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Topic: Ngram Research and Prog
Posted By: friso
Subject: Ngram Research and Prog
Date Posted: September 22 2011 at 11:38
Today I was watching some presentations on TED.com and I found this talk about the use of Google Ngram. With this method you can find how much specific words are mentioned in an immense collection of books throughout our history. As a result you get a nice graph. So I though.. let's do some research for our beloved progressive genre. I've made some graphs using ngrams, but I would like to invite every-one to make some of you own and post them here. http://ngrams.googlelabs.com" rel="nofollow - Google Ngrams

1. Was the term 'progressive rock' really used in the seventies?
This graph shows conclusive evidence that such a thing as 'progressive rock' existed, though the term became more usual since the prog revival of the nineties.





What about psychedelic rock?
This graph shows nicely when the genre started and it's peak.





What about specific genres?
The possibilities are great, take for instance folk rock:




and Jazz Rock?






And what about Disco? (whahaha)







When did people began to use the term 'heavy metal'?







Does it also work with specific bands?
The problem with many band names is that the words are commenly used. For instance; the word 'Genesis' has been used since biblical times. But some bands give nice graphs. For instance: Hawkwind that was at it's peak in the mid seventies:






And what about our instruments? For instance, our beloved mellotrons?






Or the electric guitar?






Conclusion
Go to http://ngrams.googlelabs.com" rel="nofollow - Google Ngrams and post your findings in this blog!

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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: September 22 2011 at 11:43
Interesting results, great idea! Clap


Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: September 22 2011 at 18:51
Version of your Hawkwind graph showing they actually began to became most prominant in the late 90s/early2000s


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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: September 22 2011 at 19:52
Interesting.  Well, I learned that in the early 1800's there was a habit of replacing S's with F's.  They even had this habit the "Spiritual Magazine" from 1802.  Even in passages that use the word "suck".  The URL is censored, however, as we do not have that habit today.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y0cEAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA334&dq=f**k&hl=en&ei=Cdd7Tt2xHaTG0AGb6r3PAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEcQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=f**k&f=false" rel="nofollow - http://books.google.com/books?id=Y0cEAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA334&dq=%22f**k%22&hl=en&ei=Cdd7Tt2xHaTG0AGb6r3PAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEcQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=%22f**k%22&f=false

Science manuals describing how young animals are able to feed also practiced this habit.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jlFhAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA152&dq=f**k&hl=en&ei=59h7Tu7ZK9PH0AGY-5HhAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=f**k&f=false" rel="nofollow - http://books.google.com/books?id=jlFhAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA152&dq=%22f**k%22&hl=en&ei=59h7Tu7ZK9PH0AGY-5HhAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%22f**k%22&f=false


Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 02 2011 at 07:57
Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

Interesting.  Well, I learned that in the early 1800's there was a habit of replacing S's with F's.  They even had this habit the "Spiritual Magazine" from 1802.  Even in passages that use the word "suck".  The URL is censored, however, as we do not have that habit today.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y0cEAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA334&dq=f**k&hl=en&ei=Cdd7Tt2xHaTG0AGb6r3PAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEcQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=f**k&f=false" rel="nofollow - http://books.google.com/books?id=Y0cEAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA334&dq=%22f**k%22&hl=en&ei=Cdd7Tt2xHaTG0AGb6r3PAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEcQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=%22f**k%22&f=false

Science manuals describing how young animals are able to feed also practiced this habit.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jlFhAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA152&dq=f**k&hl=en&ei=59h7Tu7ZK9PH0AGY-5HhAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=f**k&f=false" rel="nofollow - http://books.google.com/books?id=jlFhAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA152&dq=%22f**k%22&hl=en&ei=59h7Tu7ZK9PH0AGY-5HhAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%22f**k%22&f=false

It's the way they wrote the S's; they didn't replace them. If you read the US Constitution or Dec. of Indep. in its original calligraphy it can be rather confusing in that way.


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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: October 02 2011 at 09:32
Very cool. I've seen this Google function before but at the moment I couldn't think of anything to use it for. Now I have a reason to use it Smile

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 20:42
I'm not doing uploads for this experiment, but do one for splunge.  I always thought it was just a Monty Python made up word. If you run progressive rock back to 1800, there's a slight plateau around 1900.  So I'd suggest to you that want to know what the first progressive rock album was, I suggest you do some research.


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Posted By: KABSA
Date Posted: May 03 2012 at 18:55
No, This is not a reliable method.

Re - The very first graph

In 1976/77, the punk movement was enormously everywhere and welcomed, and just huge ! Massive !! MEGA  !!!

The Tenet behind Punk was the Sickening of Progressive Music., "which actually by 1975 Prog was quite insipid i may add"., and All Punks., And All/Anyone., who had an interest in Rock., knew this.

In 1977., The Term Progressive Rock., was Massively referred to "for all the wrong reasons"., But nothing shows upon the Graphic.

The jump upon the Graphic seems to indicate 1993. That was very much Indie period. The Crass Notion of Progressive Dance., Prog Techno etc.

i worked in a musical instrument shop late 90's., and it was not till 2001 when Rock instrumentation again became Top Selling Hardware.

Anyone !!!


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 10:11
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'm not doing uploads for this experiment, but do one for splunge.  I always thought it was just a Monty Python made up word. If you run progressive rock back to 1800, there's a slight plateau around 1900.  So I'd suggest to you that want to know what the first progressive rock album was, I suggest you do some research.
 
I'll try this ... sounds like fun!
 
Not surprised to see a hump in 1900 ... since that time is also the time when film was also getting it's first real go. In the next 10 to 20 years, this stuff exploded, including a lot of classical music as we know it.
 
The term showing starting in the late 60's and increasing through out the 70's ... I have to tell you that I never saw the term until the 90's when I got on the Internet and message boards ... only to discover that the music I had 2k lp's of was now called "progressive". I had only been away from the music for 10 years, though I was always picking up PH/VGG and the like!


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 18 2012 at 13:33
interesting

http://books.google.com/ngrams/chart?content=Elton%20John&corpus=0&smoothing=3&year_start=1960&year_end=2000


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