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Topic: Mike Oldfield
Posted By: Flimbau
Subject: Mike Oldfield
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:58
 I actually didnt discover Mike Oldfield until the past year or so when I had been listening to Prog for about the past 15 give or take. I found out about him from Prog Brittannia the BBC documentary. I absolutely love the major works of his especially Tubular Bells (of course), though Im actually much more a fan of side 2 than side 1, Ommadawn for any number of reasons, Hergest Ridge to a lesser degree and even quite a bit of his later output. Thoughts?

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 19:46
Hi,
 
I don't think that Mike Oldfield is progressive, and does not need the honors from PA or Melody Maker or New Music Express to get his accolades and deserved credit for the great composer he is.
 
Very simply, Mike, Vangelis, Riuychi Sakamoto are probably the 3 greatest composers in the past 50 years, and there are not very many classical composers that can even rival the output and quality of the work they have. Maybe a Stravinsky or Benjamin Britten ... but not a whole lot of others with such an excellent output of music in the last 100 years.  I also believe Klaus Schulze and Edger Froese/Tangerine Dream deserve to be in this club!
 
I would also seriously reconsider why someone is thinking that something has to be "progressive" by our terms in order to be heard, or known!
 
It's not about being "progressive" at that point. It's about having the guts and balls to do what you see and feel and not fall victim to the masochistic and fanatical socialistic definitions of popular music that it all has become, strictly as a sale tool and an advertising emblem!


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 20:01
I think Oldfield valued length and eclecticism more than consistency.

That said, Ommadawn is great.  Amarok, not so much.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:18
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I think Oldfield valued length and eclecticism more than consistency.

That said, Ommadawn is great.  Amarok, not so much.
I agree, though I do think he put (proportionally) as much effort into his shorter tracks as he did the longer ones and over the years I've come to like the inconsistency in his output (especially the "Ibiza" influenced stuff of TB3).
 
Incantations will alway remain my personal favourite.


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Posted By: Navegador
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:21
Mike Oldfield music is boring.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:27
Originally posted by Navegador Navegador wrote:

Mike Oldfield music is boring.
I have heard that said, though obviously I don't "get" it myself, then some people find Phil Collins fronted Genesis to be crushingly boring. You can't please everyone I guess.

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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:46
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
I don't think that Mike Oldfield is progressive, and does not need the honors from PA or Melody Maker or New Music Express to get his accolades and deserved credit for the great composer he is.
 
Very simply, Mike, Vangelis, Riuychi Sakamoto are probably the 3 greatest composers in the past 50 years, and there are not very many classical composers that can even rival the output and quality of the work they have. Maybe a Stravinsky or Benjamin Britten ... but not a whole lot of others with such an excellent output of music in the last 100 years.  I also believe Klaus Schulze and Edger Froese/Tangerine Dream deserve to be in this club!
 
I would also seriously reconsider why someone is thinking that something has to be "progressive" by our terms in order to be heard, or known!
 
It's not about being "progressive" at that point. It's about having the guts and balls to do what you see and feel and not fall victim to the masochistic and fanatical socialistic definitions of popular music that it all has become, strictly as a sale tool and an advertising emblem!

Personally I think Frank Zappa rivals and surpasses them but I do like Mike Oldfield, his guitarwork has an unique quality to it.


Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 02:15
For me Tubular Bells and Ommadawn are the best Oldfield albums. Still looking for Exposed. Incantations is on my wish list too ...


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 02:49
Originally posted by Navegador Navegador wrote:

Mike Oldfield music is boring.
that gave me a real belly laugh. Thank you!
 
 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 02:59

Hergest Ridge ,Ommadawn,Incantations,Amarok and Songs of Distant Earth are all amazing as far as I'm concerned. I very much second Moshkito's comments about Oldfield and Vangelis. Both remarkably creative musicians.

Oldfield has perhaps had to battle with his personal demons which has held him back from making more amazing albums. Amarok came about almost as a two fingered salute to Richard Branson after their 'break up',something about 'cloth ears' I believe.
 
Has to be said there are some mediocre efforts like the later TB series although I was never 100% convinced that the original album was a masterpeice. Far too rambling and unfocused for my liking. Hergest Ridge has far fewer ideas but is far more beautifull imo.
 
Albums like Platinum,QE2 and Crises are worth checking out for sure although there was perhaps more attempt to make his albums 'commercial' at that time. They are'nt bad though just a mixed bag.
 
I would recomment checking out Oldfield's DVD's. There are a lot out there and they are all decent quality. I especially like the 'Exposed' one that was filmed in the late seventies including a rocked up version of Tubular Bells.


Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 10:44
Been an Oldfield fan since I was a kid and think his early albums are of very high quality in it's content. His post-Incantations ones (up to Crises) are very good as well but after that it's far more up's and downs. Tubular Bells 2, Amarok and Songs From Distant Earth are excellent though.

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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 10:54
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

his guitarwork has an unique quality to it.


Agreed. Next time you listen to one of Kevin Ayers' early albums* like Shooting at the Moon, Whatevershebringswesing, etc. listen out for Oldfield's guitar. It's unmistakable.

*This is something everyone should do now and again, incidentally.


Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 10:55
Originally posted by The Hemulen The Hemulen wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

his guitarwork has an unique quality to it.


Agreed. Next time you listen to one of Kevin Ayers' early albums* like Shooting at the Moon, Whatevershebringswesing, etc. listen out for Oldfield's guitar. It's unmistakable.

*This is something everyone should do now and again, incidentally.
 
Bought Joy of a Toy a while back, but have yet to listen to it. Maybe I'll give it a spin today!


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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 11:05
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by The Hemulen The Hemulen wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

his guitarwork has an unique quality to it.


Agreed. Next time you listen to one of Kevin Ayers' early albums* like Shooting at the Moon, Whatevershebringswesing, etc. listen out for Oldfield's guitar. It's unmistakable.

*This is something everyone should do now and again, incidentally.
 
Bought Joy of a Toy a while back, but have yet to listen to it. Maybe I'll give it a spin today!


Don't think he plays on that one, but yes, do listen to it. Plenty to love on that album, Oldfield or no.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 15:15
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by The Hemulen The Hemulen wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

his guitarwork has an unique quality to it.


Agreed. Next time you listen to one of Kevin Ayers' early albums* like Shooting at the Moon, Whatevershebringswesing, etc. listen out for Oldfield's guitar. It's unmistakable.

*This is something everyone should do now and again, incidentally.
 
Bought Joy of a Toy a while back, but have yet to listen to it. Maybe I'll give it a spin today!
 
Confessions of Dr. Dream ... is best ... specially that long bit after "Once I awakened" ...
 
 


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 15:21
Originally posted by akaBona akaBona wrote:

For me Tubular Bells and Ommadawn are the best Oldfield albums. Still looking for Exposed. Incantations is on my wish list too ...
 
It will cost about 50 bux, here in the US, but the EXPOSED DVD is massive and worth having, and getting a chance to see Pierre Moerlin, Pekka Pohjola, Maddy Prior and everyone else simply marvellous, is a major treat and worth it ... and I still think that is one of the best concerts with an orchestra and rock band I have ever seen.


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 19:31
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Hergest Ridge ,Ommadawn,Incantations,Amarok and Songs of Distant Earth are all amazing as far as I'm concerned

Add Tubular Bells and the Montreaux DVD and you have my list. I also like Tubular Bells 2.

I am also still looking for a copy of Exposed.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 02:52
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Hergest Ridge ,Ommadawn,Incantations,Amarok and Songs of Distant Earth are all amazing as far as I'm concerned

Add Tubular Bells and the Montreaux DVD and you have my list. I also like Tubular Bells 2.

I am also still looking for a copy of Exposed.
The Live at Montreaux DVD is probably my second favourite Mike Oldfield DVD. There is also a double sided DVD that has TB2 and TB3. The live version of TB3 at Horse Guards Parade is another of my favourites. Much more enjoyable than the studio version imo.


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 13:21
TB2 at the Edinburgh Festival is one of my favourite live videos.

