John Zorn or Fred Frith?
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Topic: John Zorn or Fred Frith?
Posted By: Anthony H.
Subject: John Zorn or Fred Frith?
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:33
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Both are avant-garde giants who have collaborated extensively in the past. Which do you prefer?
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:40
| Zorny Zorn Zorn |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:42
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You could certainly compile a sizeable collection based solely on the output of these two. Went with Frith. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:48
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Have to go with Frith, even though Zorn has many many homeruns in his discog. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:48
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I like a lot of Zorn, but know and like much more Frith. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:50
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Fred for having known the best over the years. Just got my first three self titled Zorns this year. I was reluctant to try more Zorn after his 50th thingy with Frith, but then I was browsing at my local independent record store because a mail order had failed to arrive in a timely fashion. I started at the rock Zs. Wahoo looked intriguing but was pricey. Went through all the rock and came across a couple of reissues I was kind of interested in but said, nah, maybe and moved on. So next I hit the jazz section. I swear I go all the way from A to Z there and nothing really excites me. I make it to Z and there's several recent Zorns. They are all on Tzadic and have written information blurbs about the album in a little insert at the spine. So I'm thinking hmmm. And I read them and the one for The Dreamers sounded really intriguing: "Continuing in the tradition of his popular album The Gift, Zorn again combines a lifetime of musical passions—world music, movie soundtracks, jazz, minimalism, exotica, funk, surf rock and more—to create a vibrant and multifaceted album of instrumental fairy tales. Masterfully performed by the all-star players from Electric Masada, The Dreamers is a project of breathtaking variety and will attract listeners of all backgrounds and ages. Bathed in a lush package created by the acclaimed artist and exclusive Tzadik graphic designer Chippy, and accompanied by a sheet of collectable character stickers, The Dreamers is one of Zorn’s most beautiful and appealing projects. Seductive lyricism, hypnotic grooves, catchy hooks and romantic moods from this genre-bashing master of surprise." So I get to the truck and immediately pull off the shrink wrap and pop it in. It was one of those make your day music moments. Totally clicked. 
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:53
Have you heard The Gift? I highly recommend it. ------------- |
Slartibartfast wrote:Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:57
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No, but I'm interested in it already. I'm also considering the new Christmas album. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:58
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This track is spectacular: ------------- |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:03
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Frith because Zorn gets on my nerves. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:07
| Frith |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:16
| Zorn has too much elevator material for me, whereas I love everything Frith has done |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:20
I like Zorn's elevator material better than his sax strangling stuff. OK then, a Frith off... One I really like: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/FredFrith_AlbumCover_TechnologyTears%281988%29.jpg" rel="nofollow">  heard, not heard, like or not if so? Decided to give this one a spin though: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/SkeletonCrew_AlbumCover_CountryBlinds.jpg" rel="nofollow">  I had the good fortune of seeing the Crew play live in Atlanta for two shows.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:27
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Henry Cow is really the furthest I've gone with Frith, so I don't know which to choose.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:47
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 19:00
Herd?  Frith for me, easily. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 19:35
What of Frith turns you on? Eno was my entre into Frith. Before And After Science in particular. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 19:48
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Wow. I didn't expect such a raping.
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 20 2011 at 04:16
| Looks like I'm in the minority here.... Did not expect that |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: November 20 2011 at 04:57
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Another vote from Frith I'm afraid. I find Zorn's projects to be interesting for twenty minutes or so at a time, but they've never held my attention for an entire album. Mind you, that Dreamers album does look/sound intriguing. As for Frith - superb improviser, incomparable composer. He's in another league altogether! |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: November 20 2011 at 05:16
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John Zorn!!!!
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: November 20 2011 at 14:41
| Fred F. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: November 20 2011 at 15:11
| BILL LASWELL. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 20 2011 at 16:15
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Jeremy Webster 'Fred' Frith gets my vote. I've got a lot by both of them, and in some ways I like them equally - both innovative on their instruments but not virtuosos, both equally at home with free improv or fully scored compositions, both effortless genre hoppers - but I almost always enjoy Fred Frith, whereas Zorn is far more hit and miss for me. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 07:42
I think his solo stuff is much more interesting and entertaining than the HC stuff. You should check out "Gravity" to start with. I really don't know who to choose here though. I listen to Frith more but I love both so much. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 21:21
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