A dramatic turn of events
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Topic: A dramatic turn of events
Posted By: Believil
Subject: A dramatic turn of events
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 03:43
| I think that it's a great album, great composition and transitions, excelent Jordan Rudess with his magic fingers and of course, great recording of guitars like always, excelent vocal stems, songs like Bridges in the sky will be contemporanean classics. In my reflexion to Mike Mangini, after listening the album many times, I think that his work in the album was perfect and correct, no more and no less. What do you think? |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 03:45
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I think there has to be a thread about this already. Allso wrong section welcome to PA btw ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 03:46
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A few previous here http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80958&KW=A+dramatic+turn+of+events&PID=4272801#4272801" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80958&KW=A+dramatic+turn+of+events&PID=4272801#4272801 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78876&KW=A+dramatic+turn+of+events&PN=4" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78876&KW=A+dramatic+turn+of+events&PN=4
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 03:48
Welcome aboard  , and this thread moved.
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Posted By: Believil
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 03:59
| Oh ok! thank you! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 04:01
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I have played it once since buying it. I think that tells a lot. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Believil
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 04:11
| Give it another chance! it will not disappoint you, haha |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 04:26
It already has. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Believil wrote:Posted By: Believil
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 04:36
| Many people says, "When I need to listen the album many times to feel It, are something wrong"... But, i'm with the people that enjoy discovering the new albums till enjoy with it, I would erase from my mind the album "Dark Side Of The Moon" to feel again the extasis!! hehe |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 05:09
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An Undramatic Continuation of the Last 10 Years would have been a better title, and perfectly sums up why I dont like DT these days, though I still greatly enjoy there early albums. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005  |
Posted By: Believil
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 05:14
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hehe, it's really hard do something new when the ingredients works finally. Many classic fans love early years, but in the last years the band has managed to bring along many more. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 05:29
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What many people can't stand about DT is the thing that I love about them. If I buy a car I want the best car that I can possibly get for my money - the same goes for me when I listen to musicians. If I have a favorite guitarist I want that guitarist to be able to outplay most if not all of his opposition and I want him to prove it.
Prog music undoubtably holds probably the best musicians in the world relating to their instruments and that is one of the primary reasons that I am drawn to prog. Sure songwriting is important and, to me, melody and the dramatic are very important. I want music to take me on a trip when I listen to it.
People can argue all they like about Dream Theater and their dislike or liking of them but one factor stands head and shoulders beyond anything else relating to them - they can play and they do.
So - while some are crying, shouting and yowling about how much they hate DT I'm smiling while I watch finger blistering passages that many instrumentalists would find virtually impossible to emulate.
The one thing that the haters cannot deny is the ability of the different members of DT and if they deny them then my smile kinda broadens a lot as I know better - way better.
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Posted By: Believil
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 05:42
Musically never doubt to DT, and I'll wait for album after album with the same feeling and nervousness. 
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 06:14
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Better than their last one, but that's not saying much ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Redug
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 08:38
| Breaking All Illusions was the only track I liked. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 11:25
| Amazing album. Their best in a long time. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 11:37
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The best, most consistent album they've had in a while, and best overall album since Scenes From A Memory or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
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Posted By: daslaf
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 11:49
That's far to be true ------------- But now my branches suffer And my leaves don't bear the glow They did so long ago |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 12:21
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^ In terms of raw technical ability; there are jazz, flamenco, and classical musicians that would make most prog musicians pee their pants In my opinion, DT are one of the exceptions. Petrucci, Myung, Portnoy, Sherinian, Rudess and Mangini are all some of the most skilled musicians around today. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 12:26
I wish that were true. Or at least I wish I could agree with you. To me it is their least appealing since Octavarium ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 12:50
I actually like Octavarium as well. It's a little inconsistent, but the weaker songs work in the context of the album. It's their last 2 albums that are slightly hit or miss; more hit though, especially on the last album. You only listened to ADTOE once? You should listen a couple more times. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 12:52
| Meh. Octavarium has the title track (which is one of my favourite songs ever), Sacrificed Sons, and The Root of All Evil for great songs. But then you got just a bunch of average-bad songs. I find I Walk Beside You, Panic Attack, and Never Enough to be amongst their worst songs. Just my opinion though. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 12:57
I agree with you, though I don't consider Panic Attack or Never Enough some of their worst, they're just not as good as other songs. I think These Walls is one of the better ones too, seeing that you missed that one. I just like the transitions between the tracks, which is not something you usually get on a DT album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 13:40
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Its an above average album for me. Songs like Outcry, This Is the Life are very boring...Even hearing Outcry live I found my mind wandering. On the Backs of Angels is decent at best......Bridges In the Sky, Build Me Up and Breaking All Illusions are the best in that order for me.
