Tull without Martin Barre
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Topic: Tull without Martin Barre
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Subject: Tull without Martin Barre
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 18:41
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With the latest gossip saying that Martin Barre may not play with Tull again. The question begs: Should Tull cease to be if Martin is no longer in the band? |
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 19:05
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It would be like Yes without a Squire.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 19:08
| In truth, Jethro Tull is Ian Anderson... but Martin Barre has (almost) always been part of the project. I guess in the end Anderson will do whatever he wants to do with the Jethro Tull name. However, if Jethro Tull would tour again, without Martin Barre, I would be rather disapointed at not getting the chance to hear Jethro Tull with Barre (I have not yet attended any Jethro Tull concert, and have been thinking about doing so if they tour again). |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 19:39
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No. Ian is the main man, even if Barre has been there for like 97% of JT's existance.
To me it's like KC and Fripp. Doesn't matter who is in the band, as long as Fripp is still there. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 19:43
| I saw them live without Barre once and didn't feel like asking for my money back. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 20:16
Well said.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Man With Hat wrote:Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 20:57
Agreed. Not to disrespect Martin, of course. -------------  |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 21:23
I saw them without Martin twice and didn't feel like asking for my money back too.  ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 21:26
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I won't support Tull without Barre, so I picked the first option. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 22:17
| Is quite simple. Even Ian Anderson said it once "No Martin Barre, No Jethro Tull" |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 22:24
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Tull without Barre? I'm still irritated that Barrimore Barlow and John Evan left Tull. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 22:38
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No, but it would be a very different Tull. Ian Anderson once said that if it were not for Martin, Tull would not have been. I take that to mean that Tull would not have lasted much beyond This Was, Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus (with the timely presence of Tony Iommi) aside. Anderson may be numero uno, but Barre has also been a vital force. No one can replace Martin, but I am wondering who might step in. Any rumors on that? ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 00:23
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Why rumors? Florian Opahle usually plays with Ian: http://j-tull.com/musicians/florianopahle/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://j-tull.com/musicians/florianopahle/index.html .
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 00:24
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Florian Opahle? That's the rumour. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 00:34
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Barre give Tull a certain quality that makes them Tull, that fact is undeniable. Now whether they should cease if he leaves, that's debatable.
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 10:13
Agree with this. As much as I love Martin Barre, the band is really Ian Anderson. A year ago I probably would have said no way, but after seeing Ian live on his solo tour and how well the Tull songs were done, I'd have to say that Tull can survive without Martin Barre.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 10:41
What about Abrahams' return? ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 11:50
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By the way, we talk like Tull already fired Martin, but on the band's website tours announced as Ian Anderson's ones, not a single word of Jethro Tull tour: http://j-tull.com/tourdates/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://j-tull.com/tourdates/index.html . Ian Anderson - 2011 Ian Anderson "Thick as a Brick" Tour - 2012 ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 12:09
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^ Good point. Anderson could easily have gone out and toured as Tull without Barre, but chose not to, and he owns all of the rights. Barre is an essential part of the band. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 14:03
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^ Barre is an important part of the band, but with or without him (I saw both live) the band sounds like JT. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:06
Barre makes much the same point on his own website - the TAAB tour is Ian Anderson, not Tull. Personally I'd be happy to see Tull without Barre, but I'm not sure how I'd feel about new material without MB's input. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 15:21
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I'd be happy to see everything: JT with and without Barre and even Barre without JT.
