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Topic: maudlin Of The Well vs. Kayo Dot
Posted By: frippism
Subject: maudlin Of The Well vs. Kayo Dot
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 01:13
If this poll's been done tell me.

Well what you think? I've been leaning towards maudlin for a long time, but I just listened to Kayo Dot's latest literally about 10 times in a row. It blew my mind to shreds. With that maudlin's entire discography is great, but I'm going to go on Kayo Dot just because their latest is probably my favourite Toby Driver album so far. 

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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 01:23
So far I've failed to be very impressed by anything I've heard from either group - I've tried both on multiple occasions, and I have Coyote and Part the Second (who doesn't have that one? LOL) but to be honest neither would get more than a 3 star rating from me at the time being.  No vote. 

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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 02:16
I honestly cannot choose. I could listen to both of there discographies on repeat for the next couple of days, and over analyze everything they ever recorded.... and still have no idea which I like more. Essentially Kayo Dot is the same band anyway, If they would've kept there name as MOTW, we'd probably still have all the same great albums. 

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 02:23
^ true and not true. Kayo Dot is more of a motW 2.0, more mellow I guess... Well the first album's pretty maudlin-y but the rest is pretty different sonically.

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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 02:27
Yeah, but Driver said it was just the evolution of the band. They were heading in that direction anyway, who knows though, they lost a fair share of members, Driver had to contribute more, and Kayo Dot is really his machine.

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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 03:11
The difference between the two for me is akin to a moderate change in musical direction within one band. I think the only reason Driver changed the name is because he didn't want the same fanbase judging the band on what MOTW had previously released. It gave him a bit of breathing space. 

That said, I love them both, but I think Maudlin are the most consistant, so I shall vote for them, but really there's nothing in it.


Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 09:25
Maudlin of the well! They had growls.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 09:40
maudlin of the Well have produced 2 albums I consider to be 5Star masterpieces and two further excellent albums.

Kayo Dot have produced 3 albums that I rate 5Star, including probably the greatest album of all time and a further excellent album and EP.

KD it is. And te two bands arent effectively the same, Driver has said that he found the concept of maudlin... (creating music through astrasl projection) to have been taken as far as it could go and so decided to end the band and make a big jump in a new direction, resulting in Kayo Dot.


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 09:42
Yes this poll's been done before, but who cares, it's a good one.
 
I really like maudlin of the well - it's a band.
 
Kayo Dot is mostly Toby Driver solo and it's so morose and often bores the living bebuddha out of me. There's still some good stuff but maudlin is so much better to me.


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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 09:51
^ They had good growls too, one of the few bands with growls which I'd actually call beautiful.

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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 09:56
Kayo Dot

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 09:56
Kayo Dot, because I just like the direction Toby has taken lately with both KD and Tartar Lamb.  Coyote is the best work among all motW and KD records.

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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 11:00
1. Choirs of the Eye (KD)
2. Coyote (KD)
3. Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue (KD)
4. Bath (motW)
5. Part the Second (motW)
6. Blue Lambency Downward (KD)
7. Stained Glass (KD)
8. Leaving Your Body Map (motW)
9. My Fruit Psychobells... (motW)

To me, Kayo Dot has progressed miles beyond motW. IMHO maudlin was one of the greatest metal bands ever, whereas Kayo Dot is the greatest thing ever!


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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 13:48
maudlin of the Well for me.  Can't really explain why too much, as I love Kayo Dot too, as alienated as I was by them before.  I can't name a single moment of motW's entire discography that I don't absolutely love, and while I could easily say the same for Choirs of the Eye, the level of excellency isn't quite as consistent as KD's career continues.

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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 14:34
I like the subtle spookiness of Kayo Dot albums much more than any of the material on motW albums.

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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 15:57
Neither thrill me at all, but I'll go with Maudlin of the Well. Part the Second is not bad, it actually some some beautiful music on it.

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 16:06
^ Can I ask you just what your signature means?