Its a so-so album with Scenes, SDoIT and ToT much better to me. Maybe the next one will hit on all cylinders with Mangini on site to contribute more, rather than via email only. -------------   
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 13:48
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I must admit I haven't even listened to the thing yet. Really must get round to doing so. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 14:01
Love DT, but this just isn't true. Some of the most skilled ROCK musicians ok sure, but not even close to your Classical.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 14:03
Well it's not mine. It's everyone's. I was just talking about raw ability. Sure, plenty of jazz and classical musicians can do things that the DT guys cannot do. But the difference in ability between jazz / classical musicians and most prog musicians is pretty big. And Ive heard Rudess, Pretrucci and Myung pull off jazz and classical stuff in the past, so it is not too beyond their reach. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 14:36
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 08 2011 at 19:42
I disagree fully here. I think a lot of "classical" musicians get undue props in technical prowess just because they play "Classical" music. Sure, there are some people that can shred a classical guitar up; anyone who can play Barrios' La Catedral: Allegro Solemne, for example, but Petrucci can easily hang with and even surpass the vast majority of them with his own technical ability. Classical musicians usually have a more disciplined technique than "rock" guitarists, but as someone who played classical guitar before ever getting into prog, I have to support Mr. Petrucci here. |
Posted By: Believil
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 02:50
| Dream Theater have Jordan Rudess, a musician like him... the rest of the band is forced to do amazing things. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 03:10
Jazz, Flamenco and classical musicians would stand up to the abilities of Carlos Santana, Hendrix, Vai, Petrucci, Trower, Gary Moore, Blackmore, Rudess, Emmerson, Bruford, Portnoy, etc etc uuuuummmmmm no!
Maybe in terms of their own specific genre yes but in terms of pure technical ability not a snowball hope in a volcano. It's been done and tried - who remembers Sky? J Williams vs any number of Rock and Prog guitarists (say Hackett) and I know who I would vote for and it aint the classical boy. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 03:55
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^ When you walk down the street, does a blistering legato Petrucci solo pop into your head note for note or like the rest of us, do you find yourself whistling a much simpler but naggingly resilient melody? I'm not undermining your passionate regard for the technical abilities of DT but does music have to be hard to play or remember before you can allow yourself to enjoy it?
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 04:25
Walking down the road I'm kind of drawn to the melodies from the latest Anubis album lately, sometimes to old Genesis, the Haken albums that I got into recently, old Uriah Heep etc
 When I want to be blown away I spool up a Dream Theater live dvd and sit with my mouth hanging open - lol.
When I'm driving then there are a few Golden Earring numbers I enjoy.
When I want to mellow out - Hogarth era Marillion, Camel, Focus etc.
Different courses for different occasions I guess.
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 05:15
Petrucci solos have always stuck in my head really well... I can "mouth guitar" most DT albums all the way through, especially the solos. |
Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 06:45
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 10:52
You guys are missing the point. I'm not comparing the DT guys to any other musicians in other genres. I'm just saying the level of technical skill between them and other musicians is not a huge difference compared to other prog musicians ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Believil
Date Posted: November 10 2011 at 02:39
| I think sometimes we confuse the technique with musicality, the technique for a musician is like reading for a writer, their knowledge of technique and the instrument will help to express yourself with your music, and with technique find your musicalit. the skill is not only for skill the music, the skill is for get more ways and colours hue in your musical expression. |
Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 10 2011 at 04:35
Correct. In terms of technical ability he's better. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: April 06 2012 at 23:30
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Well, back to the topic, there's a couple of things I like to point out: 1- breathing space. It's evident that Rudess had more input and stop been a hired gun to play fancy solos. Now he is back to back with Petrucci in composition matters and even Myung is more audible. 2- Labrie's home. It is nice to hear an entire album wrote on his key tone and he sounds really great, especially in the ballads. I think it was good for them to have that space away from Portnoy, though I wonder how would be the input of Mangini if he was aloud to compose with them. Guess we'll have to wait Still... ------------- |