Jazz Rock-Fusion not in PA
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Topic: Jazz Rock-Fusion not in PA
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Subject: Jazz Rock-Fusion not in PA
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 13:21
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Most of these artists shouldn't be in the archives either, exept Dave Pike Set (five albums, all brilliant and fusion) and Jeremy Steig (many albums, most of them fusion). But around 1970 everybody was into it. Mmany of those who just released on of two jazzrock-albums before they returned to their regular jazz or retired, did it better than many who made a career out of it. Here's twentyfour I could think of today. All worth checking out: ------------- 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 13:30
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I´d wish you would have made this a multiple vote poll, because there´s probably not going to be that many who´s familiar with these artists. So the ones in the know, like myself could highlight more than one. Oh well - we can still post our love for these titles regardless  I voted other, because I have fallen head over heals for this beauty: I also have Stone Flute, Electric Byrd and Temple of Birth which are all faves of mine. This one is also one of my recent sonic lovers: Great poll Saperlipoppette! Hhhhmm - seems I´m having problems posting pictures, but the one I voted for was Norman Connor´s Dance of Magic, and the other that I mentioned was Sun Ra´s Lanquidity. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 13:35
Thanks
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 13:35
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Thanks. Multiple votes are now allowed. Vote like there's no tomorrow!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 13:43
Strange. You're thank you landed on top of my reply. I've never thought of that Connors one as fusion, isn't it spiritual free jazz in similar to Pharoah Sanders? And Lanquidity, I simply forgot about. I'll find a way to include it. -------------
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Guldbamsen wrote:Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 13:45
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Ok, I totally missed the Morricone one before, and you´re quite right about it being fusion. Great album with that special pomodoro-Italian-spicing - meets the grandioseness of one the best conductors of soundtrack music ever.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 13:51
I guess you could call it spiritual free jazz, but I do feel a certain element of earthiness to the album that I don´t get from say Karma. The bass work and drumming suggests fusion to me, but then again I am a scarred and jello-like individual with no basis whatsoever to found my renderings about music on, other than my ears. I don´t read music either, but I play the drums and tablas. I do love Pharaoh though. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 14:04
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^I'm totally clueless. I've never played any instrument. Can't read notes... nothing My checklist if something is jazz fusion. Does it have: Electric Guitar, Organ, rock groove, atleast one very long track and do all bandmembers sport weird hair + facial hair and clothing. I actually listened to that Connors-album while making the poll. Not the whole thing, but to check. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 14:06
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Quite a few albums I love here, and many that I haven't heard. Janko Nilovic's Rythmes Contemporaine (love to hear a lot more similar music) as well as Herbie Mann's Stone Flute became all time favourites of mine. I also love the Morricone and Mal Waldron (chose that to listen to while I type - awesome album!!!), and Dave Pike Set (that was so great), and Donald Byrds' Electric Byrd I am such a fanboy of, and really like Languidity. While Bobby Hutcherson's Cirrus is one of my favourite albums, I don't have his San Francisco. Not on the list, I would say Bob James' One (and Buster Williams' Pinnacle should at least be in Related, I think). though more jazz). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Various music I am very into: a youtube playlist with two tracks per act |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 16:03
They've both could have been included if I had remembered them. Many of the albums in the poll are recent finds or albums I've been listening lately. San Francisco (its really Bobby Hutcherson and Harold Land) is essential listening. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. -------------
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 16:28
| None of the albums you have listed i have heard, but there are two artists that you list that i have other things by that i regard highly-Joachim Kuhn and Jasper van't Hof-they are both exemplary artists |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 16:52
I think they could both be right up your alley. Btw: Dave Pike Set released five studioalbums while the american vibraphonist lived in Europe in the late 60's early 70's. Infra Red, Four Reasons, Noisy Silence - Gentle Noise, Album 1971 are all highly reccomended. Released on MPS with a killer lineup: Dave Pike: Vibraphone Volker Kriegel: Guitar, Sitar Hans Rettenbacher: Bass, Cello Peter Baumeister: Drums, Percussion -------------
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 18:49
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Stone Flute! Viva Wounded Bird! ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:29
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It appears to be out of print, but I used to have a live tape of one of his shows where there was there was a heavy synth presence and I have no idea what album was out in conjunction with that tour. I've picked up a couple of albums of his so far, but they're just basic modern jazz. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:38
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So....... Are we voting for albums we feel should be booted out of PA? or albums that we like/feel should remain in PA? **EDIT** These albums/artists are not in PA, yes? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 20:22
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Yes we have no these artists/albums are here not in PA today.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 21:22
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 26 2011 at 21:25
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 04:32
None of these are in PA . Vote for a favorite if you got one, but I made the to guide anyone interested to albums that have a similar approach to jazz as the ones in the Jazz Rock-Fusion section here. Because there were made thousands of them all over the world in the 70's. So I a made poll out of 24 of the ones I like. As I wrote in the opening post, to my knowledge only two (now three) of these has a career with more than one or two fusion albums. I might take the time and suggest them for addition later, but its not what this poll is about. Actually the poll is just used to write a bunch of names and albums for people to check out. Its easier to relate to than a long list in a post. Btw... I edited out Milt Jackson's Sunflower and included Solar Plexus Voices instead. After relistening to the former, I don't think is a kind of fusion with a relation to progressive rock. Lovely album, though. The latter is a mix between early Return to Forever and Magma at its most uplifting. All their albums are similar to RTF. Have a listen to this: -------------
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 04:59
Bob James opening track is a masterpiece. I'll see if I can squeeze him in as well. "Other" is an essential part of the poll.: I remember Pinnacle as a nice album, but not nearly as engaging as the rest of the Mwandishi-related treasures. Filed and forgotten along with Eddie Henderson Sunburst and Julian Priester Polarization if you know what I mean. I know you're not saying anything about quality, but do you consider it to be much better than I remember it? I've got it digitally, should I give it another go? -------------
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 08:30
I didn't quite understand this post. Are we talking about Dave Pike? If so, Dave Pike Set is his fusion band, and differs quite a lot from most of his solo stuff. -------------
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 16:31
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yes, Dave Pike set is rather fusion. I adore 'gentle noise, noisy silence', a true delight if you like vibraphone, and a cover of a Zappa song.
