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Topic: In Held Twas In I & Procol Harum
Posted By: Marty McFly
Subject: In Held Twas In I & Procol Harum
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:16

Hello, just a quick question for you, better informed guys. This (one of the first, if not first) epic song is composed of several parts. The last one is where my question is targeted - it is rocky variation on some familiar tune, like Ode to Joy, or God Save the Queen I think, but cannot correctly pinpoint it.

Is it the UK anthem or something only similarly sounding ?



And bonus question - do they on their other albums have other songs worth of such a deep love as I held this one ? You know, if they did just this, then well-known-from-radio Whiter Shade (a classic) and then nothing ?



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:20
I think it is just similar to something.

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:27
The Grand Finale music was inspired/plagiarised from Haydn Minuet from Piano Sonata No 26 in A major (and the band admit it) - having heard both pieces, I think it only broadly similar.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:31
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

The Grand Finale music was inspired/plagiarised from Haydn Minuet from Piano Sonata No 26 in A major (and the band admit it) - having heard both pieces, I think it only broadly similar.

Interesting fact of the day.Approve


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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:33
Indeed ... still, the similarity with your hymn anthem is there. Any idea what band members (or writer/composer) said about

  that part ?


thanks



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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
   -Andyman1125 on Lulu



Even my cat believes that :-)


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:36
I don't think it is very similar really.

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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:37
Well, you know the original version of anthem far better than I do, my experience is mostly based on Queen's rendition :-) which, even rocky, isn't that much similar, OK.

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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
   -Andyman1125 on Lulu



Even my cat believes that :-)


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:38
They also quote from Tchaikovsky's Hamlet Overture somewhere else in the piece (a chimes/clock motif I think) but as Snow Dog says, I can't hear any obvious quote from the UK National Anthem (which is a dirge anyway IMO Dead)

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:43
There is a fleeting similarity on occasions. It's like it might become the national anthem but it doesn't. It's the correct notes but in the wrong order.

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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 09:35

Again, exactly! Both of you are right, I just wasn't able to summarize my thoughts on this subject. Great brainstorming guys.


Ahem, I was trying to search through almighty youtube, but no signs of this special sonata. There are others A - something and of course, other numbers, some of them in A major as well, but right this one ? No chance.



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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
   -Andyman1125 on Lulu



Even my cat believes that :-)


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 10:16
you might be interested in this song
if you like storys about trees this migh be of your interest, a deep tree story rooted in roots




also this song which to me represent an early attmpt at doom rock/metal, or atleast i think it is doomy metalish



the midle section of this song is massive





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Acting on your best behaviour

Turn your back on mother nature

Everybody wants to rule the world



Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 00:04
FYI - On Transatlantic's first album, they do a nice cover In Held Twas In I...



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