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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 18:08
Probably maudlin, oh wait Kayo Dot!.....oh i can't choose...

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 19:42
Love love love LOVE LOVE love LOVE both.  Kayo Dot, though.

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 28 2011 at 20:18
Coyote is the best prog album ever and Stained Glass is pretty perfect to so Kayo Dot while still acknowledging motW is pretty damn good. 

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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 04:55
Equality.. I have to ask.. Katy Perry? Not being a jerk, just found it odd.
Kinda awesome seeing Katy Perry right under Van Der Graaf Generator on a last list though!


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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 06:06
motW for sure.  Bath and LYBM are incredible.

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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 14:55

I was thinking of making this. Kayo Dot. They made my favourite album ever.



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Posted By: Nov
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 17:02
Originally posted by Billy Pilgrim

Katy Perry?

Can I vote for her in this poll?




Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 17:11
Part the Second. That is all.

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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 17:14
Originally posted by Andyman1125

Choirs Of The Eye, Dowsing Anemone, Blue Lambency Downward, Coyote. That is all.

Yep. Wink


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 17:17
Originally posted by topographicbroadways

Originally posted by Andyman1125

Choirs Of The Eye, Dowsing Anemone, Blue Lambency Downward, Coyote. That is all.

Yep. Wink

Fantastic albums, but PtS combined with Bath and LYBM leaves KD in the dust, IMO.


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 17:27
I would take Part the Second over everything else I've heard from either. 

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 29 2011 at 21:20
Originally posted by Billy Pilgrim

Equality.. I have to ask.. Katy Perry? Not being a jerk, just found it odd.
Kinda awesome seeing Katy Perry right under Van Der Graaf Generator on a last list though!


Her debut as Katy Perry is one of my favorite albums of all time.


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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: September 30 2011 at 00:52
That's awesome, and shows that you have a pretty broad taste that even the most pretentious self loving music on Earth couldn't hinder. Heck, I like Christina Perri..

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 30 2011 at 00:54
Originally posted by Prog Geo

Maudlin of the well! They had growls.


I do love how growls makes everything the auto winner for you LOL

As I've said many times, motW for me. Now I like Kay Dot for sure, but maudlin is just brilliant. Part the Second, though it took me a while to finally listen, is an album I can listen to any time any where any mood and it's wonderful.


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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: September 30 2011 at 01:00
Originally posted by Andyman1125

Part the Second. That is all.

I actually think that Part the Second is one of Driver's weakest albums. It's pretty in many areas, but can be tad cheesy and boring.


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Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: September 30 2011 at 11:21
Both are fantastic but Kayo Dot still more

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Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: October 01 2011 at 14:53
Very interesting poll Frippism

Both are great bands

I choose MOTW because "Leaving Your Body Map" is my favourite work of Toby Driver


Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: October 02 2011 at 13:07
Hm did anyone try out Driver's solo album? I'm listening to it right now for the first time and am enjoying it quite a lot.

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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: October 02 2011 at 13:30
Originally posted by frippism

Hm did anyone try out Driver's solo album? I'm listening to it right now for the first time and am enjoying it quite a lot.

I've never listened to it, but I've read that it makes Kayo Dot seem accessible.


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 02 2011 at 15:12
^You could say that. I get the feeling that it would make an excellent sound track to a scary film, but someone would have to make a scary enogh film for it first. 

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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: October 02 2011 at 15:25
Originally posted by SaltyJon

So far I've failed to be very impressed by anything I've heard from either group - I've tried both on multiple occasions, and I have Coyote and Part the Second (who doesn't have that one? LOL) but to be honest neither would get more than a 3 star rating from me at the time being.  No vote. 


I know the feeling, but then it suddenly clicks, so don't worry, you got your whole life in front of you Smile


And on the poll, I have 2 albums of each band which isn't enough to vote.

Also, I don't see how Part The Second is a MatW album given how little it has to do with the earlier albums under that name...



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