Foxtrot vs. The Lamb
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Topic: Foxtrot vs. The Lamb
Posted By: Nash
Subject: Foxtrot vs. The Lamb
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 12:12
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two masterpieces (in my opinion) of prog music which is your favourite one?? Foxtrot is amazing, but i prefer The Lam ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow">  |
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Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 13:32
| Neither are my fav Genesis, but I'll go with the Lamb. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 13:42
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The one with the silent B ! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 13:46
| Both. I love both albums. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 13:52
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Foxtrot. If the Lamb had been two sides only, then it would have been a damn sight closer. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: pool2000
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 13:55
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i absolutely love genesis but could not get in to lamb so its gotta be foxtrot ------------- queen, genesis, pink floyd, spock's beard, transatlantic, pendragon, peter gabriel, supertramp, unitopia, the watch, the lens, IQ, camel, nektar, big big train, dream theater, galahad. |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 14:01
| The Lamb, by far, although Supper's Ready is my favorite Genesis Track. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 14:02
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Well, here's a wrench in the works for you, if we're talking about the original LP releases it's The Lamb. If we're talking about CD releases then Damn I can't decide.But, and here's the crux, if we're talking about the 1970-1975 Remixed Box set then Foxtrot is the clear winner. I have been so absolutely blown away by the remixed editions of 70-75 albums it's like discovering a new band all over. I'll end up sending my original CD's to the local Op-Shop (Sally-Anne,Goodwill) because they may never get played again. Anyone else have these versions and care to share their thoughts? ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 14:16
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Foxtrot
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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 14:29
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Foxtrot... probably. Next week I might choose The Lamb. My fave track on Foxtrot is 'Can Utility and the Coastliners', a miniature masterpiece. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 14:39
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The Lamb is one of the few Genesis albums I can stand with. Well, I mean that I like it, not just can stand. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 14:47
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I prefer he Lamb by far ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 15:14
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the lamb one of my favorites. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 15:30
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Foxtrot ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 15:30
| Foxtrot should be regarded as the NO1 prog album imho. Lamb is an interesting but 'flawed masterpeice'. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 15:34
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Ooofah!! I picked The Lamb.........if you listen to all 4 sides it makes soooo much sense. A lot of times I find myself wandering during Foxtrot...especially side 2. But Watcher is amazing! -------------   
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Posted By: gents
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 15:52
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the numbers won't change but...... Never really got into lamb, so foxtrot it is (but still after nursery and trespass) |
Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 15:53
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vote for the 'lam' but regreted already. would have been the same the other way around. ------------- |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 15:57
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Foxtrot, despite Lamb having my favourite Genesis song, In The Cage ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 16:08
| Lamb--a masterpiece of prog---Foxtrot is great too, but not as cohesive. |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 16:30
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Damm...
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 16:54
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Foxtrot is a top 4* album. The Lamb is a good 3* album. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 17:01
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I love both, but The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is either my favorite or second favorite Genesis album.
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 17:21
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Foxtrot
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Posted By: feloniousgroove
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 17:24
| Lamb. One of my all time favorite albums. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 18:18
| Gotta go with Foxtrot today. |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 18:51
| Foxtrot is my favourite album of all time but The Lamb is pretty close to be just as great! |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 19:05
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They change places with me. They´re both faves of mine, but lately I´ve been more into lamb chops. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: glenn_ecko
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 19:57
| Tough - but I got to go with Foxtrot. |
Posted By: The Willow Farmer
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 20:40
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The Lamb has some of Genesis’ best moments (“The Lamia,” “Carpet Crawlers,” “Anyway”), but some sections certainly lag. On the other hand, Foxtrot houses some of the most sacred parts of the Genesis canon. Foxtrot by a hair ------------- Recent Music Acquisitions: Johnny Marr-"The Messenger" Steven Wilson-"The Raven that Refused to Sing" Fish-"Sunsets on Empire" Riverside-"Shrine of New Generation Slaves" |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 22:01
They both have one. The Foxtrot one is just invisible too.
