Let's record some crap forum-people!
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Topic: Let's record some crap forum-people!
Posted By: stonebeard
Subject: Let's record some crap forum-people!
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 18:45
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I have my drum set miked and ProTools. Plus guitar and bass and keyboards. Let's collab and make music. Note for inexperienced: the Music does not necessarily have to be good in any way.  Saxes welcome Violins can go to hell.  (not really).This is not like a serious thing or anything, but if you play an instrument and have the ability to record, I'd love to just have fun with things.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 18:54
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Any particular style of thing you are looking for? I'm generally too lazy to come up with stuff, but if you give me something I could play it (say, a chord progression or whatever) Failing that I will just make a lot of racket with no structure whatsoever |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 19:02
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I'm fine with doing whatever. Free form might be interesting....wouldn't really feel inclined to edit and it would be about as organic as online recording can be. Just do whatever you want and send it along. I'll add in bits and see what happens. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 23:52
How's Russian Tea Cakes doing?  ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 07:13
Could be fun, but whenever I attempt to record my improv it kind of falls flat.  What I could contribute are electric guitar effects doodling, synth doodling, acoustic guitar doodling, and recently I've done some decent percussion on a sequencer doodling. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 07:50
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I can play banjo and Appalachian dulcimer. What it do. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 08:58
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I'm actually just started a little EP length project of post-metal with jazz inclinations...I might post the first sketch later today.
If one of you percussion type people would like to record a 3-4 minute rhythm bed based on an emotion. (I already did "Rage"), I would then use that and build from there.
Ideas are "Shame / Regret," "Lust," "Empathy"
If anyone is interested. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 10:38
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I don't have any professional recording equipment... but, keeping in mind that "the Music does not necessarily have to be good in any way", I can contribute some poorly recorded distorted piano (yep... Mike Oldfield style!) noodling (I taught myself to improvise). ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 10:56
I can play clarinet and record it with my iPhone. 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 11:48
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Pekka wrote:Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 12:30
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I don't play any instrument but I can deliver the vocals.
------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 15:16
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Alright I posted my sketch if anyone is interested in this kind of work... http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=537199&songID=11453092" rel="nofollow - http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=537199&songID=11453092 Yes same one as the other thread.
------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 21:21
Yup yup yup. Very interested. I dunno if you'll be satisfied with my interpretation, but if you could forward me that track in its highest fidelity with some composition notes for percussion, I'd be happy to track some stuff. Probably only drums set now, though. My Kontakt is all wonky and I don't know how to fix it yet. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 22:18
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I'd play you a little acoustic lo-fi diddy but I have no recording equipment.
------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 23:17
| I could do a remix of it. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 06:18
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If I don't get around to getting you anything quick enough, forum_posts.asp?TID=79281&KW=slartibartfast" rel="nofollow - - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79281&KW=slartibartfast" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79281&KW=slartibartfast ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 20:54
This is a bluesier sketch, a little more straightforward. Needs drums and maybe a lead element. Excuse the indulgent tapping cadenza in the bridge position.  http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11456256" rel="nofollow - http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11456256 ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 20:58
Great stuff! :45 is probably my favorite part! ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:40
I could perhaps try laying some drums on this when I'm done with my own stuff. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 14:14
That would be very cool. I'm putting in a little Steve Hackett-y volume pedal lead over this right now, and then I'll leave it be for awhile and move on. This project is meant to be encapsulated and not over-thought. I used to do these kinds of things all the time but I ended up getting obsessed with fixing things and fine tuning and end up losing my fire for the process.
I'll simply replace the mp3 online when I finish the lead part, hopefully in the next few days. Then on to the next one.
------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 25 2012 at 23:40
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Jay I got bored and I'm editing the drums on Rage. They're sounding better, but I might want to do some studio tricky to actually have a kick drum in there. It's sounding a lot better with some fixing up and compression. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 16:51
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Sent you an email...I like what I'm hearing so far. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 08:34
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I got the drum track imported and lined up. I'll be doing the remixing this afternoon so you can hear the result. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 19:48
Aww yeee. Oh yeah Colin I'm still thinking about what to do with the files you sent me. It's weird just getting chords. Now I have to be all creative and whatnot. grumble grumble. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 20:03
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Well I certainly wasn't going to be creative for you |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 02 2012 at 19:08
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Alright this is a mix of my track rage with drums courtesy of Stonebeard (Drew)...feel free to comment.
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11453092" rel="nofollow - http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11453092
Stonie, you interested in drumming on the bluesier track, sorrow?
------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 22:13
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Aaa yee. Sounds nice. Yeah I would be more interested. If it can wait a little bit, I'm looking to acquire a kick drum mic very soon, and It would seriously make the recording about 1000x better. And it will be anyway since I have a new interface and much better ability to EQ, comp, and edit the drums. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: TheJet
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 01:04
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I can play the knee slapper. :D No, but seriously I've got an acoustic guitar and I could get anything if I have some notes to play. |
Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 06:55
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Need a flute player? I could also lay down a bass track if necessary.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 10:46
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Spent my first session in a real pro studio last night. That will teach you where you're real and where you're faking it real quick. (My bass playing was actually really solid, but my singing was pretty weak) Pretty much knew where I stand as a guitarist.
