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Topic: Goodman vs. Cross vs. Ponty
Posted By: Gandalff
Subject: Goodman vs. Cross vs. Ponty
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 04:13
There are three essential Prog/Fusion violinists. I cannot responsibly judge who's the best. Can you help me?

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 06:51
Ponty
Goodman
Cross
Ponty and Goodman close, Cross a distant third.  Cross didn't do anything outside of King Crimson did he?  Goodman loses a point for those new agey albums even though I do like them.  Gains a point back for playing in the Dregs.  I do think his Mahavishu Orchestra work might be better than Ponty's.  Still if you compare solo to solo, Ponty comes out ahead.


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Posted By: spknoevl
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 07:46
Don't forget Steven Kindler, who played with Jan Hammer and the Mahavishnu Orchestra.
 
I'm a big Ponty fan, so I have to go with the Frenchmen.  He is such an identifiable soloist and a pretty good composer.


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 08:25
Of those, Goodman, then Ponty then Cross a long way behind.
 
But the best violinist is Charles O'Connor - prog folk fusion with the mighty Horslips.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 08:57
Cross was certainly a good fit for Crimson at the time.  I can't imagine Ponty or Goodman in that role.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 09:40
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Ponty
Goodman
Cross
Ponty and Goodman close, Cross a distant third.  Cross didn't do anything outside of King Crimson did he?  Goodman loses a point for those new agey albums even though I do like them.  Gains a point back for playing in the Dregs.  I do think his Mahavishu Orchestra work might be better than Ponty's.  Still if you compare solo to solo, Ponty comes out ahead.

Actually, David Cross has a band and a few CDs out, including a live recording. Quite good material if you as me, very King Crimson influenced, but has a lot of originality and inventiveness in his music.

All  three are very good violinists, but I will go for Ponty on this one, with the other two very close.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 10:22
Cross is still active?  Cool. i thought he had retired.  Always nice to see musicians who had dropped out get back in.


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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 10:49
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Cross is still active?  Cool. i thought he had retired.  Always nice to see musicians who had dropped out get back in.

Nothing's easier than seek this information on this site or elsewhere. I own two Cross solo albums, "Testing to Destruction" and "Exiles". Although they're not too much original, I rate them nevertheless over Ponty's solo albums, which seem quite cheesy to me. And now I'm freshly listening Goodman's early band The Flock. Time will tell...



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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 10:58
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Cross is still active?  Cool. i thought he had retired.  Always nice to see musicians who had dropped out get back in.

Nothing's easier than seek this information on this site or elsewhere. I own two Cross solo albums, "Testing to Destruction" and "Exiles". Although they're not too much original, I rate them nevertheless over Ponty's solo albums, which seem quite cheesy to me. And now I'm freshly listening Goodman's early band The Flock. Time will tell...


Well you have to know that there is something out there in order to seek it, don't you?


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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 12:15
Easy for me - Ponty hands down.

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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 12:15

I vote for Jerry Goodman, very cool player. Can be subtle, and maniacal.

Cross isn't really fusion. But then, that era of King Crimson was largely genre-less.



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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 13:15
I went with Goodman as well. Sugar Cane Harris came to mind when i saw it was about violinists.Oh and the girl from Indukti.

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 13:31
I prefer Jerry Goodman over Ponty and that says a lot because Ponty IS that good.  Cross fit nicely with King Crimson but is not in the same class as the other two.


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 13:35
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

I went with Goodman as well. Sugar Cane Harris came to mind when i saw it was about violinists.Oh and the girl from Indukti.
Well, but both aren't from Jazz Rock/Fusion genre.

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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 13:42
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Ponty
Goodman
Cross
Ponty and Goodman close, Cross a distant third.  Cross didn't do anything outside of King Crimson did he?  Goodman loses a point for those new agey albums even though I do like them.  Gains a point back for playing in the Dregs.  I do think his Mahavishu Orchestra work might be better than Ponty's.  Still if you compare solo to solo, Ponty comes out ahead.
Exactly! Cross had a few solo albums but thats it.
JL Ponty has a slew of albums that stand the test of time.....


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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 16:25
Ponty, although I do love Cross' work with Crimson.

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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 18:15
I pick Cross, but not because he was in KC, but because I just enjoy his playing and his approach to the violin more. I understand Jerry and Jean-Luc are definitely more acclaimed and celebrated, but I love David's emotional, gloomy, stark way of playing. My second choice would be Jean-Luc Ponty for sure.


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Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 18:18
Ponty.

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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 22:07
Ponty

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 02:17
Ponty for me

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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 03:10
Ponty


Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 06:01
Ponty for sure.



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