Dream Theater
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Topic: Dream Theater
Posted By: Philrod
Subject: Dream Theater
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 04:09
Just wanted to know the overall feel on this site. I personally think they are overrated, even though I like them, but I can't stand James Labrie  . Petrucci Myung and Portnoy are a great three IMO. Rudess is ok.------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Philrod/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 06:19
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Let's see ... their best albums have average ratings of 4.42, 4.36 and 4.35. I fail to see why that should mean they're overrated. By the way: How can anything be OVERRATED? Let the people decide ... and they have decided. I don't think that the 5 star reviews by fanboys cause an album to be overrated either, because you quickly get an equal amount of 1 star reviews by people who want to rectify the rating. In fact, this even causes the album to be underrated ((1 + 5) / 2 = 3. If the fanboy had rated it 4 stars, that might not have caused the "countervote"). I think that the current ranking algorithm properly addresses the problems ... Train Of Thought was overrated (top ten), and is now IMO properly rated (not even in the top 100 anymore). Octavarium is currently at position 29, and it is likely to drop further (because I think that I agree with the public opinion that it is a 4 star album, and the average rating should settle somewhere around 3.9-4.0).
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 06:27
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Whether you like LaBrie or not shouldn't affect your rating. If you think that he's a bad singer, it should affect the rating ... but he is not. His technique, range and phrasing are excellent, it's just a matter of personal taste if you like his voice or not. I think that the ability to separate personal taste and objective analysis of the music is vital to writing good reviews. I try myself, but it isn't always easy. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Philrod wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 06:37
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I've voted for correct reputation, although I'm not sure what it really means. I'm sure that they are overated by some, but if one really loves something thats how it is. Also I am sure people undreate them too, i'll shut up now. No wait, I agree with what Mike says also! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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) my love of ELP was the same!Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 15:34
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Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 17:45
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Another useless and stupid thread ------------- [IMG]http://www.travelwithachallenge.com/Images/Travel_Article_Library/Sacred-Travel/Machu-Picchu-350.jpg"> [IMG]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/panchopc1/machupicchu-1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 18:32
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Dream Theater is one of my favourite bands. Ha! |
Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 04:56
Thats exactky why I dont review dream theater, because I cant be objective! Labrie just pisses me off, because for me he ruins the experience. He has great skills, but tries too much to be emotional... But anyways this is why I don't review dream theater... even if I adore the rythm section, especially Mike Portnoy... as a bassist myself it's pretty easy to see that Myung can forget what the bass is all about. As Dave Mustaine puts it from some guitarists he heard: Their skills are pretty amazing, but they desperately need ''rock class 101''! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Philrod/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small">
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Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 05:19
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Dt's biggest problem is portnoy. Hes been playing the same roles since he joined dream theater. Learn some new rudiments for godsakes . He's a good guy and a great player but hes not on par with the other guys.Put mike mangini in there...... yea that guy is off the wall good.  Step aside mike! |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 07:51
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Correct reputation. "Overrated" is a term people use when a band they dislike is getting more attention than their favourite band. "Underrated" is what they call their band. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 08:01
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I take it you mean "rolls", not "roles". Anyway, Mike Portnoy is an exceptional drummer. If you want to hear his creative side, check out his playing with Transatlantic, or Neal Morse, or Liquid Tension Experiment. BTW: His style in DT is also far from standard drumming. Of course, you have to listen carefully to hear it. Finally, about Mike Mangini: He's quite good, but Virgil Donati smokes him in a pipe ... Watch Steve Vai's Live At The Astoria, the drum solo in particular, and listen to Vai's commentary. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 09:36
| overrated on music forums...underrated by the media. |
Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 13:39
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in my opinion DT will always be one of the best prog metal bands and
nobody can say that they aren't. the problem is that prog metal is NOT
based only on DT and there are so many bands out there which deserve
our attention and support. ------------- 
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 14 2005 at 02:35
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OK they are a great group with magnificent songs but i canīt stand it when all their albums are considered as prog clasics. Why some guys canīt stand the fact that some albums are simply good (falling into infinity, six degrees) or even uninspired (train of thought(a great metal album but far from progressive)). No band can have only highlights anyway. enjoy |
Posted By: Coya
Date Posted: July 14 2005 at 16:46
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 14 2005 at 16:49
| Correct Reputation |
Posted By: Coya
Date Posted: July 14 2005 at 16:55
Even though objectivity is very important, subjectivity is the escence of any opinion, and a review a very opinion-like analysis. Of course that one should point the musician's talent, but if you don't like it, it's over, you cannot give him a good qualification because it does not fullfill you completely; and that is exactly what subjectivity determines. Don't missunderstand me, objectivity is VERY important and necesary, but you cannot (and IMO should not) try to leave subjectivity, it's what makes a review (or an opinion) YOURS. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 14 2005 at 17:52
You have a point there ... but the importance of subjectivity IMO depends on what you are reviewing: If you review Opeth vocals, your verdict will be entirely subjective. I could also be wrong about this, but there is really no point of reference that you could use to objectively rate Mikael's growls. If you review LaBrie's vocals, you have many objective criteria for that type of singing - phrasing, range, tremolo/vibrato, breathing ... and he does all that very well. I guess that even if you really don't like his VOICE, you still have to admit that he's a good singer. His TECHNIQUE is flawless. So while you are free to rate Opeth vocals anywhere from 1 to 5 stars, IMO LaBrie can only be rated in the range of 3 to 5 stars, IF the reviewer want's to be taken seriously. It's either 3 stars (good singer, but I hate his voice), 4 stars (good singer, but not my favorite) or 5 stars (brilliant singer, my all time favorite). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: ShaunoNoNo
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 03:17
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I gave them 'correct reputation', because they're a bunch of talented musicians, maybe over-rated by some, but you'll get that with almost every band. ------------- 
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Posted By: Coya
Date Posted: July 18 2005 at 14:18
Absolut agreement. I like waht you posted because you make the point with "objectivity" just as i made mine with "subjectivity" (or at least I think I did). So, in my opinion, a good combination of both criteria would be optimal. Greetings MikeEnRegalia (and everyone else too!) |
Posted By: bityear
Date Posted: July 18 2005 at 19:51
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As have been pointed out already, there's too much feelings about Dream
Theater. They are so big that there are a huge bunch of diehard fans
following them, and that's all right, but when people tell me that I
can't deny something or that I have to admit something else, I get kind
of bugged. As you may have noticed in some other posts, I'm a rabid
LaBrie hater, and I'd like to say you can't deny that he's an awful
singer, but what the heck, I guess I am quite unfair. I voted for overrated, anyway. Besides LaBrie, I don't think Portnoy is technical enough to compete with monsters like Virgil Donati (which Portnoy himself has admitted, btw) but he's perfectly suited for bands like LTE and Transatlantic, where he can leave those metal cliches behind and let his imagination flow. I never liked Myung, despite being a bass player myself. Technique without feeling. Petrucci is a blast from hell, though! Great tone, very diverse playing - when he's NOT in DT. Same goes for Rudess, a fantastic player, but what does he do in a pure metal band? He proves his skills on his solo records and with LTE. Then again, Dream Theater ARE a good band. Especially Octavarium.  But, they lock themselves up in their genre. The 70's flirting on Octavarium is cool, though - but wasn't that Transatlantic's thing??  ------------- www.geocities.com/joelbitars |
Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 15:24
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As a Yes/Genesis/ELP/Pink Floyd loving casual DT fan, I will say that they deserve all the positive hype they get. They aren't the most creative group around, but they play phenomenally well, and with feeling, too. (see: Surrounded).
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 16:14
Soooo true ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 18:27
Valarius in a moment of lucidity... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |