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Topic: 169 or 147?
Posted By: refugee
Subject: 169 or 147?
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:35
Two different calculations:

  342
 -173
=169

  342
 -173
=147

So which one do you prefer?


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I say nothing is nothing
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Replies:
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:40
Err, the correct one? 


Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:44
They are both correct.

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I say nothing is nothing
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:47
147.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:49
Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

They are both correct.
 
In that case I vote for the one which is most correct: 169.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:51
Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

They are both correct.


How so? I might be missing something, I was never great at maths, but still...


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:52
I vote for this as the strangest pool i'we seen so far

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:53
i have seen stranger pools

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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:58
"Base eight is just like base ten really Ė if youíre missing two fingers."

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 08:59
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

They are both correct.


How so? I might be missing something, I was never great at maths, but still...

You don't have to be great at maths to know the answer.


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:00
Is it any wonder the Greek economy is in the situation it is with math like that? LOLWink

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:00
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Is it any wonder the Greek economy is in the situation it is with math like that? LOLWink

LOL


Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:06
Iím not Greek, and as far as I know the Norwegian economy is quite strong.

Have a look at this:

http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/t/tomlehrer3903/newmath185502.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/t/tomlehrer3903/newmath185502.html


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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
(Peter Hammill)


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:11
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

They are both correct.


How so? I might be missing something, I was never great at maths, but still...

You don't have to be great at maths to know the answer.


You know it was a metaphor meaning to say I was rubbish at maths and I actually do need explaining to get it. Wink

I'll let you guys have a bit more fun then I'll be waiting to be enlightened. :P I suppose it's all about "reading" it not like a subtraction but something else (which would explain the possibly eccentric position of the minus), but I don't know any other way to read it.


Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:28
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

I vote for this as the strangest pool i'we seen so far


Thanks! That was my goal with the poll!

Actually, I was inspired by all the Genesis/Yes/Rush polls weíve seen recently, and even more by the Suggestions thread in Just For Fun.

@Alex: Itís a song by Tom Lehrer. Itís called New Math, and I posted a link to the lyrics in my last post.


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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:58
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

They are both correct.


How so? I might be missing something, I was never great at maths, but still...

You don't have to be great at maths to know the answer.


You know it was a metaphor meaning to say I was rubbish at maths and I actually do need explaining to get it. Wink

I'll let you guys have a bit more fun then I'll be waiting to be enlightened. :P I suppose it's all about "reading" it not like a subtraction but something else (which would explain the possibly eccentric position of the minus), but I don't know any other way to read it.

It's addition/subtraction in base 8, which means the only "numbers" you have available to you are 0 through 7.

So in base 8, 7+1=0, 7+2=1, 7+3=2, etc.

You can google modulo arithmetic to learn more.


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:59
Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

Iím not Greek, and as far as I know the Norwegian economy is quite strong.

Have a look at this:

http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/t/tomlehrer3903/newmath185502.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/t/tomlehrer3903/newmath185502.html
OK, I was just basing my comment on your location.  I probably have read before that you weren't from Greece, but just forgot.

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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:06
No problem! And Tom Lehrer is American, by the way Ö

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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:28
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

They are both correct.


How so? I might be missing something, I was never great at maths, but still...

You don't have to be great at maths to know the answer.


You know it was a metaphor meaning to say I was rubbish at maths and I actually do need explaining to get it. Wink

I'll let you guys have a bit more fun then I'll be waiting to be enlightened. :P I suppose it's all about "reading" it not like a subtraction but something else (which would explain the possibly eccentric position of the minus), but I don't know any other way to read it.

It's addition/subtraction in base 8, which means the only "numbers" you have available to you are 0 through 7.

So in base 8, 7+1=0, 7+2=1, 7+3=2, etc.

You can google modulo arithmetic to learn more.


Thanks Pat. I've never heard of this.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:32
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

They are both correct.


How so? I might be missing something, I was never great at maths, but still...

You don't have to be great at maths to know the answer.


You know it was a metaphor meaning to say I was rubbish at maths and I actually do need explaining to get it. Wink

I'll let you guys have a bit more fun then I'll be waiting to be enlightened. :P I suppose it's all about "reading" it not like a subtraction but something else (which would explain the possibly eccentric position of the minus), but I don't know any other way to read it.

It's addition/subtraction in base 8, which means the only "numbers" you have available to you are 0 through 7.

So in base 8, 7+1=0, 7+2=1, 7+3=2, etc.

You can google modulo arithmetic to learn more.


Thanks Pat. I've never heard of this.

No problem.  Actually, I need to amend my example- it's 7+1=10, 7+2=11, etc.  Once it "overflows" you get another digit, just as in base 10, 7+3=10.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:42
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

They are both correct.


