Equal Ratings: Genesis and Camel
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Topic: Equal Ratings: Genesis and Camel
Posted By: Epignosis
Subject: Equal Ratings: Genesis and Camel
Date Posted: February 25 2012 at 21:41
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Choose your preferred work.
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: February 25 2012 at 21:52
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I like "The Snow Goose" but I love "A Trick of the Tail".
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 25 2012 at 22:21
 A Trick Of The Tail I love the Snow Goose too. My favourite Camel album.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 25 2012 at 22:22
A Trick Of The Tail and it's not close. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Little Arabella
Date Posted: February 25 2012 at 23:33
| The Snow Goose |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: February 25 2012 at 23:37
| TotT all the way this time... |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 01:37
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I love trick of the tail but for me there is no contest , sorry. Snow goose for me!! |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 01:46
| Trick is meh. Snow Goose is great. |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 01:58
The other way around for me. I actually haven't listened to Trick for a year or so. I should, since at some point it was my favourite Genesis album. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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rupert wrote:Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 04:16
| Majestic albums. Voting for Camel. |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 04:21
| Two great albums. Really can't separate so no vote for me. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 04:37
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The Snow Goose ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 04:52
| The Snow Goose. |
Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 05:05
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I voted for Trick - a great album (only marginally spolit by the title track and Robbery, assault and battery). |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 05:10
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Posted By: foxyvol
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 06:13
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GENESIS!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 06:15
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 06:24
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There is obviously a problem with the rating system on this site.
Genesis ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 07:38
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 07:53
Some people just prefer I do love Camel but sometimes they do sound like elevator music to me.
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 08:31
| The Snow Goose for me, I only like a couple of songs from Trick. |
Posted By: Capt Fongsby
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 09:49
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A Trick of the Tail. Had it been pitted against Mirage or Moonmadness, on the other hand... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 10:54
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 10:59
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I prefer Snow Goose to Trick... but neither is a particular favourite. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 13:18
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I like these polls, because they do engender some positive and interesting debates. I vote for TOTT, which is unutterably brilliant. I played Snow Goose the other night, and the reason why this doesn't get my vote, as exceptional as it is, is because when I listen to it, it seeps out 1970's production and playing, whereas the Genesis album still sounds fresh and could easily have been produced now. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 13:34
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The Snow Goose is the only Camel album that manages not to put me asleep after 5 minutes. But still, Genesis. Even though TotT has "Robbery, Assault and Battery". And that song is....................... ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 13:38
| I think The Snow Goose would have been better if Camel were allowed to release it as they intended, but I still vote for it. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 13:47
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I love Robbery Assault and Battery, this is the first I have heard negative comments about it. Is it widely disliked then? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 13:51
I am a hipster to the max! ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 13:53
I don't really know what that means. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 13:56
It means he doesn't really know what he's talking about!
Anyway, I think I have heard negative comments re Robbery it may have just been from Mr Hip Here but there may be other lunatics out there!  ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 13:58
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From this very thread
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 14:19
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Well, I can't choose between those albums. They are both great.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 14:21
Exactly, as if any more evidence was needed? The Lunatic and his Lunacy or The Fellon and his Fellony. Whaat is wrong with this people?
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 14:23
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 14:23
Play some Camel. Voila! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 14:37
| ^ No, no I'm already familiar with Camel. Haven't heard much 70's elevator music though. Wasn't that sort of bossanova oriented? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 14:39
No idea ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 14:43
I'd like to know which elevators was he used to take...something like a stairway to heaven, I suppose...  ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 15:47
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The Snow Goose: 5 stars for me A Trick of the Tail: 4.5 ------------- 
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 16:04
| Snow goose is perfect to put me to sleep, and because i prefer to be awake to enjoy music, i will choose A Trick. Maybe Snow goose in superior in some level to A Trick, but i can't be aware of it, being in a deep sleep stage... |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 26 2012 at 16:48
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Oo toughie. A Trick. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 02:49
| Both very good albums, but after many years of listening, Snow Goose comes out as the best for me. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 04:19
| like i suspected in the begining when i casted my camel vote, 'trick' is gonna win! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 04:24
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Trick. No contest. The Snow Goose bores me. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 05:02
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I think that people who gets bored by the Snow Goose should have the same feelings with pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother that's the album that I think is more similar to it. On the other hand I'm usually bored by Genesis in general (except for The Lamb that I really like). Strange enough the fact that Camel can be seen as midway between Genesis and Floyd. Probably I don't catch the element which gives good feelings to the Genesis lovers and those who are bored by Snow Goose (and Atom) don't catch something else. The strangest thing is that this is probably the most Symphonic album released by Camel and the only one fully instrumental (except for the mute choir on side B) One comment about rdtprog's sentence: [QUOTE] goose is perfect to put me to sleep, and because i prefer to be awake to enjoy music [QUOTE] I consider good all the music that can make me sleep in strange positions and with headphones on. It means that it has taken control over my mind and my body. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 05:20
| ^^^ Perhaps, it is their sense of humour and drama that you have missed? I have heard Genesis described as stately by some of those who are not very fond of them and I have to wonder if that is because their sense of humour has missed its mark with such listeners? On the other hand, Camel sound dead serious to me. On Mirage, they really kick ass but by Snow Goose, they are trying to get symphonic, as you said, so even the one part about them that I liked is gone. They are not rocking anymore, just trying to put together meandering guitar-keyboard excursions that can be very pretty but sometimes not really hold my attention. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 05:45
Yes, I don't pay much attention to the lyrics if I'm not involved enough with music. About Camel, I'm with you about the first albums, only I add snow goose and moonmadness to the package. Plus consider Rajaz released in 99 that's very similar to those. Is there lack of rock on Snow Goose? maybe a bit on side B, but the guitar solo on Rhayader goes to town I think rocks enough. More than a technical reason for enjoying only one of the two in the poll, I think it's something more inconscious or subliminal. Camel hit my mind in a way that Genesis don't. I'm not English so when I want to follow the lyrics I need to pay some extra attention. I will retry with Genesis in this way as it's probably worth. As I have written before the only Genesis album that I like is "the lamb" and this is a concept album as well as Rutherford's "Smallcreep's Day" that for me is half of a masterpiece (the side long track). On the Camel side I suggest matching Snow Goose with Nimrodel. They give me similar sensations, then should you start liking it, I suggest giving a chance to Rajaz. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 05:51
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I like Rajaz though not as much as Mirage and a little more than Snow Goose or Moonmadness. So, yeah, I don't really dislike these albums either but I just happen to like Trick...a lot, lot more. And re Genesis, I am not sure it is just the lyrics. They are probably the most British of the popular prog rock bands from the 70s...their influences in music too are very British. JT, Yes, Camel all seem to have more elements of blues or jazz in their music compared to Genesis. So it depends whether one can relate to that. I know that it turns off some people and for some reason, it appeals to me though I am not British either. It is probably the way some people find Gentle Giant too goofy for their liking while it has never been a problem for me. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 05:59
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What you say is very interesting:In the PA forums I have read several times about the "Britishness" of Genesis, and being not British I have never understood really what it means. Probably is something similar to what a friend described to me when I made him listen to Gong's Angel's Egg, when Zero says "Hare Hare Supermarket...Hare Hare London Bus". Something popular but not folk as Phillips "Geese and the Ghost" may be. (another great album from a former Genesis member). The difference between Bitter Ales and Cider. Both are popular but only Cider is folk. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 06:04
Actually, you can trace some links to 'American' music in the case of Gong. They are very psychedelic and there are traces of fusion/jazz rock even in the Radio Gnome years. Allen was also supposed to have been influenced by Sun Ra. In the case of Genesis, I have heard references of Holst and Elgar in terms of their classical influences and they were supposed to have been influenced by other traditional British music as well. The only somewhat 'global' element I can readily detect in their music is the influence of Beatles and they are, yet, a British band. 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 06:07
| You would observe that compared to JT, Yes, Camel or ELP, there is not much improvisation in Genesis's music. It is all very tightly arranged and they don't seem to deviate much from the studio versions when they perform these tracks live either. That, once again, points to the absence of much American influence in their music. If they didn't have any electric guitar, they would sound even less like rock and even more British than they do already. |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 06:12
| Trick of a Tale. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 07:36
My friends dad used to have an old VHS tape of 70's German porn. Some of the soundtrack to that sounded like parts of the Snow Goose; apart from the groans, grunts and gasps obviously.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 07:42
Sounds like someone got the goose. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 09:17
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both are 4 star albums for me Snow Goose gets my vote ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: progprogprog
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 10:28
Just don't like Phils singing. ------------- Always thinking in extremes.That's my way to beat boredom. |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 12:23
I don't think it sounded remotely similar. Nor is it similiar to any elevator music. But of course, it's a matter of who is judging. Some people can draw comparisons between a piece of plastic and a diamond and say that it's very similar. But they are fundamentally different. It's a matter of telling the difference between fake and real.
For me the greatness of the album starts with track 3, Rhayader goes to town, and from there it's a series of great songs until track 12. After that there are reprises of themes which aren't that interesting, although I really like Fritha Alone, the minor key piano version.
The first song Rhayader (after the intro) sounds a little naive I think, I remember my sister saying that it sounded like a children orchestra or a childrens musical ... But it's an album with a fairy-tale like atmosphere and romantic style, it isn't rock'n roll. It's no use pretending that it is, or accusing it for not being so.
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 12:27
As in that I don't like the track that everybody else does. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 12:30
My point is that you are not alone. Several have made the same observation. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 12:35
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:( a hipster, no more ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 12:35
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 12:40
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 12:41
Are you sure you watched the same porn film?  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Trick of the lamb
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 13:55
| Hoped for a draw... |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 14:07
I was only imagining it.
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: February 27 2012 at 15:07
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A Trick of the Tail by a wide margin. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 18:44
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When I can vote: ATotT. -------------  
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:16
| Teh Goose |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: August 04 2012 at 22:40
| Genesis is my favorite band of all time, but The Snow Goose is my favorite album of all time. No matter how much I love ATotT, I'm voting Snow Goose!! |
Posted By: Ytse_Jam
Date Posted: August 05 2012 at 06:16
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: August 05 2012 at 07:24
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A Trick of the Tail. But I love The Snow Goose, too, especially the live version.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: August 05 2012 at 08:25
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Trick, but Snow Goose is excellent as well. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! http://www.last.fm/music/Exerior" rel="nofollow - EXERIOR Experimental tech/death/progmetal from Norway! |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 06 2012 at 19:19
| I guess Snowgoose. Even though not all the albums equally good, there's no part of it I don't like. There are several songs on A trick of the Tail that I do rather dislike. Though my preference for Camel would be more notable if it was Mirage on the contest... as a matter of fact, Mirage might just as well end up beating Selling England and Foxtrot in my taste (my favourite Genesis albums, but both manage to have some much more annoying songs than Mirage). Still, I guess I still prefer Genesis as a band. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 02:30
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It doesn't happen often, but I wouldn't know what to vote for. Both are important albums for both bands. |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 20:08
| Snow Goose, I only like the first and last tracks on a Trick. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 20:19
Unequivocally and without batting an eye.. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: August 08 2012 at 20:23
Same here ------------- To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica) |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 10 2012 at 05:03
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The Snow Goose is the best album ever recorded, end of story.
But you really won't appreciate it until you read Gallico's novella: only then will its genius become apparent.
Trick of the Tail is good but way off their glorious trilogy from Nursery Cryme to Selling England. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: PC Henry
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 07:40
| Always Snow Goose. |
Posted By: The Jester
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 08:22
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I love Genesis, but I'm not very fond of 'TOAT'. In the other hand, The Snow Goose was a very good record, and one of my most beloved from Camel. Especially in the live version on 'A Live record' is amazing! So, I'm voting for The Snow Goose... ------------- If anybody wants please visit: http://www.gfreedomathina.blogspot.com/ This is my Blog mostly about Rock music, but also a few other things as well. You are most welcome! Thank you. :) |
Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 10:16
| Snow Goose by far. Trick is probably my fave post Gabriel but this particular Camel album still sends shivers down my spine even after hundreds of plays. |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 10:19
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A Trick of the Tail most definitely gets my vote. I never cared much for Camel's The Snow Goose. Moonmadness was, for me, their best album. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: skorziks
Date Posted: August 26 2012 at 17:16
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TotT
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