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Topic: First time jazz metal
Posted By: Matt.i
Subject: First time jazz metal
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 21:24
Ive been really into avant garde jazz for awhile now and i know there are metal bands who implement these ideas into their music, but i dont know of any. Im really into using odd tones and ideas such as ambient conversation or nasty random emotional improvisation with strange instrumentation. If you guys could just give me some suggestions id be real glad. I am mainly into intense, difficult to understand, dynamic and composite music. Music you have to listen to ten times until youre like "ohh sh*t that makes sense!".

So dont hold back. Please :)

Also, and im guilty of this as well sometimes, but please suggest bands you think id like, and dont just repping your favorite. lol i know its hard



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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 21:40
You should try listening to Zu and Ephel Duath.

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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 21:48
Meshuggah.

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Posted By: Matt.i
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 21:58
Meshuggah was one of the bands i briefly looked into. I enjoyed the passages involving many polyrhythms with odd chords creating an ambience. I listen to alot of heavy heavy acoustic jazz involving skittery blast beats and hard hard swing. But i guess now im looking for really creative and different metal. I wish i could just describe it as jazzy, but thats a very vague term.


Posted By: Matt.i
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 22:16
Dude thanks guys i havent looked em up yet, but i will. I play drums so i have a pretty advanced sense of time.. Without sounding conceted. But i was recently asked to play bass in a friend of mines band. They listen to (from what i could tell) simpler stuff. I mentioned meshuggah and they dont really like them. But i really want to try and implement some weird stuff


Posted By: Matt.i
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 22:19
By the way i just realized i posted this under topics not related to music. Whoops


Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 22:34
I'll ask for it to be moved. Smile

Also, try Exivious. Not as intense or metally, but quite jazzy. Another suggestion might be Panzerballett, which is an awesome mix of both metal and jazz, and 1980, which is heavier on the djent side but has a nice jazz element as well.


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Posted By: Matt.i
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 22:49
Haha i just have to say... Prog archives is the place to come for advice. And thanl you. Ill look these all up tomorrow and probably write back on here


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 22:51
Shining?


Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: March 12 2012 at 11:28
Exivious if you love complex music ! They are amazing


Posted By: spknoevl
Date Posted: March 12 2012 at 12:00
There certainly were a number of avante garde jazzy moments on some of the 70s King Crimson albums.  Check out Starless and Bible Black or Red.

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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 12 2012 at 12:09

Panzerballet is a fusion trio with some metallic ideas. It's good modern fusion.

Ohm: is better, the first lead guitarist of Megadeth Chris Poland had actually been recruited out of a fusion band to play, and now that he's late middle age does a heavy fusion product that's really good. Their debut album is very good.

Ephel Duath's Painter's Pallette is the best example of fusing modern extreme metal with jazz in a true 50/50 split.

Cynic is hard to categorize, they are a death / space / jazz metal outfit that is just amazing in a sound that really is just their own. Their first album is more death-like, their newest is more ethereal. Their comeback, TRACED IN AIR, I count as one of the best albums ever made.

Toby Driver has many projects and this may be where you find what you're looking for. The first was a full band called Maudlin of the Well and this was actually a full band that Toby led. Now he works within a group called Kayo Dot that is really just a solo project with various helper musicians. This is about as avant as it gets. The first "Choirs of the Eye" and last "Gamma Knife" are the heaviest.

Tosin Abasi's new TRAM project is also amazing.

I could go on but that's probably enough for now.



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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 12 2012 at 18:14
Originally posted by spknoevl spknoevl wrote:

There certainly were a number of avante garde jazzy moments on some of the 70s King Crimson albums.  Check out Starless and Bible Black or Red.


lol metal what is that


Posted By: spknoevl
Date Posted: March 13 2012 at 10:17
I'd consider those 2 releases, Red especially, to have helped set the template for modern prog metal.  

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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 13 2012 at 11:03
Panzerballett and Morglbl are good places to start, for both the heaviness they introduce into their jazz rock  and the humour both bands have. Only yesterday, listening to Tony Williams Lifetime's 1969 recording Turn It Over and reminded of some early JR heaviness - which must had the jazz-purists then tearing their hair out. Jonas Hellborg Group's e** and the subsequent excellent albums by another heavy Hammond organ & bass band in the form of Niacin, may tick the box -  Elephant9 ditto. Johansson Brothers' albums Fission (with Mike Stern and Shawn Lane each on a couple of tracks) and Heavy Machinery (with Allan Holdsworth). And then of course there is the Canadian band Heavy Metal Jazz Concepts. And some of Mats Morgan Band's output e.g. Live.  Gongzilla - for instance with guest Gary Husband drumming on Thrive gives them a particularly heavy edge.  David Fuiczynski with and without the Screaming Headless Torsos has an original take on heaviness. Then there is the obscure British heavy jazz fusion band Network, that has fincluded some interesting guest players, e.g. Jan Hammer, Jack Bruce, Larry Coryell, Hugh Hopper,  across various of nearly 10 albums.
 
**Same band line up plus vocalist Gary Cooper, known as The Shining Path recorded No Other World, an interesting take on what jazz musicians can do when let loose on heavy death metal - check out the album's title track.


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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: March 13 2012 at 11:39
Free Form Funky Fregs ie. Jamaaladen Tacuma, Vernon Reid & G. Calvin Weston. Maybe too funk?


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 06:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqI-BVEk5ik&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqI-BVEk5ik&feature=related
A couple of  recordings voted as the best jazz rock fusion of the 90's, which also are both pretty heavy:
Hellborg Buckethead &Shrieve's acoustic jazz fusion album Octave of The Holy Innocents. Conrad Schrenk's Extravaganza's Save The Robots (imagine Steve Vai with jazz chords  with a  brass rock backing)........


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 07:40
Planet X album Quantum if your brain is not blown of you sculp by its complexity then maybe your eyes are bulging by its pure force, and your hair is blown of,  the song Alian Hip HIp gives you a healthy brain exersise


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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 08:46
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Planet X album Quantum if your brain is not blown of you sculp by its complexity then maybe your eyes are bulging by its pure force, and your hair is blown of,  the song Alian Hip HIp gives you a healthy brain exersise

Haha love it ! Quantum is amazing. Virgil Donati is mindblowing 


Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 13:32
Random Mullet! They use sax!
 
PA: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6718" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6718
 


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 13:50


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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 13:55


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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours


Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 14:00
I am surprised that miRthkon have not been brought up, I think they are pretty much exactly what you are looking for...

Check out this track, then check out their album "Vehicle" (also available for streaming on their bandcamp)

http://mirthkon.bandcamp.com/track/kharms-way" rel="nofollow - http://mirthkon.bandcamp.com/track/kharms-way

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24274" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24274


Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 21:45
Matraz is absolutelly seminal when considering jazz metal.

Fredrik Thirdendal`s Special Defects, despite being quite difficult to get one`s hands on, is possibly the best jazz metal album out there.


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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 00:06
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

You should try listening to Zu and Ephel Duath.

I loved Zu, util I saw them live in Israel. One hour of the strongest bass distortion. THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SHOW. When it ended my muscles felt tired like I've been working out, because everything was shaking. I still blame the new drummer. It's a shame, because Carboniferous is an absolutely outstanding album, I was just too traumatized to be able to listen to it again.


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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 09:58
Spastic Ink's 'ink complete'
Trevor Dunn's Trio-Convulsant  -  Debutantes & centipedes
John Zorn projects :
   under his name -
      Spy vs Spy
      The crucible
   and with Painkiller and Naked City
Praxis - Sacrifist
Ahleuchatistas - What you will
Doctor Nerve - Skin
Ruins - Refusal Fossile
 


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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 10:16
^ +1 on all of those, but particularly Trevor Dunn's trio, which is fantastic.

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 12:48
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:


Great album.


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Posted By: soundslikeorange
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 12:23
How about these:
 
Twisted Into Form
Spiral Architect (not jazzy, but complex for sure)
Blotted Science
Behold...The Arctopus (WHOA!)



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