Though TAAB tour without Martin looks strange. I guess there are reasons for this. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 17:38
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Tull without Martin is impossible. If it was possible, then Ian wouldn't have released any solo album. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 26 2011 at 21:43
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Ian Anderson is JT IMO. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: November 28 2011 at 09:30
| Martin is important, but like many of you have pointed it out....It's Ian Anderson's Band. And Ian will do whatever he wants to do. |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 04:08
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I am surprised at the results of this poll that I put up. I think this poll shows that PA has a lot of Tull supporters but few fanatics. No true Tull fan would even contemplate Martin out of Tull. It would NOT be Tull. In fact, I only go and see Tull these days to listen to Martin.....as I did back in May this year. Anderson's vocals have become embarrasing and unfortunately over the past decade Tull (or at least IA) has turned themselves (himself ) into a self-tribute (one-man) band. No wonder Martin is exploring other musical paths. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 05:44
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Without Ian Anderson the band would cease to exist but everyone else is replaceable. Love Barre however over other choices ------------- 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 09:26
This is exactly what I meant. At this moment in time, Jethro Tull is mainly a project of Ian Anderson, not a band as it used to be, and he'll take any musician available when he decides to tour (you can read this on the J-Tull website), since they have not recorded in over a decade. Granted, is his brand name so he can do whatever he wants, and indeed he always chooses very good musicians, but Martin Barre is simply irreplaceable. Ian can bring great guitarists who emulate Martin's sound and do a decent job at it ( just like Benoit David is doing with Yes, replacing Jon Anderson), but no matter how good they are, they are not Martin Barre, who has a very orchestral approach to his playing, and creates a very unique and personal sound to Jethro Tull's music.
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Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 09:27
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Considering the fact that Ian Anderson has absolutely no voice left (I've seen Tull twice over the last 4-5 years or so, the last time was 2 years ago), they should probably cease regardless of Martin Barre's presence in the band.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 18:36
| I guess it would be more enjoyable to se a concert with both Anderson and Martin Barre, but with Andrson only playing flute. Whether it was an instrumental project, or if Ian Anderson got some othe singer to help with vocals... I mean, if he can't sing anymore, but can play the flute wonderfully and has music many of us really want to hear. |
Posted By: G. Bostock
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 19:52
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I agree very much with barry glibb on Jethro Tull as being Ian's "Brand" as much as Ians band. Tull will never be the same
Without Martin but they will tour again without Martin or Doanne Perry I think. Ian has spent two years warming up Florian Ophale and James Duncan (his son) in the Ian Anderson solo tours. Get ready for another reincarnation of Tull. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 22:30
Agreed!!! Too bad Ian Anderson doesn't see it that way and prefers touring, and destroying whatever is left of his vocal chords in the process, than recording an album, so I guess any further guitarist he brings, will only emulate Martin's playing, instead of bringing his input on any new material.
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 03:34
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Manuel you are so spot on. |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 06:27
Definitely. Saw Ian with these guys as his back up band and the Tull material was very good. I'm a huge Tull fan and a huge Martin Barre fan, but the reality is that Tull has always been Ian Anderson and other musicians. As huge a part Martin has been to the band, it's all about Ian-he'll do what ever he decides he wants to do. That said it would be neat to see a Tull with Anderson on flute and some vocals, Martin on guitar and an additional singer to help out since Ian's voice is about shot.
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 16:27
Agreed as well. As Ian once said 'Too old to rock 'n roll, too young to die'. I don't think he wants to admit the voice is gone. JT should get an Ian voice clone singer and let Ian concetrate on the flute and acoustic guitar. Oh yeah, I'd really miss Barre's classy playing too. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 18:43
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Shame Martin might be leaving, but one should keep an eye out for his future projects, particularly the band he's trying to put together with David Pegg and 'another Tullist, that will apparently perform less popular Tull tunes. For those interested, http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/interviewmartinbarre2011.htm" rel="nofollow - here's an interview with Martin where he talks about Tull and upcoming plans. ------------- Property of Queen Productions... 
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Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 02:30
| What a laugh - Tull has only ever existed in the mind of Ian Anderson. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 02:38
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They can do whatever they want - they are the artists - we are the listners - and we are then free to listen to whatever we desire too. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: DiamondDog
Date Posted: December 21 2011 at 11:01
| Jethro Tull IS Ian Anderson, nobody else matters a toss. |