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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 15:22
I miss quite many from his discography but TB, Ommadawn, Hergest Ridge... masterpieces. And Exposed is one of the best live albums around (well, actually there are so many others Embarrassed


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 07 2011 at 08:10
When you stop and think about the structure of his music it all becomes evident that his style is for a mood that one might encounter every now and then. I find myself waiting for the moment when I desire to hear his music. Some of his background would indicate traditional Irish folk influences which are sometimes actually played over an electronic ambient soundscape. The directions in music that Mike Oldfield personally prefers to explore are not written in any other artists book of rules or discoveries of new methods in composition.
 
This connection between the label of "Progressive Rock" and Mike Oldfield began back in 1973 or 74' when a majority of Yes, Genesis, and Jethro Tull fans on the east coast took notice of his distorted guitar on Tubular Bells. I put emphasis on this somewhat silly point due to the majority of people dismissing his electronic soundscapes as something unique and placing them into a personal relation with the Pink Floyd soundscapes of the 70's. So as a result ...Tubular Bells became the favorite album to play along with Close to the Edge and a host of others. While this part of Oldfield's reputation was developing...another huge following of Electronic music fans... globally were writing him up to be from that world. Just as Klaus Schulze,  Tangerine Dream, Ash Ra Tempel, and Steve Jolliffe were. It could have been that on the west coast of the U.S.......he was thought of in this way. Mike Oldfield seemed to cross both borders of Electronic Music and Prog over many decades.
 
 His work with David Bedford was closer to the style of Electronic music than his own works. He did hail from the 70's European Electronic music scene yet decided to lean more towards the usage of real instruments. In the case of hiring Pierre Moerlin instead of using a drum machine.  On his 5th studio album he began hiring singers and writing more simplistic songs ...which! some of them could have charted to #1 on a "Top 40" list. Steve Hackett was traveling this road as well.  I was blown away when I watched the "Tubular Bells II" dvd concert and noticed for the first time that Mike Oldfield did not use a pick when playing lead guitar signature riffs or during his improvisation. I had to go back and listen to all the leads he recorded with Bedford and of the course his first 4 albums. He is very clean at fingerpicking and all those high pitched squeals in his leads are harmonics played with his fingernails. An observation with Jeff Beck for example.....how many snooty musicians will make claim to him being nothing more than a "Rock Player" and not realize that most of his leads are fingerpicking style.....which!....that is what gives him his distinctive sound. It was interesting to discover this realization with Oldfield because that places him into another world.


Posted By: Nov
Date Posted: November 07 2011 at 17:13
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The live version of TB3 at Horse Guards Parade is another of my favourites.

I went to that concert.

It rained and rained and rained and rained and, er, rained. At one point everything cut out (or was it just the lights?) and I thought that must be it but then it all kicked in again.

Towards the end, when they played stuff like Family Man, I went down the front and found myself next to Richard Branson Big smile

The bass player that night was Carrie Melbourne, wife of Doug Melbourne, the keyboard player in top UK tribute band, ReGenesis Wink


Posted By: Nov
Date Posted: November 07 2011 at 17:18
I have one absolute stand-out Mike Oldfield album and that's:

The Songs Of Distant Earth

To be honest, I'm not really much of a fan of his but that album is just beautiful from start to finish and actually the whole family loves it. We used to play it in the car coming back from places in the dark and the kids loved it - now they play it by choice.

Lovely stuff Wink






Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 01:38
Originally posted by Nov Nov wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The live version of TB3 at Horse Guards Parade is another of my favourites.

I went to that concert.

It rained and rained and rained and rained and, er, rained. At one point everything cut out (or was it just the lights?) and I thought that must be it but then it all kicked in again.

Towards the end, when they played stuff like Family Man, I went down the front and found myself next to Richard Branson Big smile

The bass player that night was Carrie Melbourne, wife of Doug Melbourne, the keyboard player in top UK tribute band, ReGenesis Wink
Doug is a lucky man!


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 01:40
Originally posted by Nov Nov wrote:

I have one absolute stand-out Mike Oldfield album and that's:

The Songs Of Distant Earth

To be honest, I'm not really much of a fan of his but that album is just beautiful from start to finish and actually the whole family loves it. We used to play it in the car coming back from places in the dark and the kids loved it - now they play it by choice.

Lovely stuff Wink




one of my favourites as well and one of the best 'through the headphones' recordings I've ever come across



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