1969/2011 Crimsons or Der Graaf !
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Topic: 1969/2011 Crimsons or Der Graaf !
Posted By: trackstoni
Subject: 1969/2011 Crimsons or Der Graaf !
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 06:52
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both Active since 1969 , both have ( in my opinion ) more than four Masterpieces , and both have a 2011 new albums ! when i thought about this poll , it was only because i always refer & turn to their albums when i'm starved for the Good Music ! can you help me out by posting your opinion regarding this ! and thank you in advance ! ------------- Tracking Tracks of Rock |
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 07:08
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Neither, really.
Hamill's vocals completely turn me off VDGG and I find their music tends towards dissonant at times, though some of Banton's organ playing is sensational.
Crimson did a few good things but I really don't enjoy Fripp's guitar playing much.
The worst two of the major classic era bands for me. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Gentle Gryphon
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 08:34
| KC.. |
Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 08:46
| King Crimson, though Van Der Graaf Generator have made quite a few interesting albums recently. |
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 10:11
Love both but VDGG is far better ------------- You must be joking.....Take a running jump...... |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 10:26
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King Crimson for the consistency and overall more albums i enjoy. If i could include the first 4 Hammill albums then it would be more difficult. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 10:45
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KC ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 11:48
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Love both but KC has a better discography. VDGG wins as far as vocals and lyrics though. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 11:58
| Every KC are at least very great, I was listening to Beat yesterday, Wow what an album |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 12:05
| KC, easily. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 12:14
I agree.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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PabstRibbon wrote:Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 12:54
VdGG, but not easily. Two of my favourite bands. ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 13:17
Very good indeed. Much better than any ELP rubbish.  ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 13:27
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And of course the last true KC album so far was The Power to Believe. Overall I prefer KC, but both do have several masterpieces. I haven't heard the newest two Graaf albums, I'm just not that interested in them without Jackson.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 13:58
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Just today I've given a spin to Starless.... ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 14:05
KC definitely has a far more consistent discography, but they've never reached the peaks that have displayed on albums like Still Life, Godbluff and Pawn Hearts. ------------- 
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 15:16
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Van der Graaf Generator ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 15:52
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Van der Graaf Generator. King Crimson gave us Islands, VdGG gave us H to He, Godbluff and Still Life. ------------- 
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 15:54
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Band I don't enjoy at all vs. band I enjoy quite a bit. Easy vote for KC. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: February 18 2012 at 23:57
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Might be the next Yes vs Genesis! Tough call, but I vote King Crimson, even though I enjoy both. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 00:05
| VdGG is my favourite band, so that. |
Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 02:45
| I like some of the tracks on some of the KC albums a lot, but would rather play a VdGG album all the way through. |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 04:28
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VDGG it is
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 17:37
I'm not a huge ELP fan, but Emerson Lake & Palmer and Trilogy are both far better than any KC album.
Greg Lake knew exactly what he was doing when he jumped ship. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 14:08
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VdGG is my fave band, but Crimson is a pretty incredible institution. At the time of their early 80's reunion, I loved those three albums with the RF/BB/TL/AB lineup, and saw them live. Now, there's just something annoying to me about Adrian Belew's vox, they're just too self-consciously clever (sort of like David Byrne, who I do respect but am annoyed by at times). I never thought I'd say that about Elephant Talk (for instance) as it was one of the coolest tracks I'd ever heard at the time. Now, the vox kill it for me.
In fact, while Hammill's later vox (from about '75-on) hinder some people's enjoyment of VdGG's music, it's those very metal-like harsh vocals which push VdGG into the stratosphere for me. What balls; their music separates the men from the boys. Even on the metal-like Crimson albums I love (Larks, Starless, Red), they're just lacking a killer vocalist (Wetton was too reserved, he just didn't 'go for it' the way a guy like Hammill does) and Hammill's vox would have turned those Crim albums into prog-metal masterpieces.
So, VdGG for me, although I certainly respect and love some Crimson.
For a great idea of what these two institutions might sound like if they had merged, try "Disengage" from Fripp's Exposure album, It's that Red-era type of metal, but with Hammill's insane dementoid-metal vocals over the top (singing in a way that no Crimson vocalist ever could). Brilliant. Also, Tonk from the David Cross solo album has Crimson alumni Cross and Fripp with Hammill's great vox. Again, brilliant stuff. ------------- jc |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 14:11
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A lot depends on my mood and taste at the time. Now, I would probably go for Crimson, but that can change. What I will say is that I really have to be in the right mood to listen to either, and that can be a long time apart. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 15:24
| VdGG is without any doubt my favorite band, and I think they were alot more consistent than KC. However, there are few albums that can match the perfection of Islands for me. But one perfect album can't compete against all the amazing albums VdGG has given to us. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 15:32
I think you just dislike KC then. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: March 13 2012 at 18:13
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KC. -------------  
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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 01:40
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For me definetly VdGG. Although they released some albums that where not that great they are more or less my favourite band. Pawn Heart, Godbluff, Still Life, and H to He are masterpiece I enjoy since years over and over again. KC, although I tried listening over and over to their aclaimed albums, never gripped me in any way. There is something to their sound, their arrangemenst that turns me completely off. ------------- Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 05:36
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I'll vote for Crimson, as their overall output has been more varied over the years, but both bands are superb in their own right. both have produced albums in my top 10 of all time (Red & Still Life) ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: DiamondDog
Date Posted: March 14 2012 at 21:40
| Van Der Graaf could be inventive and interesting. But nothing they've done gets anywhere near that first Crimson album. |