German label MPS released a lot of forgotten jazz-fusion forgotten gems, among which Peter Herbolzheimer's Rhythm combination & brasss's 'scenes' and New Dave Pike Set's 'Salomao' which has a latine vibe. Dave Pike set's 'gentle noise...' was also reissued on this german label, specializing in groove jazz. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 17:20
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I'm not familiar with any of these albums, except the Donald Byrd album; though I do know a lot of these artists.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 17:37
OK went back to the last page, I'm talking Japer van't Hoff. That Dave Pike sounds pretty good. I also don't have that Joachim Kuhn, but Sunshower and Springfever are great. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 27 2011 at 17:55
No, it is nice, but pretty forgettable -- if I'm in the mood, I may play it now and then.. I just mentioned it I think it cause I was thinking about Bob James and Bobby Hutcherson which led me to think about another first B name, Buster Keaton, which made me think of Buster Williams (sounds silly, but my mind tends to associate that way). I prefer Polarization and Sunburst to Pinnacle. Incidentally, my first Priester and Henderson albums respectively were Polarization and Sunburst. Of the two, I return to Polarization more which I don't love, love like Love, Love or Realization, and I put Inside Out over Sunburst. Oh, one album that i think good that could add to the list (not suggesting you add it to the list) is Freddie Hubbard's First Light, but it's also not an album I tend to return to. By the way, the Solar Plexus album was a terrific addition to your list, which I have voted for to go along with the others I voted for. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Various music I am very into: a youtube playlist with two tracks per act |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 28 2011 at 03:43
I'll comment on Jasper, but first Joachim Kuhn. Brutal fusion with funky fuzzorgan, hyperactive drumming, frenetic guitar and cinematic strings. Should appeal to Mahavishnu-fans (I prefer Kuhn). Now Mr Van't Hof. The wiki article doesn't even mention my two favorite albums: Association - Earwax, (1970 with: Toto Blanke, Pierre Courbois, Siggi Busch and Peter Krijnen) and Selfkicker from 1976, another one featuring Toto Blanke. He might be my favorite fusion guitarist. Lots of feel. Earwax is hardrocking fusion, while Jasper's soloalbum is more melodic, not as busy and even features a couple of beautiful, impressionistic solo piano pieces. There's nothing by either of these albums on youtube, but if you like this, I think you'll love both: -------------
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 28 2011 at 04:02
I thought of Freddie Hubbard, but relistened only to Red Clay and Straight Life. And as I remembered, both of them are just very good jazz containing some el piano. I should have tried your suggestion, which really is fusion. It was just a very long time since I've listened to any of his albums. The titletrack is stunning. Freddie's got a lovely sound: -------------
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 28 2011 at 10:54
| i simply love Jasper's album with Philip Catherine and Charlie Mariano from '78 called Sleep My Love, and also van't Hof's live album from around '78 Live at Montreux |
Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 08:22
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there is excellent jazz-fusion band Matalex, I asked it for candidates to PA, but they was refused as "not progressive enough" (strange, when Bjork considered a prog lol: ) |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 11:35
Now where the hell can I get a copy? $100.00 used on Amazon.  Eh, found one on ebay for $40, cut out, very tempting.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 09:15
What a lineup! Love Mouzon's playing on everything I've heard. His percussion is all over the place in a good way on Jeremy Steigs Temple of Birth. Flute 'n' drums a underrated combo outside of marches: -------------
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