How so? I might be missing something, I was never great at maths, but still...

You don't have to be great at maths to know the answer.


You know it was a metaphor meaning to say I was rubbish at maths and I actually do need explaining to get it. Wink

I'll let you guys have a bit more fun then I'll be waiting to be enlightened. :P I suppose it's all about "reading" it not like a subtraction but something else (which would explain the possibly eccentric position of the minus), but I don't know any other way to read it.

It's addition/subtraction in base 8, which means the only "numbers" you have available to you are 0 through 7.

So in base 8, 7+1=0, 7+2=1, 7+3=2, etc.

You can google modulo arithmetic to learn more.


Thanks Pat. I've never heard of this.

You must have. Surely you have heard of binary? Which is base 2. I think. You can have a system of any base including letters.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:46
^ Never. As for binary, I always thought it is a language that works based on the positioning of 0 and 1 inside sequences, I didn't know it also allows operations. Maybe that's something else, not "binary"? 


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:47
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ Never. As for binary, I always thought it is a language that works based on the positioning of 0 and 1 inside sequences, I didn't know it also allows operations. Maybe that's something else, not "binary"? 

Nope you got it.


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:58
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ Never. As for binary, I always thought it is a language that works based on the positioning of 0 and 1 inside sequences, I didn't know it also allows operations. Maybe that's something else, not "binary"? 

Binary is just the base 2 representation of a number, with operations similar to what I described earlier.

For example, in binary 1+1=10.  10+10=100, and so on.


Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 11:11
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ Never. As for binary, I always thought it is a language that works based on the positioning of 0 and 1 inside sequences, I didn't know it also allows operations. Maybe that's something else, not "binary"? 

Binary is just the base 2 representation of a number, with operations similar to what I described earlier.

For example, in binary 1+1=10.  10+10=100, and so on.

Then there are bases greater than 10, like hexadecimal (base 16), where 9 + 1 = A.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 11:18
+1 to post count

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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 11:53
We also use a duodecimal system (base 12) every day: The calendar has 12 months, there are 12 hours on the clock face, we talk about dozens. I donít know if "The Twelve Days of Christmas" fits in here, though.

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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 12:04
Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:

 

Then there are bases greater than 10, like hexadecimal (base 16), where 9 + 1 = A.


The best example is probably a sexagesimal (60) system which we adopted from the Babylonians. You see remenints of it in our clocks and our measurement of angles. Though, our modernization of it still uses the arabic basic 10 system so it is not truly sexagesimal.




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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 12:08
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


You must have. Surely you have heard of binary? Which is base 2. I think. You can have a system of any base including letters.


You can. A base "n" system merely is a way of writing a number so that the digits read from right to left correspond to increasingly higher powers of your base.

For example, in base "n",

tuvwxyz

just corresponds to the number

t*(n^6)+u*(n^5)+v*(n^4)+w*(n^3)+x*(n^2)+y*(n)+z

The only problem is that you need n unique digits for the representation. Even using our alphabet, we only get 36 and that is still actually very unnatural to use. I only see really high order bases in mathematical proofs. I am not sure of any real application of them.


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 12:56
Hexadecimal is the largest base I've seen in real world applications.


Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 13:14
Hey, this is a poll! You forget to vote! LOL

Sorry, I forgot to vote myselfEmbarrassed. I pick 147, not because itís more "progressive" but because itís more unusual. And because 169 is in the lead right now.


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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 13:27
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:

 

Then there are bases greater than 10, like hexadecimal (base 16), where 9 + 1 = A.


The best example is probably a sexagesimal (60) system which we adopted from the Babylonians. You see remenints of it in our clocks and our measurement of angles. Though, our modernization of it still uses the arabic basic 10 system so it is not truly sexagesimal.



Interesting, I always thought the Babylonians used a base 12 system.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 16:36
147 = Smoke

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 18:18
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:


Interesting, I always thought the Babylonians used a base 12 system.


As far as I know they never used a 12, the Sumerians handed the system down to them when the Babylonians came into prominence. I'm not sure if eventually that was phased out for a base 12, but that seems unlikely.


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 19:52
Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

Hey, this is a poll! You forget to vote! LOL

Sorry, I forgot to vote myselfEmbarrassed. I pick 147, not because itís more "progressive" but because itís more unusual. And because 169 is in the lead right now.


I voted 169 because base 8 is silly.


Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 23:37
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

i have seen stranger pools
 
 
I was too lazy to find the links but I remember pitting the letters A and O against each other and also asking who would win a fight between a bear and octopus.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 01:13
The answer is, and has always been, 42.

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