Great fun. There is a significant difference in quality between even an experienced amateur like me and a real engineer. Our demo was quite simple, but it just sounds more "normal" rather than something somebody put together in their basement.
------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 13:01
This is very true. I luckily am in a studio almost every day of the week in some form or another, and both playing and watching others play teaches you a lot of lessons really quick. The biggest ones are: 1) Come in prepared. Studio time is expensive, and unless you're Pink Floyd and its the 70s, you don't have the luxury to compose on studio time. Never mind that it will piss the hell out of the engineer. 2) Practice to a click track at home, and get used to it as much as possible. If one doesn't have a good internal sense of rhythm from constant practice to a click, then making one sound professional either in recording to a click or not will be incredibly hard. 3) The engineer and/or producer knows how you sound, knows what it takes to make you sound pro, and in all likelihood knows a lot more about music and audio than you do. Listen to his suggestions, maybe follow them, and don't let your preconceptions or perception of your own talents cloud the reality of how others see you. This is all generalized, not at you specifically Jay. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 13:21
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Times are tough, so we had gotten a 6 hour session for a discount. We came in ultra-prepared to make a 3 song demo. One was a cover, the song we always close the set with, that literally only had 4 tracks...rhythm guitar, lead guitar, lead vox, background vox. It actually turned out best. We also had our two very well worked out originals, one of which I'd demo'd probably 4-5 times at home over the years. The other we had done a complete demo once and played live many times. Both were more layers but still simple in relative terms.
Background vocals took a bit because that was the one thing we didn't know absolutely 100% coming in what we were going to play. It was frustrating, but I also think the engineer appreciated very much that we had our stuff together overall and that we were both very comfortable playing to click.
We finished recording in about 4 1/2 hours but the mixing took again that long. Luckily the guy was cool and only charged us one extra hour for the time over. (They had told us over the phone that a simple 3 song demo was a reasonable goal, so this was a reasonable compromise).
As an acoustic band, getting good guitar tone is essential, and can be very hard. This guy just nailed that part. The bass parts also sound awesome. Not as happy with the vocals but I may ask him to take another crack at that.
The experience alone was phenomenal for a career hobbyist like myself. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 13:33
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It's good to come in with realistic expectations. The realism comes with more studio time and observing what can be done by an engineer behind the scenes. A lot of musicians with little studio time think they're really hot stuff and know what's good for the music, but they can forget an engineer works with audio for 8+ hours a day, then probably goes home to record for fun. They know things. I've seen bands come in for a 4 hour session and squander at least an hour of it by cracking jokes and messing around. Fine if that's what you want, but being pro is about going in with 6 songs practiced a ton of times at home, and getting them in time and sounding good in 4 hours. Not having 3 songs half-assed in the same time. I think if people realized this their sessions would be more fruitful. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 13:59
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I can't imagine nailing 6 songs in 4 hours unless it's all live in the studio without overdubs. I suppose if you're set up and just run 3 good takes with no overdubs it would be reasonable. I felt like we were pretty efficient...but again with acoustic guitars you want to live mic those and then you're automatically doing vocals and rhythm separately. We did our rhythm tracks simultaneously which I think helped give it some life. And I don't know how those engineers don't get major ear fatigue. My brain was fried listening for nuance just in the 3-4 hours of mixing we did, and he did all the work other than me nodding and making little suggestions here and there. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 14:03
It happened. Well, I'll be generous and say it could have been about 6 hours, but it was a band with an acoustic, mandolin, electric, and bass. Can't remember if drums... But theyse guys were all about 60 and obviously had their stuff together. No overdubs, but the takes were all pretty smooth going. After about 4 hours, ear fatigue sets in and things become muddy and the high end starts losing clarity. It's usually not a problem for simply tracking, but in mixing and hearing if things are in tune it becomes an issue. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 14:21
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A big deal is being able to nail a good take quickly. I can do that on rhythm guitar and bass pretty well now, you do the full take through for levels and then I'm pretty good. Our main singer was able to last night because of excitement, but he was better on the third song than the first to be sure. I sang on one song, and in my basement I might to 10 takes to finally get it because that's not my main thing. In the studio that was rough. People are watching you make your mistakes, you don't feel as confident, the good equipment really reveals your mistakes. It was just the opposite with the other guy's guitar.
At home I pretty much improvise solos until I'm happy, but this time I had my solo completely worked out. I was very glad I'd spent that time. I would have been freaking out trying to come up with something with the tape rolling. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 09:21
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This was the result of our session:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11378572" rel="nofollow - http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11378572
NOT PROG ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 02:30
| Oh by the way stonie, don't feel like you have to use those useless chords I sent you; VanVanVan found something to do with (at least a couple of) them |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 21:44
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I could play some flute for you. Let me know if you are interested in doing another project like this. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |