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Topic: New Millenium Prog Albums: Semi-Final Group B
Posted By: Gandalff
Subject: New Millenium Prog Albums: Semi-Final Group B
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 01:52
Welcome to the Semi-Final, Group B of New Millenium Prog Albums Tournament!
 
Criteria to inclusion:
- Prog studio albums
- min. 100 ratings on PA
- three best rated albums of each appropriate year in Basic rounds
 
(but mixed due to alphabetical ordering)
 
Two best rated albums will advance to Final Round. In the case of equality, appropriate ratings on Prog Archives are determinative.  
 
Deadline: Monday 24th October
 
 
Another groups:
Finalists of Group A
"De-loused In The Comatorium" by The Mars Volta
"Fear Of a Blank Planet" by Porcupine Tree 
 
Group C
"Second Life Syndrome" by Riverside
"Stati di Immaginazione" by Premiata Forneria Marconi
"The Power to Believe" by King Crimson
"The Underfall Yard" by Big Big Train
"The Whirlwind" by Transatlantic
"Traced In Air" by Cynic
"We´re Here Because We´re Here" by Anathema
"Who´s the Boss in the Factory?" by Karmakanic
"X" by Spock´s Beard
"Ziltoid the Omniscient" by Devin Townsend


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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!




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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 02:02
Choirs of the Eye takes any other album ever behind the dumpster and rapes it, but in a holy way.

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Posted By: adace1
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 02:42
Lateralus

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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 02:43
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil

Choirs of the Eye takes any other album ever behind the dumpster and rapes it, but in a holy way.
I don't like brag. We'll see later...

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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 03:21
Frances The Mute is basically the best album of all time.


Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 03:22
Marbles! how can anything beat Ocean Cloud, Invisible Man and most of all: NEVERLAND!

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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 04:47
K.A. easily beats everything here ...



Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 06:11
Choirs of the Eye, easy.

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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 06:48
Another for Fances. Superb album, conceptually and musically.


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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 07:12
Porcupine tree!

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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 07:34
K.A

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 08:12
Choirs of the Eye, then K.A.

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There be dragons


Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 08:28
I'm going with Choirs

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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 08:33
In Absentia.


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 08:36
Originally posted by yanch

In Absentia.
Seconded.

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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 09:06
Pain of Salvation Remedy Lane


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 10:11
I can't decide. Disapprove

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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 10:21
Originally posted by Horizons

I can't decide. Disapprove
This album isn't on the list.Wink

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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 10:39
K.A.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 11:05
Tactical vote for Choirs.

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 11:09
Magnification is magnificent!

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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"


Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 11:37
maudlin followed by PT or Kayo Dot.

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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 13:28
Marbles!!!!

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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!


Posted By: Nerdmonstro
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 19:12
In Absentia


Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 19:14
No vote. Too many good ones


Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 00:19
Lateralus is trailing so hard :(

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 00:34
KA

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Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 12:50
Lateralus, but not by much

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 13:15
I have been really back into Kayo Dot after the modern band championship poll, and am voting for Choirs of the Eye over K.A.  Much as I like K.A., I do find CotE a better and more satisfying album.  K.A. I find lacking, cliche for a Magma fan (quite formulaic), and even quite cliche for a Prog fan generally.  I finding it lacking in textures, nuance and, I don't usually this word for music, but lacking in emotion or mood, and rather dull -- feels. Unlike most, I like the "K.A II" track the most.  Of modern Magma albums, I prefer E-Re by a wide margin, partially because of Christian Vander's exuberance in the "Hhai" and related part.

While I can understand the excitement of K.A.'s arrival, taken on it's own, it is to me, to use a word many hate, Magma's most overrated studio album.


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Posted By: petrica
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 13:24
Remedy Lane but Frances The Mute really close to....


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 13:25
Choirs and In Absentia would be cool to see go through.

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Posted By: AlexDOM
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 22:24
Really tough. I'm going to have to say Remedy Lane, but Frances the Mute is very very close.


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 02:05
Last day to vote!

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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 05:42
Originally posted by Logan

I have been really back into Kayo Dot after the modern band championship poll, and am voting for Choirs of the Eye over K.A.  Much as I like K.A., I do find CotE a better and more satisfying album.  K.A. I find lacking, cliche for a Magma fan (quite formulaic), and even quite cliche for a Prog fan generally.  I finding it lacking in textures, nuance and, I don't usually this word for music, but lacking in emotion or mood, and rather dull -- feels. Unlike most, I like the "K.A II" track the most.  Of modern Magma albums, I prefer E-Re by a wide margin, partially because of Christian Vander's exuberance in the "Hhai" and related part.

While I can understand the excitement of K.A.'s arrival, taken on it's own, it is to me, to use a word many hate, Magma's most overrated studio album.


In full agreement with this. I find it a complete mystery that K.A actually is the highest rated, and the second most rated Magma studioalbum on PA. I have a hard time listening all the way through the third part, which has a kind of glorious finale of a christian rock opera/musical (of unaturally high quality) feel to it. Still the second best album of this lot, no doubt.


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All the world is drowning
The ice caps are melting
The tide is rushing in
All the world is drowning
To wash away the sin

Tiny Tim: The Other Side - God Bless Tiny Tim 1968


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 06:03
Originally posted by Saperlipopette!

  I find it a complete mystery


Is it so difficult to gather that many people love it? Confused


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 06:30
Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Originally posted by Saperlipopette!

  I find it a complete mystery


Is it so difficult to gather that many people love it? Confused


No, I like it just fine myself. The complete mystery is that its more popular and higher rated than the (imo) far superior Kobaïa, 1001° centigrades, Köhntarkösz and also higher rated than Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh. K.A is not in my top ten of the Magma albums I own. http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/magma/1001__centigrades_f1/" rel="nofollow -

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The ice caps are melting
All the world is drowning
The ice caps are melting
The tide is rushing in
All the world is drowning
To wash away the sin

Tiny Tim: The Other Side - God Bless Tiny Tim 1968


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 06:33
^ I rephrase then, I find a mystery why you can't compute that others might like K.A more than Kobaia, MDK and others Magma albums. Surely you must know that tastes vary. 

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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 07:10
Originally posted by harmonium.ro

^ I rephrase then, I find a mystery why you can't compute that others might like K.A more than Kobaia, MDK and others Magma albums. Surely you must know that tastes vary. 


Don't get too hung up on the "mystery" part. I could write that its a complete mystery to me that someone would want pineapple on their pizza too. It doesn't mean sit and think about it while trying to solve it as a some kind of puzzle all day long. I know tastes vary, but its easier to understand that some prefer neoprog and some are into avantprog and only rarely do they enjoy the same artists. Its different with a band I have to assume that "we" all love. To me K.A is more of less to MDK what Present is to Pawn Hearts . As in a solid comeback and nothing to be ashamed of. But among their best?

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The ice caps are melting
All the world is drowning
The ice caps are melting
The tide is rushing in
All the world is drowning
To wash away the sin

Tiny Tim: The Other Side - God Bless Tiny Tim 1968


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 07:12
^ I know it's not literally a mistery, which is why it's more effective as a figure of speech. It's quite derogatory, you know. 

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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 10:06
In Absentia

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Prog On!


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 24 2011 at 13:58
Originally posted by Saperlipopette!

Originally posted by Logan

I have been really back into Kayo Dot after the modern band championship poll, and am voting for Choirs of the Eye over K.A.  Much as I like K.A., I do find CotE a better and more satisfying album.  K.A. I find lacking, cliche for a Magma fan (quite formulaic), and even quite cliche for a Prog fan generally.  I finding it lacking in textures, nuance and, I don't usually this word for music, but lacking in emotion or mood, and rather dull -- feels. Unlike most, I like the "K.A II" track the most.  Of modern Magma albums, I prefer E-Re by a wide margin, partially because of Christian Vander's exuberance in the "Hhai" and related part.

While I can understand the excitement of K.A.'s arrival, taken on it's own, it is to me, to use a word many hate, Magma's most overrated studio album.


In full agreement with this. I find it a complete mystery that K.A actually is the highest rated, and the second most rated Magma studioalbum on PA. I have a hard time listening all the way through the third part, which has a kind of glorious finale of a christian rock opera/musical (of unaturally high quality) feel to it. Still the second best album of this lot, no doubt.


I'm not surprised, I think it is the one that would be the most accessible to Progheads generally and I belive that quite a few liked and reviewed it who are not into, well, the kinds of related music that we like.  I rather feel like Vander wanted to make an album that would not only appease Magma's fans but would find success amongst people into Prog generally (not the first time Magma has gone for accessible, but he went way too far with Ooh, ooh Baby before and alienated people -- I enjoy that in a humorous way, btw) 

The third piece, in particular, I feel to be very Prog cliche.  It's noodly, rocky, and very bombastic.  I think the Flower Kings might enjoy it.  For a band that plays RIO concerts, I think it's a pretty mainstream album (mainstream in a Prog context).  I really do find the album pretty superficial and formulaic.

I mostly loved it when I got it, but it did not hold my interest that long on the whole.

BTW, not worth arguing semantics, much better to explore bigger picture ideas in dialogue than get word-picky, but I don't find ther use of mystery derogatory., and use that and similar expressions in the same way.  But different people use language differently, and their own idiom to the table.... Communication can be very clunky.

By the way, if I were to choose three fave Magma studio albums, by the way, they would be Kobaia, 1001 Degress Centigrade, and Wurdah Itah.



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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 25 2011 at 02:03
Well, this poll has been closed with following results:
 
"Frances The Mute" by The Mars Volta             5
"Choirs Of The Eye" by Kayo Dot                     10
"In Absentia" by Porcupine Tree                       15
"K.A" by Magma                                                   7
"Lateralus" by Tool                                               7
"Magnification" by Yes                                         3
"Marbles" by Marillion                                          9
"Paradox Hotel" by The Flower Kings               2
"Part The Second" by Maudlin Of The Well      7
"Remedy Lane" by Pain Of Salvation                6
Red marked albums are advancing to Final Round.
 
Thanks for your votes!
 


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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: October 25 2011 at 11:24
Magnification. Even if it's too late.

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E nei tuoi sogni
Parli con gli angeli.
- Le Orme.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 25 2011 at 15:44
Perfect results.

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Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 20:57
Magnification! Heart


Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 21:16
If I'd gotten here in time I would have voted either for Part the Second or Remedy Lane. As it stands, two of my favorite post-1970's prog albums have been eliminated...by a f**kin' Porcupine Tree record?

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 21:17
LOL


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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 21:30
I don't get it at all. I've listened to In Absentia (it's okay. The pop songs are cool when they aren't ripping off Radiohead. Or maybe they're only cool when they're ripping off Radiohead, I dunno.) I've listened to every PT album at least once. When he's not stealing from Tangerine Dream (a la Zeit) he's stealing from R-head (a la OK Computer) or something. Lots of Pink Floydian water theft. I really liked parts of In Absentia. Actually, I only gave a damn about that one song "The Sound of Muzak". In fact, it's the best and only cool song he's ever done. It sounds a lot like soft Opeth, which isn't saying positive things for Opeth. Why would Mikael and his gang take cues from this guy? I gave two Opeth albums 5/5 back in the day (Ghost and Blackwater). I think I may have heavily overrated them. There's no way in hell Blackwater Park stands next to Gabriel's "Melt" in my heart. I'm too lazy to change it, though.

Why would Mikael want to make a trillion albums that all use the same basic chords (that one that makes you think of autumn leaves and stuff)? One of the blunders of the world and no one cares diddly doo de daaah dee doo.That's a catchy, interesting song, kinda like a good Anathema/Tiamat song, only Tiamat was better at moods (Wildhoney) and Anathema was better at pop-tinge (Alternative 4). Oh, did I mention "Cold Seed"? That's a really cool Tiamat song. It's a shame Wilson sings like a college hipster 'art' nerd that sucks a big floppy donkey...ear. And no one cares diddly doo.

At least he's better than that crackhead Xavier Phideaux. He sounds like a prog rock Weird Al Yankovich.  Now I'll go and listen to Steve Wilson recording nine-hundred minutes of space echoes and electronically processed fart noises. It seems real exciting.


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He gave her his town house and his racing horses. Each meal she ate was a dozen courses. She had a million dollars worth of nickels and dimes. She sat around and counted them all a million times.


Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 11:54
Magnification, even if it's late

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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 18:58
Remedy Lane... It's one of the best albums of all time to me.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 19:24
Magma followed by Tool & PT



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