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akamaisondufromage wrote:Posted By: TopographicTales
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 22:05
| Foxtrot |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 22:23
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Not only a flawless album, but FOXTROT is also the last release in which Genesis consolidates that dense and mysterious atmosphere, product of the interplay between Hackett and Banks. SEBTP is too friendly in comparison with previous releases and The Lamb is one of a kind. Even when the five Gabriel Prog era albums are masterpieces, I stay with the trilogy Trespass - Nursery Cryme - Foxtrot. Iván
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: September 07 2011 at 23:28
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Foxtrot Is My Favourite Album Of All Time. ------------- 
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 03:17
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Foxtrot is my favourite Genesis album, The Lamb is on #5 or #6.
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 03:21
| The Lam lies down on Broadway |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 03:22
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Both absolutely flawless......The Lamb IMHO is the quintessential masterpiece ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 04:28
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Foxtrot is very good although Supper drags on a bit. The Lamb is better as a single album. A number of songs get on my nerves due to the ugly vocals. I really dislike Back in NYC, while the title song becomes annoying after a minute or so and so does It. As a single album it would be a strong listen, but I still prefer Foxtrot. I made The lamb a single album with this track list:
cuckoo cucoon
in the cage
the grand parade
hairless heart
counting out time
chamber of 32 doors
anyway
the supernatural anaesthetist
the lamia
the colony of the slippermen
riding the scree
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 06:33
| I think I'll be taking Lamb. I never cared for Foxtrot. Sure, I wish Lamb had been condensed into a single album, but even with all that filler popping up, I'd still take it over Foxtrot, an album that only ever bored me. |
Posted By: The Willow Farmer
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 07:27
------------- Recent Music Acquisitions: Johnny Marr-"The Messenger" Steven Wilson-"The Raven that Refused to Sing" Fish-"Sunsets on Empire" Riverside-"Shrine of New Generation Slaves" |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 10:04
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Foxtrot is more consistent and gets my vote The Lamb has awesome tracks and some filler IMO ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 10:57
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Foxtrot !
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Posted By: criticdrummer94
Date Posted: September 08 2011 at 14:43
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*Lamb Lies *Damn and I choose Foxtrot, Get 'Em out by Friday is a masterpiece -------------   MY IDOLS |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: September 11 2011 at 10:22
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There is a third option? Damn...
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 11 2011 at 10:40
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Foxtrot is an important and essential progressive release, perhaps the best album Genesis recorded. The Lamb contains one great album-worth of material (side 1 and 2, basically), and another full record that is a bloody, boring mythological mess. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 11 2011 at 10:50
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Damn, I can't choose... ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: b4usleep
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 06:24
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Foxtrot for sure
------------- Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 09:10
| I think Foxtrot has the best music. |
Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: September 13 2011 at 10:39
Sums my feelings up nicely.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: April 29 2012 at 12:47
+1. 'Watcher of the Skies', 'Can-Utility', 'Horizons', 'Supper'. BTW: Six six six ! Is the number of my post ! I guess I'll be celebrating ... with eight more hours of work.
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: April 29 2012 at 22:26
| Just listened to Foxtrot earlier today. "Can-Utility" is becoming a new favorite of mine from that album of surprises! However, there are so many great songs on LLDOB: LLDOB (title); Fly on the Windshield; In the Cage; 32 Chambers; Carpet Crawlers; Lamia - I could go on a bit longer... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 29 2012 at 22:30
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The Fox totally obliterates The Lamb. ------------- 
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Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 03:01
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The lamb leads the fox on a merry dance.
I voted for the wooly one.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 03:16
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Fox ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 07:33
| The Lamb is a masterpiece---Foxtrot , never did it for me from beginning to end---there are some gems in there but not a masterpiece---maybe it's the awful production. |
Posted By: spknoevl
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 07:38
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Have to go with Foxtrot; it's solid from start to finish. Lamb has some great tunes but is a little uneven in places. ------------- http://martinwebb.bandcamp.com The notes are just an interesting way to get from one silence to the next - Mick Gooderick |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 09:51
------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 10:23
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 10:30
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The Lamb for it's sheer awesomenessnessness...... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 13:24
| Foxtrot easily for me. Dont really like The Lamb so much... though it has it's moments. |
Posted By: The-Winkler
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 13:38
| Foxtrot |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 13:45
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The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway does not contain any F****r . None nope nada This word does not exist within the gatefold sleeveness of perfection that is a F****rless album!
Just thought I would make that clear. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 17:56
| ^ And yet it's not that clear to me. What would you have to say about The Broadway Melody or Ravine or Silent Sorrow? |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 18:34
And it isn't clear to me either. If at least I knew exactly which F words are you trying to write, I might get a better idea, but indeed I don't know what word you are implying... and the only one I can think of doesn't really make sense. Excuse if my english is not good enough for you post. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 00:29
| OP: Please do not include "I cannot choose" options in polls, kthxbye |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 02:37
| ^ Why not? Besides, it's their choice, a very legit one. |
Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 03:50
The Broadway Melody - a nice interlink between Fly on a Windshield and cuckoo cocoon
Silent sorrow - I love this track! - very atmospheric - you can almost visualise poor old Rael wandering off alone..
Ravine - Afraid "filler" might be appropriate term for this one!
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Posted By: Pinkhead
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 12:41
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Foxtrot for me.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 12:59
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^i'd rather not. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 13:06
The F word in this case as you guessed is 'filler' , the (poor) joke on my part is that f**k is censored here and so indeed should filler be as it should not be uttered when talking about the Lamb. As snowsnow says those tracks that some think of as filler are either beautiful in their own right or/and play a part in the story which I always see as a film soundtrack. See 'It' which I always imagined to be playing as the credits ran at the end. Anyway, we / I do not know what was in their mind at the time and I have no right to edit it. For me its my favourite of theirs so I am biased too. Take a part away and you destroy more than just that little bit like taking part of Supper's Ready away.
Apologies for non native speakers of English.
The 'making that clear' was a joke too as you might have guessed. But of a similarly poor standard. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 13:28
Ah! Same here.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 15:23
Oh, that... explains you earlier post... sort of. It never occured to me that you would be wanting to censor filler, so I never tried to fill in the "***s" with that word. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:02
^ OK, I think it's time to let it go now.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:06
Spoken wisely! Hackett & Banks are sublime on The Lamb, but it goes on a bit too long for my tastes. Foxtrot has its weak moments with "Time Table" and "Horizons," but overall, the power of the remaining music is amazing. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:19
I remember you supporting TFTO
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:36
So are you saying all double albums are too long. Or that the music on the lamb is not up to it ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 20:23
| Don't know about them, but for me, the music isn't up to it. Even if it had only 2 sides, I'd still find it weaker than the previous 2 albums. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 01 2012 at 21:13
Even though I consider it a masterpiece, The Lamb is almost my least favorite Gabriel era release (only better than SEbtP in my opinion), so not talking as a fan...But even though it's long, I wouldn't touch a note, it's a concept album and each track is an important part of the story, touching it would be some sort of blasphemy. I always believed that from Trespass to Foxtrot, Genesis developed a unique dark and dense atmosphere that falls over the listener as thick mist, that sound created mostly by the interplay between Hackett and Banks is somehow lost in SEbP and exchanged for a lighter and more friendly sound, in The Lamb they return to the obscure sound, but less successful. Iván
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 06:52
Some of both. Of TFTO, I have a take-it-or-leave-it attitude towards "The Ancient," it never really moved me like the other sides have. Similarly, The Lamb has about one full side of material I could do without. Double albums that are excellent as they were written include The Who's Tommy and Quadraphenia. Led Zep's Quadraphenia has tremendous material, but also a fair amount of filler. Live double albums like "Made in Japan" by Deep Purple, or "Yessongs" are something altogether different.
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Posted By: progtapper
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 00:49
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 01:14
 Can't believe I missed you saying that. Looks like I wasn't ... What?!
... regarded by whom? |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 02:12
Hm ... I think SEBTP is darker than Foxtrot (parts of Moonlit Knight and 2nd half Cinema Show vs. Apocalypse).
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 06:04
| FOXTROT. While THE LAMB has a couple of tunes I really love, maintream critics notwithstanding (who usually reckon it their best, for reasons I can never comprehend), it was their worst Gabriel-era album in my opinion. Who wants to hear Gabriel sing about Broadway or a guy named Rael wandering around in NYC? I want English drawing rooms and musical boxes. :-) |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 11:20
| ^ Even though I don't like The Lamb, you have to look past Broadway for more on that one. |
Posted By: Pinkhead
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 11:24
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Foxtrot
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 11:36
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Lamb Lies Down ....On Broadway! Supper is Ready Everyday But you don't meet the slippermen everyday! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 11:39
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Foxtrot Slightly unrelated, listening to Transatlantic's cover of Giant Hogweed makes me want to get back into this band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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