Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
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Topic: Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
Posted By: The Hemulen
Subject: Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:00
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Listening to that new live album from 1974 as I write this (many thanks
to a certain individual), and I am now adament that they are in fact
the greatest Italian symphonic band, period. PFM are NOTHING compared
to daring composition, expert musicianship and sheer grandeur that is
Banco! Your thoughts? |
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Posted By: progreviews
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:18
must... get... this... live album... now........  ------------- http://www.progreviews.com/"> 
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Posted By: proggin' justin
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:20
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I don't know of the album you mentioned (I'd love to), I only know of their "Banco", "Darwin", "Io Sono Nato Libero", and "Comein ultima cena" and I absolutely agree, although I am a fan of PFM, too. I have listened to the said albums a couple of times now, but they look so rich to me, like I've never even sampled them - a continuous revelation, food for thought and music hunger! Another great from Italy are I think Museo Rosenbach, with their flooding musicianship and overwhelming ideas in Zarathustra. |
Posted By: DolphinFan
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:20
PFM "nothing"?? No expert musicianship in PFM? I haven't heard this live album you are referring to, but I think you may be overstating things a bit.
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:21
| This live album is amazing! Listed on the archives - Seguendo Le Tracce. The sound quality is ASTONISHING! I've never heard such clarity on a live recording, ever! |
Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:59
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Well, I wouldn't go as far as to minimize other excellent/great/good Italian prog bands... but essentially, I agree with you. BMS is the best Italian prog band ever!!!! |
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 10:06
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I can agree on Vittorio and Gianni Nocenzi being technically more gifted than their counterparts Flavio Premoli (PFM) or Toni Pagliuca (Le Orme), and on Francesco Di Giacomo having a distinctive and fascinating voice. As concerns guitar/bass parts I would say PFM is better, though! Then I sometimes find their music too pompous and hard to listen to... Surely their debut effort and Come in un'ultima cena contain outstanding tracks such as Il giardino del mago or Il Ragno (my favourite Banco track up to now) That said, I prefer PFM for their composition skills, but I do surely like Banco (and Le Orme as well) ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 10:12
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I forgot to mention their lyrics... Di Giacomo can write excellent poetry lines...but they are sometimes too heavy for the listener's experience... PFM are more "down to earth", but easier-listening ------------- A flower?
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Posted By: DolphinFan
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:36
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Agreed 100%. Banco is amazing at times, but I've found not as easy a listen as PFM is. I know very little about Le Orme and was very dissapointed with an album I purchased a few years ago (so much so, I got rid of it). I heard nothing in common with Banco or PFM. It was quite boring. Il Fiume I believe it was called. Maybe someone could recommend a better starting point for Le Orme? |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:45
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Don't forget that Banco sold out! ------------- 
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:47
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I got to know Banco 5 or 6 years later than PFM, Le Orme and many other great Italian bands. And the result was overwhelming - similar to what I can feel Trousepress is feeling now. I used to listen to PFM and/or to Le Orme after each time I listened to Banco in order to compare, and my assurance that Banco are better was growing each time. However I would never dismiss other Italian bands and never describe them as "nothing" compared to Banco. They are still great, but with Banco still keeping position no.1 in my list. And, as I mentionned already somewhere in these forums, I consider Francesco Di Giacomo as the best vocal in prog. Now I definitely should get their live album mentionned by Trouserpress, which I do not have, as in general I do not like live recordings... ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:33
"Seguendo le Tracce" is pure fantastic genius, some months ago I bought also an ultra rare live cd by BMS: Papagayo Club 1972... 
