. Edit: Being a violinist, he must have appreciated the discipline of the musicians involved. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 16:20
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That's what kept him interested the first watch, so the music itself had the chance to take over his brain unnoticed |
. Strangely enough, though, my efforts to get him into Yes after this have yet to succeed. He could not dig CTTE, apart from the musicianship. Any suggestions?Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:33
Maybe the vocals annoy him ... they are a little sloppy, slightly off pitch. That's something that only trained musicians (especially those playing fretless instruments - like violins) recognize. Maybe you can interest him in one of their newer recordings of the song ... it's a little far fetch, though. Maybe he just doesn't like them, and you can't argue about taste. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:38
Although the Flower Kings sound a bit like Yes and Genesis sometimes, its not suprising. After all that is what has gone before. The Flower kings, besides this have their own unique sound which is a combination of many things! Does that make sense? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 19:57
I happen to agree with you Sir Hogweed. Taste is a very subjective and personal thing. I wish more people on this site would "live and let live" rather than "trash or be trashed" when it comes time to write in these forums. |
Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:28
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Actually, I didn't write this. Mike Enregalia did in a reply, but I agree with both of you |
Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 16:40
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I had my own problems with Anderson's voice but i've learned to live with it. The violinist is not converted to Yes yet, so I guess he just doesn't like it, which is ok by me. I am planning to force feed him Awaken for a last chance (he's much more into Mozart than Stravinsky), then I will give up and we just continue our high profile music discussions, concerning other stuff. |