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:36
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What album is Traccia II on? ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:44
| What's that live album called? |
Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:45
1973 Io sono nato libero |
Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 14:37
I have Felona e Sorona. That one is VERY good. Better than the Banco cd I have by far. I think Il Fiume is a modern cd of theirs. Gotta start where they were best! The 70s ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 14:59
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I think PFM and Banco are both wonderful. ------------- 
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Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 15:34
| Probably the best start with "Le Orme" is Antologia 1970-1980. It is not just an "Anthology": this album marks the rebirth of this group after the "dark" eighties. I attended at the final show that promoted this album in 1994 and it was definitely great ! It was as if the band had rediscovered thier prog roots... Since then they have performed regurally live the songs contained in this anthology and released other albums in the prog mood. They're not an heritage of the past but they're still great and with new ideas. Although PFM and BMS are still performing live too, but I have to say that they seem to have lost inspiration. Last year I attended a PFM concert and the most recent song dated 1981 ! Anyway, PFM in 1979 realesed an album live with Fabrizio De André, probably the most influent italian singer-songwriter. I'm suprised that this album is not on Progarchives. It's absolutely great. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 16:21
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PFM nothing? Per un amico and L'Isola Di Niente are quite daring. And Banco are perhaps the Italian chaps as it comes to grandeur and musicianship, but PFM has the feeling. They can so more with less notes. But even they are very good musicians, as one can hear on the excellent Per Un Amico. PFM are Italy's best! |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 16:23
| ^ BTW, I meant CHAMPS, not chaps. Yeah, they're good old chaps allright! |
Posted By: felona
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:32
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But Seguendo definitely shows them at the height of their powers in the mid seventies ... ------------- I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ...... The Church "After Everything Now This" |
Posted By: felona
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:40
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Hello andrea! yes, I absolutely agree that the Le Orme double CD compilation is a very good introduction and the tracks have also been remastered ... it may lead people to explore further as they had a few different phases in their career ...some more poppy than others ... I would also recommend their latest 3 offerings ... Il Fiume ; Elementi (2004) and L'infinito ... (2005)) Thanks for letting me know about that live PFM album as I have been wanting to get this but was unsure due to no reviews ------------- I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ...... The Church "After Everything Now This" |
Posted By: felona
Date Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:44
well, I would absolutely agree that Felona e Sorona is a good place to start .. Contrappunti ... Uomo di Pezza ... Florian (an acoustic effort & very delicate) are also good ... well, I would say that wouldn't I??? ------------- I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ...... The Church "After Everything Now This" |
Posted By: silvertree
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 10:32
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One more word about Banco. I'm afraid I can't compare them with PFM. I love both ! Anyway, Banco must have done one of the most fantastic first album ever !!! It is an absolute "must-have" for all prog addicts we are ! Just listen to that historic guitar riff in RIP (as memorable as Smoke on the Water !) or that incredible piano / synth playing in Metamorfosi. Oh, I think I'm getting overwhelmed just thinking about Il Giardino Del Mago.... It leaves me speechless. Banco ! |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 10:53
Il Fiume was released in 1996 and, despite Aldo Tagliapietra's voice becoming quite annoying after a while, I have to say that it made a great impression on me as a comeback album! The technique displayed by Michele Bon and Francesco Sartori, moreover, is far superior to Toni Pagliuca's one! After that they released Elementi in 2001 and L'Infinito last year, but I find these two works by far less impressive. About classic-era-Orme, Felona e Sorona is IMHO the most significative, followed by Storia o Leggenda in which traditional italian songwriting meets lush keyboard tapestries... Maybe the people who particularly like ELP could enjoy more Contrappunti. Florian and Piccola Rapsodia dell'Ape, instead, rely more on acoustic and baroque instrumentation, and represent an interesting and daring excursus into a previously unexplored territory. ------------- A flower?
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 11:00
I agree perfectly! This superior collaboration spans over two wonderful live albums, in which De André's superb songs become yet more fantastic and intriguing thanks to the prog interpretation! I would suggest everybody who has a good knowledge of italian language a good listen to De André's production! He was an excellent poet and genius who is sorely missed, and one of the few italian singers that I find worth listening to! (I also believe De André's Ave Maria from his omomimous album released in 1981 to be a wonderful prog track!) ------------- A flower?
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Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 14:05
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Posted By: DolphinFan
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 14:34
Sorry man. I enjoy the song, but the guitar riff is not as memorable as Smoke on the Water. At least not to 99.999% of the known universe. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 14:45
| I've only heard one album from each band (Darwin from Banco and Per Un Amico from PFM), and I can safely say that I prefer the PFM one. I am interested to hear more from both groups though. |
Posted By: DolphinFan
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 15:25
I listened to L'Equilibrio found here at Prog Archives and I must say I was mildy impressed. Much better than what I had heard prior. Thanks for the tip and I may have to look into acquiring the entire cd. |